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Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

ReidRansom posted:

^^^e: That is a terrible system.


It really is! Also there are a few bars nearby that are basically allowed to never close, because fifty years ago there were factories in the area and they had special licenses to accommodate shift workers. The factories are long gone, but the 24 hour dive bars remain.

Anyway, apparently Walgreen's is doing away with the booze section, at least at the location by me.

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Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
Wyoming is a strange place where liquor licenses are limited and acquiring one is usually a transaction made between two private parties for thousands of dollars and drive-thru liquor stores.

I remember the gas station I used to work at where tourists would try to buy there, complain that the town was dry, and I'd point to three different liquor stores across the street.

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.
In North Carolina, you can't buy hard alcohol at normal retail stores. You have to go to the "ABC" store, run by the NC Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission (https://abc.nc.gov/). Most grocery stores, drug stores and gas stations can sell beer and wine, and even then only during certain hours (no sales on Sunday before noon or all day, not sure which, as I am not a drinker).

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Growing up in California and living in Washington has absolutely spoiled me on being able to buy whatever I want, whenever I want to. The concept of separating liquor is so dumb, just sell it all in the same place. Who the gently caress cares, sell weed at a Circle K, we have bigger problems to deal with.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

anonumos posted:

In North Carolina, you can't buy hard alcohol at normal retail stores. You have to go to the "ABC" store, run by the NC Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission (https://abc.nc.gov/). Most grocery stores, drug stores and gas stations can sell beer and wine, and even then only during certain hours (no sales on Sunday before noon or all day, not sure which, as I am not a drinker).

That's what South Carolina is like too, and I think quite a few other states. Oregon amuses me because all the liquor is actually literally owned by the state agency and private liquor stores just get contracts to sell it on behalf of the state.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Crow Jane posted:

Even on the city or town. The Rite Aid by me sells all sorts of booze, but it's the only one in the area that does, because liquor licenses come with the address here (and are otherwise difficult to acquire) and I think the space was a bar at some point. The new owners decided to keep it going, because there are a lot of drunks in the area and they smelled revenue.

In Massachusetts there's a super low cap of liquor licenses per owner (like 5 total), so most chain stores don't have alcohol.


Wegmans does, but Wegmans 9nly has a handful of stores

It's a real boom for standalone liquor stores though.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Growing up in California and living in Washington has absolutely spoiled me on being able to buy whatever I want, whenever I want to. The concept of separating liquor is so dumb, just sell it all in the same place. Who the gently caress cares, sell weed at a Circle K, we have bigger problems to deal with.

Altria/Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds are probably getting ready for that line of business once marijuana is legalized. You very well could see a weed section next to the cigarettes.

eyebeem
Jul 18, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Growing up in California and living in Washington has absolutely spoiled me on being able to buy whatever I want, whenever I want to. The concept of separating liquor is so dumb, just sell it all in the same place. Who the gently caress cares, sell weed at a Circle K, we have bigger problems to deal with.

Same. I’ve always lived in California and have been surprised a few times during travel by not being able to buy booze. It’s such a crazy, foreign concept to me.

I can buy hard liquor 24 hours per day at the CVS by my house.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
I don’t know what they think they’re solving anyway. People just stockpile alcohol.

Ganson
Jul 13, 2007
I know where the electrical tape is!
Rite Aids death spiral started with them buying Brooks Eckerd (though not paying their contractors and getting sued 6 ways to sunday and tanking their stock before that didn't help). I was on that project, worked out great for me but not so great for the balance sheet. I'm convinced the whole merger was a flimsy pretext for a bunch of execs to buy the <$1 stock (that was constantly in danger of getting delisted) for a pump and dump.

I knew it was time to get out when they yanked the coffee pots out of the break rooms and put in paid coffee dispensers (they were a weird precursor to k-cups that came in what looked like small capri sun bags you'd hook to the heater). Don't gently caress with tech people and coffee you mongs.

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Ganson posted:

I knew it was time to get out when they yanked the coffee pots out of the break rooms and put in paid coffee dispensers (they were a weird precursor to k-cups that came in what looked like small capri sun bags you'd hook to the heater). Don't gently caress with tech people and coffee you mongs.

I'd become very worried about any software shop that stopped providing go juice to the keyboard jockeys. That's outright sabotage.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

anonumos posted:

In North Carolina, you can't buy hard alcohol at normal retail stores. You have to go to the "ABC" store, run by the NC Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission (https://abc.nc.gov/). Most grocery stores, drug stores and gas stations can sell beer and wine, and even then only during certain hours (no sales on Sunday before noon or all day, not sure which, as I am not a drinker).
Literally the only thing socialists and Republicans agree on in Virginia is that there's no reason for the state to run a liquor monopoly. I'm not aware of any evidence that it reduces alcohol abuse and its concomitant problems.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Halloween Jack posted:

Literally the only thing socialists and Republicans agree on in Virginia is that there's no reason for the state to run a liquor monopoly. I'm not aware of any evidence that it reduces alcohol abuse and its concomitant problems.

Buddy it's not about reducing alcohol abuse, it's about accruing a whole bunch of money for the government, and that's a good thing. That's the same sort of reason that nearly all other similar government monopolies exist. If I remember right, the Italian government at least used to have a monopoly on distribution for nearly all tobacco coming into or being grown in the country and it was a major government cash cow.


Edit: Like most of the US's state monopolies for alcohol sales were originated in the laws that implemented the end of prohibition in each state. It was wholly intentional in those laws, nearly always being written int he midst of the Great Depression after all, to supply much needed revenue.

fishmech fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 15, 2018

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

I'll miss TRU. drat shame.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Cheesus posted:

I don't have a lot of pity for Toys R Us. They did a spectacular job at not selling toys.

Back in 1995, Kenner/Hasbro re-launched the Star Wars action figure line that had run from 1978-1985. It was a huge success with so many 20 year old nerds like myself liking the product and having disposable income. Hasbro quickly realized the had a license to print money and produced the poo poo out of those figures. Like 7-10 new figures at $5-$8 each every quarter or so. Wal-mart and Target were completely on board and regularly (like every 2-3 weeks) got new product in. Living in the metro Denver area from 1995-2012 and having access to 3-4 Toys R Us stores regularly in that timeframe, I'd say the average store only received new product every 6-8 weeks. All stores would have empty shelve space for months at a time.

That's just failing basic retailing at a fundamental level to say nothing about ignoring this "collector customer" group (which went beyond just Star Wars). To be fair, a minor portion of "collectors" were (and still are) assholes, but anyone with an ounce of business acumen would have asked, "How can we extract the maximum amount of money from these guys?" and at least tried to do things like special orders, pre-orders, etc. and could have created a brand loyalty beyond parents and grandparents.

Good riddance, Toys R Us.

I worked for TRU for several years. If your store was anything like my store, then they got plenty of stock but collectors and resellers got chummy with the merchandisers and bought all the sealed boxes the moment they came off the trucks.

We used to have these hot wheels guys that would come in every tuesday morning and buy all the rare stuff, same with the phantom menace toys and whatever else was hot.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Went to TRU to use a gift card we had, the place was pretty busy, I guess everyone else was doing the same thing. Lotta neckbeards buying Pokémon cards too.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Anything that makes adult colectors of kid's toys mad is good in my books. Kids should't have to compete with manchildren over action figures and lego sets. I knew this kid in school growing up who's dad was a serious lego collector, he'd buy 3 of every kit, 2 for the vault and one for daddy to build and display and maybe let his kids help. Toys are for playing with, not building equity.

big trivia FAIL
May 9, 2003

"Jorge wants to be hardcore,
but his mom won't let him"

Baronjutter posted:

Anything that makes adult colectors of kid's toys mad is good in my books. Kids should't have to compete with manchildren over action figures and lego sets. I knew this kid in school growing up who's dad was a serious lego collector, he'd buy 3 of every kit, 2 for the vault and one for daddy to build and display and maybe let his kids help. Toys are for playing with, not building equity.

a good post and correct take.

leave the toys for the kids you fucks

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Baronjutter posted:

Anything that makes adult colectors of kid's toys mad is good in my books. Kids should't have to compete with manchildren over action figures and lego sets. I knew this kid in school growing up who's dad was a serious lego collector, he'd buy 3 of every kit, 2 for the vault and one for daddy to build and display and maybe let his kids help. Toys are for playing with, not building equity.
How does such a man even have kids

My friend's dad drove his wife crazy by playing The Campaign for North Africa across the entire living room for weeks, but that's not a kid's game.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Halloween Jack posted:

How does such a man even have kids

My friend's dad drove his wife crazy by playing The Campaign for North Africa across the entire living room for weeks, but that's not a kid's game.

My other's friend's dad was a comic book artist who's house had nearly ever wall covered with glass display cabinets FULL of action figures and rare toys and comics from around the world and no you could not touch any of them.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Baronjutter posted:

My other's friend's dad was a comic book artist who's house had nearly ever wall covered with glass display cabinets FULL of action figures and rare toys and comics from around the world and no you could not touch any of them.

If he was a real comic book artist this is at least a little forgivable.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Baronjutter posted:

Anything that makes adult colectors of kid's toys mad is good in my books. Kids should't have to compete with manchildren over action figures and lego sets. I knew this kid in school growing up who's dad was a serious lego collector, he'd buy 3 of every kit, 2 for the vault and one for daddy to build and display and maybe let his kids help. Toys are for playing with, not building equity.


big trivia FAIL posted:

a good post and correct take.

leave the toys for the kids you fucks


Uh, the store wasn't retocking on a timely basis for anyone though, so how the hell does that help the kids? If anything it just made things worse for the kids because the weird adults are still buying things up but there's not anything left over for a kid.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

fishmech posted:

Uh, the store wasn't retocking on a timely basis for anyone though, so how the hell does that help the kids? If anything it just made things worse for the kids because the weird adults are still buying things up but there's not anything left over for a kid.

Yes, that's bad, I don't think they were arguing otherwise. Collectors dealing with merchandisers directly is poo poo, and collectors buying large amounts of toys is also poo poo.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Baronjutter posted:

Anything that makes adult colectors of kid's toys mad is good in my books. Kids should't have to compete with manchildren over action figures and lego sets. I knew this kid in school growing up who's dad was a serious lego collector, he'd buy 3 of every kit, 2 for the vault and one for daddy to build and display and maybe let his kids help. Toys are for playing with, not building equity.

This is 100% the correct take.

I've done off and on mass production collecting for years. Every so often I flea market out stuff I don't want anymore. Every time a kid comes and looks at my stuff (and isn't bratty af to their parents), I'll cut the parent a really good deal. I sold a number of full BAF sets of Marvel Legends (still in package) for like $3-5/figure (on sets I could probably get $20-30/figure) simply because I'd rather someone enjoy these things and take them out and play with them than let them just collect dust for eternity.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Baronjutter posted:

Anything that makes adult colectors of kid's toys mad is good in my books. Kids should't have to compete with manchildren over action figures and lego sets. I knew this kid in school growing up who's dad was a serious lego collector, he'd buy 3 of every kit, 2 for the vault and one for daddy to build and display and maybe let his kids help. Toys are for playing with, not building equity.

My mom knew all of the Hot Wheels Creeps when she worked at TRU. They’d come in and hide rare cars to buy later and she would always undo their work.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

State controlled liquor monopolies are a fascinating glimpse of what greater government control over the commercial sector could look like in a socialist economy. The results are mixed, for example in Ontario the govt liquor distributor is the LCBO and provides a selection and prices that compare favorably anywhere I've been in the US. Somehow the LCBO generally provides a wider selection of beers than the provincial Beer Store, which until recently strove for the "depressing warehouse" shopping experience.

On the subject of this thread I'm surprised that Amazon can't sell liquor online in my current jurisdiction (NY state), it's exactly the sort of mass-produced non-perishable commodity where they should be able to destroy conventional retail. There are of course other online distributors that deliver here but they are somehow more expensive than the stores.

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Nocturtle posted:

State controlled liquor monopolies are a fascinating glimpse of what greater government control over the commercial sector could look like in a socialist economy. The results are mixed, for example in Ontario the govt liquor distributor is the LCBO and provides a selection and prices that compare favorably anywhere I've been in the US. Somehow the LCBO generally provides a wider selection of beers than the provincial Beer Store, which until recently strove for the "depressing warehouse" shopping experience.

On the subject of this thread I'm surprised that Amazon can't sell liquor online in my current jurisdiction (NY state), it's exactly the sort of mass-produced non-perishable commodity where they should be able to destroy conventional retail. There are of course other online distributors that deliver here but they are somehow more expensive than the stores.

state owned liquor monopolies suck balls and exactly the argument against state ownership of industries

that said the alcohol market in the us is hosed up and already oligopolistic and has a bunch of lovely laws that prevent real competition

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Malcolm XML posted:

state owned liquor monopolies suck balls and exactly the argument against state ownership of industries

that said the alcohol market in the us is hosed up and already oligopolistic and has a bunch of lovely laws that prevent real competition

there really shouldn't be competition when it comes to regulation of vices, they should be taxed to the extreme for social good

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

boner confessor posted:

there really shouldn't be competition when it comes to regulation of vices, they should be taxed to the extreme for social good

Nah, I'd like my liquor to remain cheap.

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.
Yam Slacker

FCKGW posted:

I worked for TRU for several years. If your store was anything like my store, then they got plenty of stock but collectors and resellers got chummy with the merchandisers and bought all the sealed boxes the moment they came off the trucks.
I'd heard of this happening but it begs the question: Why wouldn't the company roll with this? Let folks buy full cases of action figures or cars (and severely limit or even refuse returns on them) and maybe even work with the manufacturers to come up with collector friendly case assortments...and order more product for the store shelves? Then non-neckbeards could buy and enjoy too. And the store makes money out of the whole deal.

It seems like the classic Michael Scott Win-Win-Win strategy to me.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Remember how all the idiots in Washington State voted to abolish their state liquor monopoly in 2012 and the prices are now higher by quite a bit more than inflation alone?

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord
I was thinking back to the last time I stepped inside a TRU, which would've been maybe 2005 or so, they were still trying to push the Sega 32X add-on console. Without a Sega Genesis to pair it with, of course. They had like a dozen of them on an end-stand.

Now I'm thinking what are the chances my old TRU will still have some old games? Maybe not 90's era, but if they had any ps2 games laying around I'd love to sift through them.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!
Add Winn-Dixie to the "hosed" list

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/15/news/companies/winn-dixie-bankruptcy/index.html

Ziv Zulander
Mar 24, 2017

ZZ for short


fishmech posted:

Remember how all the idiots in Washington State voted to abolish their state liquor monopoly in 2012 and the prices are now higher by quite a bit more than inflation alone?

I remember voting against that :(

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Cheesus posted:

I'd heard of this happening but it begs the question: Why wouldn't the company roll with this? Let folks buy full cases of action figures or cars (and severely limit or even refuse returns on them) and maybe even work with the manufacturers to come up with collector friendly case assortments...and order more product for the store shelves? Then non-neckbeards could buy and enjoy too. And the store makes money out of the whole deal.

It seems like the classic Michael Scott Win-Win-Win strategy to me.

They're buying the full cases for the rare stuff. If you then just put more rare stuff out then they buy that too.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

Bit late there, we found out about that weeks ago. They are shedding unprofitable stores after aquiring a poo poo load of them from Food Lion just a few years prior. My dad's store is not closing, he gets to hang on to healthcare until mom can get Medicare later this year.

Origin
Feb 15, 2006

http://www.concordmonitor.com/Official-State-s-liquor-stores-ignore-suspicious-purchases-15621864

Here in my state of New Hampshire there is a brewing controversy that the state-run liquor stores are involved in some shady dealings.

Stretch Marx
Apr 29, 2008

I'm ok with this.

Fame Douglas posted:

Nah, I'd like my liquor to remain cheap.

And this is partly why your country is so hosed up.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

boner confessor posted:

there really shouldn't be competition when it comes to regulation of vices, they should be taxed to the extreme for social good

This can happen whether the government has a monopoly on retail sale of alcohol or not, and besides, the biggest advantage I've seen from private liquor stores isn't making it easier or cheaper to get hosed up, it's high-end stores that focus on offering a wide selection of stuff that would be expensive under any tax regime.

The provincial liquor monopoly in BC still sells Bright's Pale Dry Select, Canada's favourite bumwine, but their selection of wines or spirits that a human being would actually enjoy drinking for the taste is poo poo compared to what we can find in Alberta.

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eyebeem
Jul 18, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Stretch Marx posted:

And this is partly why your country is so hosed up.

It’s uh...

It’s pretty drat far down the list.

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