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Mar 16, 2018 22:45
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I generally tell them that if I wanted a non-Trinitarian faith, I'd at least be intellectually honest about it - that would entail converting to Islam.
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Mar 16, 2018 23:58
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try to get them to say the shahada the whole mormon missionary thing is weird because it's reserved for young guys who have gone to "seminary" (which is mormon sunday school) and then take an intensive course in apologetics before they get sent out to go knocking on doors. but it's mostly the unchurched they're targeting. the reason why they go in pairs is so that one can narc on the other if he has a lapse in his faith. and then if you get combative while talking to them they'll peace out and sic an elder on you that's more versed in arguing with people over doctrine.
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Mar 17, 2018 01:16
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The Phlegmatist posted:I just tell Mormons to go take their door-to-door magic underwear sales elsewhere Maybe I get it from my mom. She’s very nice to them, lets them know she isn’t interested in being Mormon, but is happy to hear what they have to say. I’m similar, but I’d likely* talk theology with them. It used to be my goal was to convince them their beliefs were “silly and erroneous.” I am deeply sorry for having such a proud and insensitive disposition, I recognize my heart was in the wrong place. * I say likely because while these guys wanted to talk they literally caught me 10 minutes before I had to leave to go out of town.
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Mar 17, 2018 02:59
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Numerical Anxiety posted:I generally tell them that if I wanted a non-Trinitarian faith, I'd at least be intellectually honest about it - that would entail converting to Islam. What, you don't want to give Dale Tuggy some company?
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Mar 17, 2018 03:15
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I had to look him up - an analytic philosopher who is interested in the trinity? There is perhaps no description more likely to make me cringe in every corner of my mind.
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Mar 17, 2018 03:24
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I also talk to nontrinitarian missionaries, but I'm more interested in hearing about their personal spirituality rather than comparing formal theologies. At the same time, I also feel a barrier to closeness with them, coming from the missionary role they're playing and the prospective convert role they'd like me to play. Ah well, that's how it is during this bitch of an endtime.
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Mar 17, 2018 03:27
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reminder that some mormon denominations are trinitarian
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Mar 17, 2018 03:33
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Some smaller schismatic churches from the same root as the JWs are more trinitarian, too. But in my life, I remember only meeting three kinds of missionaries: JWs, Mormons, and Hare Krishnas. Easily the most organized were the JWs.
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Mar 17, 2018 03:39
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Caufman posted:Some smaller schismatic churches from the same root as the JWs are more trinitarian, too. But in my life, I remember only meeting three kinds of missionaries: JWs, Mormons, and Hare Krishnas. Easily the most organized were the JWs. Hare Krishnas used to go chanting down the sidewalk outside my window at the crack of dawn, but never actually proselytized that I can remember.
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Mar 17, 2018 03:41
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Lutha Mahtin posted:reminder that some mormon denominations are trinitarian Do the non-LDS Mormons send out missionaries though? I thought it was a safe assumption that the uncomfortable twenty-somethings on my doorstep hold views that would make Arius blush.
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Mar 17, 2018 03:53
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P-Mack posted:Hare Krishnas used to go chanting down the sidewalk outside my window at the crack of dawn, but never actually proselytized that I can remember. I encountered one on a college campus. I still have the copy of the Bhagavad Gita that he freely gave me, though I haven't read it I think his name was Matthew.
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Mar 17, 2018 03:56
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Do the non-LDS Mormons send out missionaries though? I thought it was a safe assumption that the uncomfortable twenty-somethings on my doorstep hold views that would make Arius blush. i don't know but i feel like it's not the most well known bit of info when it comes to the LDS movement
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Mar 17, 2018 04:03
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Numerical Anxiety posted:I had to look him up - an analytic philosopher who is interested in the trinity? There is perhaps no description more likely to make me cringe in every corner of my mind. He has a podcast, in most of which he's challenging trinitarians to make sense of the trinity.
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Mar 17, 2018 04:11
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has this been posted before?
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Mar 17, 2018 04:21
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Is there anything you guys do when you're feeling out of touch spiritually? Lately I don't want to go to church anymore (I used to love it), I get pissy about tithing but feel obligated for a couple reasons, the Bible bores the poo poo out of me at best. Sometimes it just straight up pisses me off. Like I don't consider myself ultra religious or anything but I'm a bit worried something is up. Things just aren't clicking like they used to or something. I've thought about just talking to my pastor but I'm easily embarrassed about this stuff. Maybe I need a break? Is feeling this way normal? My girlfriend jokes that I'm a catholic at heart and maybe she's right because all of this makes me feel extremely guilty and maybe I'd be more interested in church lately if there were cooler hats.
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Mar 17, 2018 04:22
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CountFosco posted:He has a podcast. Have mercy, please. I didn't think it could be worse, but there it is.
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Mar 17, 2018 05:16
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I'm always upfront with the LDS guys that I'm not interested but offer ice water and snacks while complimenting their commitment to disaster prep and lamenting its historical neccessity.
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Mar 17, 2018 05:36
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Goobish posted:Is there anything you guys do when you're feeling out of touch spiritually? Lately I don't want to go to church anymore (I used to love it), I get pissy about tithing but feel obligated for a couple reasons, the Bible bores the poo poo out of me at best. Sometimes it just straight up pisses me off. Like I don't consider myself ultra religious or anything but I'm a bit worried something is up. Things just aren't clicking like they used to or something. I've thought about just talking to my pastor but I'm easily embarrassed about this stuff. Maybe I need a break? Is feeling this way normal? My girlfriend jokes that I'm a catholic at heart and maybe she's right because all of this makes me feel extremely guilty and maybe I'd be more interested in church lately if there were cooler hats. Pray/contemplate/meditate/wrestle ceaselessly. I think what you're experiencing is normal. Has something like this happened before? It may be cyclical, but I'd go far as to say that it may precipitate a lasting spiritual change.
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Mar 17, 2018 06:41
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Religion is just like anything else, sometimes you're going to be more into other things in life
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Mar 17, 2018 08:06
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P-Mack posted:Hare Krishnas used to go chanting down the sidewalk outside my window at the crack of dawn, but never actually proselytized that I can remember. I'm still loving angry about being pressured into paying ten pounds for one of their stupid loving books when I was 14. It was a straight up scam: they gave me a "free book" then followed me down the street demanding a donation, refusing to take the book back, and guilting me about how much they cost to print, all the time with these creepy angry smiles. Because I was at an age when embarrassment feels physically painful, I ended up giving them a "donation", then threw the book in the bin. Anyway, that's my story about how some Hare Krishnas were mean to me a decade and a half ago.
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Mar 17, 2018 11:42
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I find it kind of funny that you're all ragging on mormons - don't we all have one( or more) invisible friends in the sky? Religion is something people do, and there are plenty of culturally consistent reasons to become mormon. A mate of mine used to be a torturer for Hell's Angels, and got his baptism as a mormon when he got clean, and today he's one of the best christians I know, even if his churchs theology is odd.
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Mar 17, 2018 12:04
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plus they've got a sweet colony ship
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Mar 17, 2018 13:58
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My problem with Mormons is that they tend to say they're Christians when by my definitions they are not, they're a different and separate Abrahamic faith.
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Mar 17, 2018 14:10
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Oof, I've been five pages behind this thread at least since Ash Wednesday. I'm finally all caught up, and want to post this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJAmHvYH1YE I've also noticed pidan has removed all their posts in the thread, so I hope everything's okay.
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Mar 17, 2018 14:44
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Have mercy, please. I didn't think it could be worse, but there it is. His podcast's most recent interview is with a French Calvinist who wrote a book called "Excusing Sinners and Blaming God: A Calvinist Assessment of Determinism, Moral Responsibility, and Divine Involvement in Evil"
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Mar 17, 2018 15:08
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Pidan's ok I think, he just got a little over the top with his rhetoric and I guess deleted the posts because he regretted it. Let's all hope that going forward he has tranquility and calm. That Nachos story was pretty good. Very human.
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Mar 17, 2018 15:21
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Goobish posted:Is there anything you guys do when you're feeling out of touch spiritually? Lately I don't want to go to church anymore (I used to love it), I get pissy about tithing but feel obligated for a couple reasons, the Bible bores the poo poo out of me at best. Sometimes it just straight up pisses me off. Like I don't consider myself ultra religious or anything but I'm a bit worried something is up. Things just aren't clicking like they used to or something. I've thought about just talking to my pastor but I'm easily embarrassed about this stuff. Maybe I need a break? Is feeling this way normal? My girlfriend jokes that I'm a catholic at heart and maybe she's right because all of this makes me feel extremely guilty and maybe I'd be more interested in church lately if there were cooler hats. Take a day off and go do something outdoors in silence. That feeling is very normal. Though cool hats are helpful.
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Mar 17, 2018 16:30
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Goobish posted:My girlfriend jokes that I'm a catholic at heart and maybe she's right because all of this makes me feel extremely guilty and maybe I'd be more interested in church lately if there were cooler hats. You're being drawn into the One True Church where the priests have funny hats but NOT beards or wives. On a more serious note, this feeling is normal but Protestants just don't have much to do outside of reading the Bible and going to church. As opposed to Catholics, who have the liturgy of the hours, the rosary, holy water, etc. which allow you to connect with the church at all times even when you're not really feelin' it. See if your church has any volunteer groups you can join, because that was always helpful for me.
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Mar 17, 2018 17:13
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It is hard to get confession these days, the priests are always so busy.
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Mar 17, 2018 17:21
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P-Mack posted:Hare Krishnas used to go chanting down the sidewalk outside my window at the crack of dawn, but never actually proselytized that I can remember. Back when I was in college (this would have been, oh, 21-22 years ago now) taking a comparative religions course, my class visited a (possibly the, but I'm not sure) Hare Krishna temple in Washington DC. The guy who met with us and answered questions for an hour was super cool and clearly pleased to be hosting us, but about ten minutes before our time there was up things hit a lull, and he said "Okay, we have a few minutes left, and I can either answer some more questions or we can do some chanting." I have never seen so many hands go up so quickly in my life.
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Mar 17, 2018 17:23
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In my South Asian Religions course in college we got to visit an actual real-life cult compound. Still not sure what the hell that was about.
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Mar 17, 2018 17:45
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Ceciltron posted:It is hard to get confession these days, the priests are always so busy. Just go ahead and confess to the internet. For real, just before Easter is "big fish season" according to our priest.
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Mar 17, 2018 19:37
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The great spring blót is done! Lots of offerings and prayers to Frej and Freja, and we got to hear the story of Skade and Njords marriage, good times <3 Cythereal posted:My problem with Mormons is that they tend to say they're Christians when by my definitions they are not, they're a different and separate Abrahamic faith. I think I found the sum total of your problem  E: Holy poo poo, I just heard about St. Brigid today! Why do we give a poo poo about a pagan-killing nationalist on March 17 when she's the patron saint of appreciating noble cattes 
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Mar 17, 2018 20:28
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St. Patrick was not a nationalist and he didn't kill people.
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Mar 17, 2018 20:42
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Nah, he's sort of like Jesus that way: Cool dude, but his fringe fans are the loving worst I think it's pretty well-established that the 'removing snakes from ireland' thing is a reference to his christianizing influence, which wasn't always peaceful. I'd be happy to know more, though.
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Mar 17, 2018 20:45
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On this most holy day of solemnity many Catholics in the United States will get blackout drunk before noon. You could probably complain about that. I'm not sure where your idea that St. Patrick is a genocidal maniac came from.
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Mar 17, 2018 21:12
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Tias posted:The great spring blót is done! Lots of offerings and prayers to Frej and Freja, and we got to hear the story of Skade and Njords marriage, good times <3 I think it's St. Gertrude of Nivelles, actually. (Not to be confused with St. Gertrude the Great.)
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Mar 17, 2018 21:30
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Tias posted:Nah, he's sort of like Jesus that way: Cool dude, but his fringe fans are the loving worst
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Mar 17, 2018 21:31
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StashAugustine posted:plus they've got a sweet colony ship Had*
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