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I think the reason I don't see Homer's Phobia as that bad is that it aired before I really had a concept of what "gay" was, other than it was very bad to be. I didn't know what it entailed, or why it was so bad, but was brought up to see it only as bad. Like, I didn't even understand the "He is a homo-", "Right?" "sexual." "AAAH!" joke, because I knew that little about what it meant. The episode didn't really teach me what being gay actually was, but it taught me that gay people were okay and being gay wasn't bad. It made me way more accepting of stuff like that, I think.poptart_fairy posted:I always liked the idea Smithers had zero sexuality, he was just unfathomably committed to this one ugly evil dude. "As you can see, the real deal with Waylon Smithers is that he's Mr. Burns' assistant. He's in his early forties, is unmarried, and currently resides in Springfield. Thanks for writing!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CknnUS2xqY8 This was another one where I didn't understand what gay was, but knew that there were boys who liked other boys, and Smithers liking a boy never seemed bad or anything, just sort of off from the norm, and that's about it. I'm not even going to begin to suggest that The Simpsons portrayed gays universally positively, because it's not really something I was looking for, but there are points that I think changed my learned fear of the concept of gayness.
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Mr. Burns was my favorite character as a kid along with Smithers. I never really understood why but I loved Mr. Burns.
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Pick posted:Mr. Burns was my favorite character as a kid along with Smithers. I never really understood why but I loved Mr. Burns. the writers really loved writing him so he's in a lot of great episodes and has a lot of great jokes
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Mar 15, 2018 15:07
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Yeah, I mean obviously Mr Burns is a poo poo person but he's a fantastic character so it's easy to see why he'd be someone's favorite
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Mar 15, 2018 16:01
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My favourite character was Mr. Snrub, I like the way he thinks!
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Mar 15, 2018 16:15
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Has Smithers even been shown as being in love with anyone except Mr Burns? They slowly turned him from being rather asexual, yet being in love with Burns, to an openly gay man, but he doesn't seem to ever date or hook up with anyone. SpacePig posted:I think the reason I don't see Homer's Phobia as that bad is that it aired before I really had a concept of what "gay" was, other than it was very bad to be. I didn't know what it entailed, or why it was so bad, but was brought up to see it only as bad. Like, I didn't even understand the "He is a homo-", "Right?" "sexual." "AAAH!" joke, because I knew that little about what it meant. The episode didn't really teach me what being gay actually was, but it taught me that gay people were okay and being gay wasn't bad. It made me way more accepting of stuff like that, I think. Same. I saw the episode way before I fully understood what being gay was, and I think it had a nice message of tolerance. John was a positive character that you could really root for, and even as a kid I knew Homer was ridiculous about being so upset about dancing with another man. Plus it gave me a great appreciation for kitschy stuff.
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as a gay guy who as a kid was always 'a little off' and who's dad never really understood or made peace with that Homer's Phobia probably was my favorite episode as a kid, it was both very funny and very grounded in the whole 'father has no clue what to do if his son is gay' thing. Also the "I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals fa-LAMING!" joke is literally one of my favorite simpsons lines.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Interestingly, later episodes have hinted Homer may be bisexual. (also possibly Grandpa) Say what now? The Bloop posted:Yeah, I mean obviously Mr Burns is a poo poo person but he's a fantastic character so it's easy to see why he'd be someone's favorite We basically elected him President.
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Smithers makes more sense if you imagine him as a woman. We may joke about women being attracted to rich and powerful men, but no one doubts their reasons. Smithers has a type and it's rich and evil.\BiggerBoat posted:We basically elected him President. Now wait a second, Burns has only ruined a couple of companies and put one town at mortal risk.
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Mar 15, 2018 17:30
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Trump hasn't tried to block out the sun...yet.
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Mar 15, 2018 17:34
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Why would he? Dude loves the sun. Stares right at it.
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"Since the beginning of time mankind has yearned to destroy the sun" will always be one of my favorite Simpson lines
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BiggerBoat posted:Say what now? In an episode in one of the teen seasons, I think, Homer fights with Marge and moves out of the house and is roommates with a couple of gay men. One of them kisses him, and his internal monologue hints that he enjoyed it. As for Grandpa, there's a lot more evidence that he's...well...something other than 100% cis and straight. He had a dream where he was the Queen of the Old West, and agreed that BOTH cowboys could marry him. He also admitted to wearing a dress for a period in the 40's (and maybe worked in a German Cabaret and seduced Hitler?) and sort of became a woman (?) when he forgot to take his medicine and agreed to go on a date with Jasper.
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DrBouvenstein posted:In an episode in one of the teen seasons, I think, Homer fights with Marge and moves out of the house and is roommates with a couple of gay men. One of them kisses him, and his internal monologue hints that he enjoyed it. Well, to be fair, who amongst us hasn't done any number of those things in our dreams?
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DrBouvenstein posted:sort of became a woman (?) when he forgot to take his medicine and agreed to go on a date with Jasper. That one was never really explained, but yeah, the family moved into witness protection without him, and his pills were still in the house when they left. He just... became a woman in the, like, week that they were gone. It never really made sense to me as a kid, and still kinda doesn't as an adult, but "Grampa may identify and present as male" make sense as a simplified explanation.
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Mar 15, 2018 18:28
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That atrocious Simpsons episode won an emmy over the Futurama episode about Seymour Asses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK3PWHxoT_E
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I always read it as an absurdist joke about old people's mysterious pills and how nobody really knows what they do and why they take them.
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Mar 15, 2018 18:29
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CommonShore posted:I always read it as an absurdist joke about old people's mysterious pills and how nobody really knows what they do and why they take them. Yeah, how is this not the joke? It's all absurdism that's not meant to be taken at face value. "Not so fast. I want to court this young maiden" is the cherry on that sundae.
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Hello, is this GBM?
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I don't really have a problem with "Homer's Phobia" . As someone who grew up with a parent who used to say that she would disown us if her children came out as gay ('m bi) I can relate and this is one of my favorite episodes. Also this introduced me to John Waters before I even knew who he was so I am forever grateful. And yeah homer did have a semi gay romantic ish relationship and kiss with a guy and there is an episode where homer officiates gay marriages and Patty is going to get married. Marge who was super against Homer's homophobia is now really uncomfortable with her sister being a lesbian. BUT! she finds out that her soon to be wife is actually a treasures and deceiving fake trans person who was actually a man who took hormones to win golf tournaments! ;(Marge catches them shaving and is super gleeful about how Patty is in for some trooouble.). My problem is the small homophobic moments he has after that episode that aren't played as "Homer is wrong and should feel bad and/or change" but "Haha of course he would be weirded out, by his son maybe being gay". And the thing that has aged badly is that all of the lesbians were always portrayed as super butch and the gay men as super effeminate. Sarcopenia has a new favorite as of 18:59 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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SEX BURRITO posted:Has Smithers even been shown as being in love with anyone except Mr Burns? They slowly turned him from being rather asexual, yet being in love with Burns, to an openly gay man, but he doesn't seem to ever date or hook up with anyone. That episode alone has the gag where Smithers catches John out with the Simpsons, and their dialog implies John canceled a date with him to go out with the family. I remember some people like myself having a theory that the episode of adult Lisa as the president had all these suggestions that adult Bart was now gay. Stuff like living with Ralph, who casually walks around naked in front of him, Flanders owing him for not outing Rod and Todd, telling Lisa to legalize "it", etc. But that could just be looking for representation where it isn't.
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"It" was probably pot.
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Not to mention, when you have roommates, you see them naked.
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SEX BURRITO posted:Has Smithers even been shown as being in love with anyone except Mr Burns? They slowly turned him from being rather asexual, yet being in love with Burns, to an openly gay man, but he doesn't seem to ever date or hook up with anyone. True love waits.
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I was caught off guard to this response on Match Game '74: The question was: "It was so cold on Treasure Island, the pirate threw his BLANK on the fire". There was not much of a response from the audience and Brett said she meant "bundle of sticks". There's no way she could have gotten away with this today.
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Phone posting but that always reminds me of a Kids in the Hall bit where Scott tries to figure out just what part of that word is so offensive (it was the “T”).
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Whilst we are posting irritating things about the Simpsons: I never liked what they did with Marge. I know her character is the hardest to write for, but she has never had any real character traits other than "wet blanket" and "conservative homemaker". I know they throw in a couple of jokes about how her entire identity is being a homemaker, (the Hank Scorpio episode where she loses her mind because she doesn't have to clean the house), but she never gets any character stuff or any sort of interesting storylines. Yes she had the episode where she was a real estate agent, and the one where in her absence the town falls to poo poo and is forced to buy a Jimmy Carter (?) statue, but these are blips, and at the end she is back Hmmm-ing her disapproval at anything fun, interesting, or that doesn't fall withing the strict boundaries of social niceties. A particular thing that shits me is in the episode where Homer stops going to church, she is fully committed to the idea that you don't have to believe it, or even pay attention, but by keeping up appearances and showing up on Sunday in your best clothes, God is appeased. And at the end of the episode when Homer is dragged back to church, this is considered a good thing. There is also her initial horror at her daughter becoming a vegetarian. Marge is the personification of a conservative housefrau and it annoys me, because they haven't even tried to do anything interesting with her.
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BrigadierSensible posted:There is also her initial horror at her daughter becoming a vegetarian. uh i watched lisa the vegetarian a few weeks ago and this didn't happen the most that happens is she's disappointed in lisa for ruining homer's barbeque and that was legit uncool on lisa's part marge is definitely an underserved character but she's still got some good episodes like the one where she becomes a cop or the one where she tries to keep up appearances after getting invited to a fancy country club
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An old housemate of mine once said "I loving hate Marge, I can't wait for her to die." She's pretty much just a buzzkill most of the time, yeah. That said her greater crime is forgiving Homer for all the bullshit he puts her through, loving divorce his rear end already.
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The worst is when Homer does a bad thing to start off the episode and then and the end Marge is the one who apologises, but that’s pretty much a sitcom staple.
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Marges character can be summed up n the scene where homer makes a mess and says marge will take care of it and she appears with cleaning supplies and says “it’s marges time to shine!”
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Sometimes it’s funny because it’s true. With Marge it’s unfunny because it’s true.
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There's something about Marge's commitment to blandness that I find very funny and sympathetic. I also love her voice and all of the weird vocal tics and growls the actress works into her lines.
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Randallteal posted:There's something about Marge's commitment to blandness that I find very funny and sympathetic. 
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Did someone say Kids in the Hall? Well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkDRZrZhE-Y
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CommonShore posted:Did someone say Kids in the Hall? I see that and raise you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN3oLwpEwus
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Mister Kingdom posted:I was caught off guard to this response on Match Game '74: King Crimson similarly finds it very awkward to explain a lyric from The Great Deceiver on Starless and Bible Black. "Robert Fripp's Diary posted:A recent [Fripp wrote this in 1998] book on gay references in rock songs referred to the line "health food human being" from The Great Deceiver. At the DGM Playback for "The Night Watch" (London 1997) I asked Richard Palmer-James, the lyricist for that and several other Crimson songs of the 1972-74 period, what he had meant. Richard had no gay reference in mind: his notion of "human being" was the health food version of a meatball. The insulting gay connotation only occurred to him later. A 2016 article on the same site about the making of the album doesn't even mention the line's contents at all, just "The Great Deceiver, newly emerged from the sessions at Air, contained a Fripp lyric about the clash of commercialism and religion, as well as Richard Palmer-James reference to falafel-making rather than any homophobic inference which some listeners mistook it to be."
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Marge was academic, artistic and political as a teenager, then gets knocked up by Homer and becomes a 'homemaker'. Traditional family roles aged badly.
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bitterandtwisted posted:Marge was academic, artistic and political as a teenager, then gets knocked up by Homer and becomes a 'homemaker'. Traditional family roles aged badly. Yeah, but that was pretty on par for when the Simpsons came to being. It's been a few years since I last watched it, but when Marge gets a job in season 4, it was played as pretty shocking. I know my mom had some college, but stayed home to take care of my brother and I during the 80's, and after I started school, she got a job where my brother could come along until he reached 1st grade (which would have been around 1992). I mean you're not wrong, the family roles aged badly, but The Simpsons are so far removed from reality these days that they're really unrelatable like they were in the 90's
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Iron Crowned posted:Yeah, but that was pretty on par for when the Simpsons came to being. I was the same - mother university educated, but we lived on my dad's salary. The show was true to the time. Compare to something more recent like Rick and Morty. The parents in both shows get married due to unexpected pregnancy, but now it would be weird for Jerry to be the breadwinner over the more educated Beth.
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