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the democrats want to suck the energy out of the room for people supporting medicare for all. even the disingenuous naming of medicare extra for all should tip you off
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democrats didn't kill the public option, connecticut for liebermaners killed the public option
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There is an interview of Adam Curtis in the comments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBy08P7tHPQ
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:democrats didn't kill the public option, connecticut for liebermaners killed the public option wtf. I thought you considered yourself left of center. here you are trotting our tired Obama talking points.
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it doesn't really have anything to do with whether the individual dems are good or are bad, but rather how the institutional apparatuses that under-gird democratic power are responding to the current political environment in other words, widespread m4a advocacy has forced mainstream dems to come up with a solid healthcare proposal. that's good.
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punk rebel ecks posted:There is an interview of Adam Curtis in the comments. Clicking Twitter in awful app now takes me to Twitter login screen. Cowards, I will never log in
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Dirk Pitt posted:wtf. I thought you considered yourself left of center. here you are trotting our tired Obama talking points. Man, it's almost as if his entire leftier-than-thou gimmick is a paper-thin attempt to distance himself from his history of smug centrism.
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GalacticAcid posted:it doesn't really have anything to do with whether the individual dems are good or are bad, but rather how the institutional apparatuses that under-gird democratic power are responding to the current political environment
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didn't Curtis essentially say the same stuff on Chapo? https://youtu.be/VW_R98EBO7s do you really want change or do you want people to just be a little nicer
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GalacticAcid posted:it doesn't really have anything to do with whether the individual dems are good or are bad, but rather how the institutional apparatuses that under-gird democratic power are responding to the current political environment yeah and this is the thread for making GBS threads on them for weaseling into a lovely third way "solution" not for backpatting their cowardice
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Mar 15, 2018 20:04
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dems are literally trying to co-opt and subvert the language of such otherwise easily understoom terms like "for all" and "universal" to mean not "for all" or "universal"
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The sanders m4a bill is just sitting there waiting to be loved but sure let's discuss Medicare Platinum Club Plus Arcade Edition or whatever the gently caress
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1) bernie gets elected president 2) ??? 3) the democrats pass all of his proposals
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Bernie must never be president. America must be destroyed.
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sanders is far and away the best person in congress and he'd be able to do some good things as president, like make progressive appointments in the executive and judiciary, and hopefully draw down our imperial commitments somewhat but i dont see how him being president helps pass m4a if you think the dems would oppose it
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GalacticAcid posted:1) bernie gets elected president
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GalacticAcid posted:sanders is far and away the best person in congress and he'd be able to do some good things as president, like make progressive appointments in the executive and judiciary, and hopefully draw down our imperial commitments somewhat The President, if he/she is anywhere near halfway competent (SEE: not Trump), gets an outsized amount of control over their party's agenda as its official leader. Unless centrist dems' corporate backers force a literal schism in the party, which is a distinct possibility (and possibly a best-case scenario in the long run), President Sanders gets a large amount of influence over what bills make it to the floor. Expanding on that parenthetical, I think it would be a good outcome by 2030 or so if the Republicans dissolve into a fringe fascist movement and the new mainstream left/right divide is populist progressives versus corporatist centrists, IE what it looks like in most of Europe
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GalacticAcid posted:sanders is far and away the best person in congress and he'd be able to do some good things as president, like make progressive appointments in the executive and judiciary, and hopefully draw down our imperial commitments somewhat nobody brought up bernie (or him being president) until you did in this particular context
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lmao if Bernie becomes president you'd be a dumb bitch to get in his way, straight up
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Gunshow Poophole posted:nobody brought up bernie until you did in this particular context i did tho
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GalacticAcid posted:in other words, widespread m4a advocacy has forced mainstream dems to come up with a solid healthcare proposal. that's good. idk, I think medicare extra is pretty lovely. It's better then obamacare, but literally anything is.
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GalacticAcid posted:1) bernie gets elected president
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GalacticAcid posted:1) bernie gets elected president
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This one is good too.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:idk, I think medicare extra is pretty lovely. It's better then obamacare, but literally anything is. if you have an in-depth critique of it i'll read it, but as it stands the whole point of PPP was to hold mainline liberal think tanks to account and the fact that they seem open to it both 1) takes me by surprise and 2) makes me think the proposal is worth considering
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one of the big reasons the public option failed was Obama was a humongous ineffective coward wrt making sure it was included. Bernie wouldn't do that. this is getting pretty close to concern trolling.
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If there really is a blue wave and berno has bigly coattails in 2020, hell have his 60 votes and won't be a giant pussy about it. Hell use the gently caress out of the bully pulpit and I'm glad for it.
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Matt Zerella posted:one of the big reasons the public option failed was Obama was a humongous ineffective coward wrt making sure it was included. Bernie wouldn't do that. Bernie would gleefully poo poo on any theoretical people holding up UHC and point out how they're enabling the continuing unnecessary death of uncovered people Basically what he does right now only the media is hanging onto every word because he's POTUS Matt Zerella posted:If there really is a blue wave and berno has bigly coattails in 2020, hell have his 60 votes and won't be a giant pussy about it. Hell use the gently caress out of the bully pulpit and I'm glad for it. yeah
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Bernie will get rid of term limits and purge all reactionary thought from DC when he is president
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post more good dems https://twitter.com/AbdulElSayed/status/974283074409320448
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Then he will replace Obamacare with Medicare extra, confusing everyone
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honestly I don't care what breunig says about Amazon Medicare Prime. it has Neera tandems fingerprints on it which means there's no way it's good.
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Workers hopefully plunge the entire Amazon brand into strikes
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Chucktesla posted:Bernie will get rid of term limits and purge all reactionary thought from DC when he is president bernie will consume the spice, fuse with the great worm, and rule over earth as its god emperor for millenia
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Homeless Friend posted:
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Matt Zerella posted:honestly I don't care what breunig says about Amazon Medicare Prime. it has Neera tandems fingerprints on it which means there's no way it's good. tbh i think a huge reason this proposal has any weight is they're scared of full medicare-for-all and they'd rather give a three-quarters measure they can take credit for than lose. they're scrambling to have their names on something.
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Obama didn't try to use the bully pulpit bc he was all about decorum and half assed corporate handout policies are what he wanted, Bernie will call for bad Dems heads
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Matt Zerella posted:one of the big reasons the public option failed was Obama was a humongous ineffective coward wrt making sure it was included. Bernie wouldn't do that. another one of the big reasons the public option failed was because Obama let insurance lobbyists write the bill because he was more concerned about having industry buy-in than he was about getting people covered
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