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Postess with the Mostest posted:If you want to argue with Peterson people, don't get trapped trying to prove that there's infinite genders (there's not), the irreconcilable argument is almost always whether equality of outcome is better or worse than equality of opportunity. One of Peterson's actual positions is that equity is bad for society, that comes up all the time. As defined in the ETFO teacher social justice handbook This pie metaphor is pretty lovely because it assumes equal slices of pie to begin with, in a situation where everything else is equal, so of course in that situation everyone jumps to the obvious solution of "everyone should have equal pie". A more apt metaphor would be that one kid in class already has a whole pie because his dad sent him to school with it, two other kids each have half a pie because a different teacher likes them and gave it to them earlier, and five other kids didn't get to eat breakfast this morning. In comes the teacher with a new pie. The kid who is currently holding an entire pie then bitches and moans because the teacher asks the class whether the five kids who didn't eat breakfast should get bigger pieces of pie than him even though no matter what happens he will still end up with the most pie of any student, and in the end to avoid controversy the teacher gives everyone an equal slice of pie. The principal passes in the hallway, dragging a cart with twenty pies that he bought with school funds and is now putting in his car to take home for later. Eventually he throws fifteen of them in the garbage because it turns out he just couldn't eat that much pie.
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Regressive taxes that disproportionate hurt the poor by increasing their transportation costs are bullshit. The rich guy has no problem with the extra 20 or 50 bucks a month. The poor guy gets even more in debt. Many poor people cant rely on public transportation! If you dont live in one of the major 5 cities in this country, your PT is poo poo, and often wont even run in the hours that you have to be at work for your poo poo jobs! So they are stuck with taxis that cost even more than a cheap car!
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oh my god shut the gently caress up about P6TA this is worse than coat or drake chat in the Toronto thread Can we talk how Ol' Dougie Hash Pipe is gonna make us yearn for the Mike Harris years?
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Jordan7hm posted:I always liked this one Yes look at all the rich people who bought tickets not doing anything to make it more fair, you're just redistributing among the poorest 3% you heartless liberal. The model they're presumably operating under (the kids with more pie give theirs voluntarily to the kids with less), is already possible in our system. vyelkin posted:This pie metaphor is pretty lovely because it assumes equal slices of pie to begin with, in a situation where everything else is equal, so of course in that situation everyone jumps to the obvious solution of "everyone should have equal pie". That might be but it's the official metaphor in the official guide (https://bed-ji-2011.wikispaces.com/file/view/4.+Resource+Guide.pdf). Your metaphor is idealistic and also who the gently caress is bringing their own pie in to school. A metaphor for how it's practically and widely implemented is to say "studies show that kids with brown hair get twice as much pie as kids with red hair so make sure that kids with red hair all get twice as much as the kids with brown hair and this should even out statistically, it would be impossible to ask every kid exactly how much pie they get every year and give them the exact amount that would even them personally out with the rest of their classmates". That's how you get the CBC advertising job positions and no caucasians need apply. Are you good with that? I am not. Same with med school applications. Don't take people with lower grades because they're from an oppressed class, fix the reason the oppressed class is getting lower grades. I guess that's my argument. You don't need to reply and I know you disagree, we probably aren't going to find agreement on this and I'm worried you'll put effort into trying and we're both arguing from moral ground. Jordan7hm's picture is good, we should be raising people who behave like that. The point is, if you want to argue with people who find Peterson appealing, don't argue about genders or marxism, argue about equity vs equality, it's way more interesting.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:The point is, if you want to argue with people who find Peterson appealing, don't argue about genders or marxism, argue about equity vs equality, it's way more interesting. Don't argue with Peterson about the topics he's obsessed with and draw his supporters to him, okay, got it.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Don't argue with Peterson about the topics he's obsessed with and draw his supporters to him, okay, got it. Yeah equity versus equality is a much bigger thing among the more mainstream right who spend less time screaming about genders and Marxism, just look at this thing Maxime Bernier posted on facebook today: quote:CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE AND BE QUIET
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affirmative action programs are pretty well baked into our constitutional document, same with equal protection of everyone before the law. If people like Peterson genuinely want to take issue with that or, say, hate speech laws, then just challenge those issues directly instead of inventing nonsense about a law that has effectively been governing your workplace for years before you decided it was a problem. Trans people shouldn't have their constitutional protections held hostage over concerns about compelled speech via hate speech laws/human rights tribunals.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Yes look at all the rich people who bought tickets not doing anything to make it more fair, you're just redistributing among the poorest 3% you heartless liberal. The model they're presumably operating under (the kids with more pie give theirs voluntarily to the kids with less), is already possible in our system. That’s why I like that one yeah. Look it’s more fair (they’re still on the other side of the fence because they can’t afford tickets).
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Phone posting so I can’t get down and dirty, but sure, why not. Let’s aim for equality of opportunity. We’re so far from that being honestly and truly universally applied that the pursuit of it is just as dirty leftie as anything else. Let’s introduce wealth taxes, increase upper income tax brackets and corporate tax, ramp up rehabilitative Justice for non-dangerous offenders, slash police budgets and introduce a new, civilian-esque police force for the majority of policing duties,fight overseas tax havens, bust monopolies, and radically invigorate and revolutionize our social welfare programs to ensure every person is allowed to live a life of dignity and self-actualisation regardless of the circumstances of their born existence. But this still isn’t happening, regardless of who ends up in power.
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Stickarts posted:Phone posting so I can’t get down and dirty, but sure, why not. Let’s aim for equality of opportunity. We’re so far from that being honestly and truly universally applied that the pursuit of it is just as dirty leftie as anything else. Let’s introduce wealth taxes, increase upper income tax brackets and corporate tax, ramp up rehabilitative Justice for non-dangerous offenders, slash police budgets and introduce a new, civilian-Eddie police force for the majority of policing duties,fight overseas tax havens, bust monopolies, and radically invigorate and revolutionize our social welfare programs to ensure every person is allowed to live a life of dignity and self-actualisation regardless of the circumstances of their born existence. Don't forget our new 100% estate tax
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infernal machines posted:Buddy, I half-way agree with you and even I want you to shut the gently caress up, because this is tedious as hell and you're not even doing an entertaining job of misrepresenting other people's arguments to make your point.
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Using "they" is a lot less difficult Peterson's grand-standing bullshit about imaginary genders. It's almost like they have a secret transphobic motive. :thinking_face:
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xtal posted:Using "they" is a lot less difficult Peterson's grand-standing bullshit about imaginary genders. It's almost like they have a secret transphobic motive. :thinking_face: It's : thunk :, in case you're curious.
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Big transit announcement in Vancouver right now, $7b in funding confirmed and agreed upon for their Phase 2 which includes big bus expansion, Broadway subway extension, Patullo bridge, and whatever the gently caress is happening for Surrey LRT e: and a buttload more trains for Expo/Millenium line too 
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CLAM DOWN posted:Big transit announcement in Vancouver right now, $7b in funding confirmed and agreed upon for their Phase 2 which includes big bus expansion, Broadway subway extension, Patullo bridge, and whatever the gently caress is happening for Surrey LRT loving awesome! I am, after all, highly supportive of policies that encourage transit use and discourage driving.
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MA-Horus posted:Can we talk how Ol' Dougie Hash Pipe is gonna make us yearn for the Mike Harris years? I will eat a hat if their privatization and cuts kill fewer people than Walkerton
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PT6A posted:It's : thunk :, in case you're curious. I'm not.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Big transit announcement in Vancouver right now, $7b in funding confirmed and agreed upon for their Phase 2 which includes big bus expansion, Broadway subway extension, Patullo bridge, and whatever the gently caress is happening for Surrey LRT Thanks BC Libs for the dumbshit transit referendum that set us back 3 years.
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They kept taxes low, for families
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I decided to put my money where my mouth is and volunteer for a labour union.. Wish me luck goons.
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Kraftwerk posted:I decided to put my money where my mouth is and volunteer for a labour union.. Wish me luck goons. Right on. Good on you.
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https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2018/03/16/caught-up-in-the-populist-uprising-ontario-is-set-to-follow-doug-ford-into-the-fire.htmlquote:... Pretend I quoted that post about how all Doug Ford has to do is not step on his own dick and he'll be Premier. Also that quote about how Conservative times are Hard times and yet here we are. Literally going to put Doug Ford into power as Premier of Ontario.
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Pretend I quoted the post where I said Doug Ford doesn't even have to avoid stepping on his dick to be Premier. He could nail his foreskin to the sole of his shoe and still walk into Queens Park with at least a minority.
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Why didn't any of you run for premier?
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xtal posted:Why didn't any of you run for premier? Don't you need at least like 50 people to back you first? plus like I think $1000 bucks just for the privilege to run?
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xtal posted:Why didn't any of you run for premier? I'd like to maintain an illusion of dignity.
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xtal posted:Why didn't any of you run for premier? That's not how the office works.
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xtal posted:Why didn't any of you run for premier? You can't "run for premier" dude
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xtal posted:Why didn't any of you run for premier? I need to focus on my campaign for President.
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CLAM DOWN posted:You can't "run for premier" dude This kind of attitude is why we have Doug Ford xtal fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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xtal posted:Why didn't any of you run for premier? Would need to go to Toronto, ew.
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Why didn't I have the wisdom and foresight to be born into a millionaire family where I could hone my business acumen by becoming a mid-tier hash dealer? I don't know about noted joke candidate Tanya Granic Allen but I'm going to take a wild guess that all of the other OPC leadership candidates are multi-millionaires or will be when their "crooked ex-PM who took suitcases of cash as bribes and then sued the federal government for libel for spreading complete true claims about his corruption" daddies croak.
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On a related note, seven MPs who used unparliamentary language featuring Justin Trudeau's godawful Van Dyke beard:quote:Dec. 14, 2011: Liberal MP Justin Trudeau vs. Conservative Environment Minister Peter Kent The current Liberal leadership candidate admitted he lost his “cool” in the House of Commons during Question Period when he called Environment Minister Peter Kent a “piece of poo poo.” When QP was over, Mr. Trudeau apologized. “I used language that was most undecidedly unparliamentary and for that I unreservedly apologize and withdraw my remarks,” Mr. Trudeau told MPs. Disappointing. He wasn't wrong on this. quote:March 3, 2008: Liberal MP Shawn Murphy vs. Brian Mulroney Nothing says unparliamentary language like calling for the hanging of a former prime minister. But that’s what Liberal MP Shawn Murphy found himself apologizing for because of his heckles during a Conservative speech about a crime bill. “Hang him high, hang Mulroney! Let’s get this Mulroney before the courts as soon as possible and hang him high,” Mr. Murphy was quoted as telling the House of Commons. “We gotta get Mulroney, put a noose on his head, put a noose on his head. Get tough on crime.” “I deeply regret my actions,” Mr. Murphy said later. | Oct. 16, 1985: NDP MP James Fulton and a dead salmon vs. Progressive Conservative prime minister Brian Mulroney’s empty desk Unhappy with government policy on West Coast salmon fishing, NDP MP James Fulton raised his concerns during Question Period. When he was done, he pulled a dead salmon from under his desk, walked across the aisle, and dropped it on the desk of Progressive Conservative prime minister Brian Mulroney, who was away. Should have slapped the poo poo out of Mulroney with that fish. Hanging is a bit extreme but federal prison sounds good. e: sock him in the eye with a sockeye, aye? Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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Further proof that Renfrew Nipissing Pembroke is full of retards and I'm never going back.
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Why would some chucklefuck in suburban Ottawa fly a white Knights Templar flag from a pole on the front of a pickup truck?
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Because they're a white supremacist who wants to advertise? Someone with real particular thoughts on Muslims, I expect. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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James Baud posted:For the people who haven't had their fill of Khalistan talk, here's another take. It has its own omissions, but I imagine it covers the India side better than anything else most anyone will have read: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/03/15/opinion/truth-behind-story-engulfing-canadas-sikh-politicians That's a very good article, thanks for sharing it.
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infernal machines posted:Because they're a white supremacist who wants to advertise? That was my initial thought, I was hoping there was another reason.
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