Senor P. posted:

To give Rex a break he was doing what the CEO of all the other major corporations do. Which is to get people to buy more product.

I do not buy the argument that people are willfully ignorant of their consumption's effect on the environment.
(One does not have to be a Chemical Engineer to figure some of this poo poo out.)

But hey, Exxon Mobil is bad, they lied. (Most companies do, surprise surprise.)

Let's blame them for everything, and you know not hold our selves responsible for our own consumption or inaction.

Look at something like single use plastic which is pretty well known how it effects the environment. Guess what? People still use it, and ignore the problem at a local, national, and global scale.

Or what about over-fishing through out the world's ocean?

This poo poo ain't rocket science, it is literally meeting the definition of "Tragedy of the Commons".

Senor P. posted:

To give Rex a break he was doing what the CEO of all the other major corporations do. Which is to get people to buy more product.

I do not buy the argument that people are willfully ignorant of their consumption's effect on the environment.
(One does not have to be a Chemical Engineer to figure some of this poo poo out.)

But hey, Exxon Mobil is bad, they lied. (Most companies do, surprise surprise.)

Let's blame them for everything, and you know not hold our selves responsible for our own consumption or inaction.

Look at something like single use plastic which is pretty well known how it effects the environment. Guess what? People still use it, and ignore the problem at a local, national, and global scale.

Or what about over-fishing through out the world's ocean?

This poo poo ain't rocket science, it is literally meeting the definition of "Tragedy of the Commons".

Senor P. posted:

To give Rex a break he was doing what the CEO of all the other major corporations do. Which is to get people to buy more product.

I do not buy the argument that people are willfully ignorant of their consumption's effect on the environment.
(One does not have to be a Chemical Engineer to figure some of this poo poo out.)

But hey, Exxon Mobil is bad, they lied. (Most companies do, surprise surprise.)

Let's blame them for everything, and you know not hold our selves responsible for our own consumption or inaction.

Look at something like single use plastic which is pretty well known how it effects the environment. Guess what? People still use it, and ignore the problem at a local, national, and global scale.

Or what about over-fishing through out the world's ocean?

This poo poo ain't rocket science, it is literally meeting the definition of "Tragedy of the Commons".

Polio Vax Scene posted:

Making decisions that ensure the end of the lifespan of civilization conflicts with operating a business as a going concern

Senor P. posted:

Let's blame them for everything, and you know not hold our selves responsible for our own consumption or inaction.

Hello Sailor posted:

Was anyone actually saying that blame is either 100% the fault of one entity or 100% the fault of "everyone" or did you come to that conclusion yourself?

Arglebargle III posted:

It's weird seeing all the serious frowning faces on cable news talking about Tillerson being humiliated when you remember that he should be put up against a wall and shot along with the rest of the Exxon executive suite.

StabbinHobo posted:

buried neck deep in a compost heap with a water bottle drip feed just above his head aimed at the top of his forhead

Rap Record Hoarder posted:

Because leaving it made his job as Secretary of State harder, not because he cares. The dude spent the last thirty years denying climate change, burying evidence of it, and funding climate change denial science.

Arglebargle III posted:

I think in not even 100 years posterity will agree with me. Rex Tillerson has spent his life making conscious decisions to trade profit now for millions of lives in the future. Exxon has known the general outline of the worst case scenario since the 1970s.

Senor P. posted:

The posts certainly seem to imply Exxon Mobil and Rex in particular are the fall boy's for global warming.
Zero mention of the other super majors: Chevron, Shell, BP, Total or their respective CEOs.

quote:

So are you saying capitalism and consumption is not to blame?

quote:

The oil industry has been around since the 1920s, anyone who's worked in it can tell you there is nothing "clean" about crude oil or refineries and there are serious health concerns on getting exposed to any number of chemicals.

So again screaming "Exxon hid the facts." I would have called people stupid for believing them in the first place.

StabbinHobo posted:

hey you loving braindead rear end in a top hat we were talking about him because he just got fired as sec state not because we were trying to brainstorm the authoritative index of people and things to blame sorted by carbichlorian blame-o-watt count
100% of the time an argument starts with "So are you saying...." the person is wholesale pulling made up bullshit out of their rear end and flinging it around in other peoples faces. gently caress you, you dumb screeching poo poo flinging monkey.
yes it is the victims who are really to blame after all

Senor P. posted:

Let's take a look at the previous posts...




The posts certainly seem to imply Exxon Mobil and Rex in particular are the fall boy's for global warming.
Zero mention of the other super majors: Chevron, Shell, BP, Total or their respective CEOs.

So are you saying capitalism and consumption is not to blame?

The oil industry has been around since the 1920s, anyone who's worked in it can tell you there is nothing "clean" about crude oil or refineries and there are serious health concerns on getting exposed to any number of chemicals.

So again screaming "Exxon hid the facts." I would have called people stupid for believing them in the first place.

Senor P. posted:

So are you saying capitalism and consumption is not to blame?

quote:

So again screaming "Exxon hid the facts." I would have called people stupid for believing them in the first place.

Senor P. posted:

Ok let me try this phrasing this another way since using Southern drawl apparently offends your fine mannerisms.

Conspiratiorist posted:

This is the weirdest hill I've seen anyone ITT choose to die on, and I remember Arkane.

Minge Binge posted:

I have a feeling that Senor P. is STEM that works in some way for resource extraction. These arguments are often used by nervous fucks trying to defend their opulent lifestyle that's been built on the destruction of the biosphere.

Conspiratiorist posted:

This is the weirdest hill I've seen anyone ITT choose to die on, and I remember Arkane.

Arglebargle III posted:

Ban cows

VideoGameVet posted:

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Is this like... half dilbert, half achewood? Somehow?

call to action posted:

So what's happening in the Arctic? Looks like some minor rebounding, that's hopeful.

call to action posted:

So what's happening in the Arctic? Looks like some minor rebounding, that's hopeful.

froglet posted:

https://m.phys.org/news/2018-03-permafrost-methane.html

Compost bomb going off, we're hosed.

I'm just so angry. Ten and twenty years ago I was still in school. I didn't get any say in this.

I remember doing a school project when I was 10 about how we need to move away from coal so we don't kill the planet. When i got distressed about it and told my parents, they pet me on the head and told me it was all going to be okay and we need coal because bullshit grown up reasons.

Well, it's not okay.

Arglebargle III posted:

Huh I guess we really are all gonna die.

Conspiratiorist posted:

What's 60 gigatons anyway, like 10% of our carbon budget for <2°C?

Conspiratiorist posted:

What's 60 gigatons anyway, like 10% of our carbon budget for <2°C?

The Daily Beast posted:

San Francisco, Oakland, four other California cities, and several counties have sued half a dozen oil companies for damages they are suffering, and will suffer more in the future, from rising sea levels. Sea level rise is caused by the melting of polar ice caps and the expansion of water when it is warmed, both triggered by global warming.

...

According to Chevron, there are so many contributors to climate change that “anyone in the world could be brought in in the case, including the plaintiffs themselves.” Sure, fossil fuel companies do their part, but so do a lot of other people. So, they say, you can’t pin this on us.

froglet posted:

https://m.phys.org/news/2018-03-permafrost-methane.html

Compost bomb going off, we're hosed.

I'm just so angry. Ten and twenty years ago I was still in school. I didn't get any say in this.

I remember doing a school project when I was 10 about how we need to move away from coal so we don't kill the planet. When i got distressed about it and told my parents, they pet me on the head and told me it was all going to be okay and we need coal because bullshit grown up reasons.

Well, it's not okay.

Thug Lessons posted:

Not particularly meaningful. They're projecting "1 gigaton of methane and 37 gigatons of carbon dioxide by 2100", i.e., about one or two years worth of anthropogenic emissions. Most people don't realize this because they keep reading news reports instead of EPA, IPCC and Nature studies but the Arctic permafrost is not expected to emit much.