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TLJ should've had lots of extra lines where characters state obvious implications or what is currently happening on the screen.
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Ammanas posted:How do you quantify that? Both ST made a shitton of money and were very well reviewed by critics. They want a product that plays well and continues the star wars franchise ad a valuable, in demand property. Deep nerds or millennials overrated the original trilogy are basically irrelevant ... That's a fair point, but I was really referring more to what seems to be the general consensus among fans of the films. I'm certainly willing to considering being wrong. But I was under the impression that while, as you said, the films did well, and were relatively well reviewed by critics, the general consensus was that they were little more than mediocre at best and certainly not great and that this was not an opinion held solely by a small minority of nerds on the fringes of the web. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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Mar 17, 2018 01:57
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Finn blows up the weapon. Then what. They’d be trapped with no way out. Or at least that’s what they knew at the time. A pointless death.
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Mar 17, 2018 03:55
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CelticPredator posted:Finn blows up the weapon. Well no, the whole point of them sallying out to take out the cannon was to buy time for Leia's allies to arrive and save them.
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Mar 17, 2018 04:41
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CelticPredator posted:Finn blows up the weapon. Good point. When you put it that way, we all just die eventually, so why bother to do anything at all?
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Mar 17, 2018 04:57
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Milky Moor posted:Good point. When you put it that way, we all just die eventually, so why bother to do anything at all? Why bother wasting time hating a fantastic film?
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Mar 17, 2018 04:59
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CelticPredator posted:Why bother wasting time hating a fantastic film? Salt.
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Mar 17, 2018 05:28
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the word is "fantastical"
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Mar 17, 2018 05:31
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the behind the scenes doc on the bonus features of TLJ is fucken sick. TLJ special features are blowin away TFAs.
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Mar 17, 2018 05:34
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CelticPredator posted:Why bother wasting time hating a fantastic film? I don't. It's why I spend time hating the Force Awakens instead of Casablanca.
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Mar 17, 2018 06:03
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The movie is far from fantastical. It's banal. An actual fantastical movie about rebellion is House of Flying Daggers.
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Mar 17, 2018 08:56
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what i take from watching the movie is that the rebels are dumb and deserve to lose. the republic's army is cowardly and non-existant.
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Mar 17, 2018 13:54
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Just watched this for the first time and enjoyed it much more than I expected to (I hated TFA and Rogue One). It has plot holes and inconsistencies but it's the first of the new films to feel like its heart is in the right place. The exterior is sometimes sloppy but at its core it has actual ideas and things it wants to say. Which is the exact opposite of TFA, which is beautifully arranged and composed but struggled to really say anything at all. edit: Although I probably enjoyed it more since I watched it at home and could pause to pee - the length would have probably bugged me if I saw it in theaters. I think there's a legit discussion to be had on how physically being at the theater makes long movies less enjoyable. For example we just watched Ben Hur last week and had a loving blast, but the same experience would have been torturous in a theater. So what really is Ben Hur: fun or torturous?? Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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Mar 17, 2018 17:18
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Ben Hur was made back in the days of intermissions, so I'm going to say fun. Bring back intermissions.
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Mar 17, 2018 17:45
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Having previously only seen it on TV, I was very surprised when I watched The Godfather on DVD and a title card came up halfway through that said "INTERMISSION". I'd have thought that's the sort of thing that would get edited out for home release.
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Mar 17, 2018 18:01
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Wheat Loaf posted:Having previously only seen it on TV, I was very surprised when I watched The Godfather on DVD and a title card came up halfway through that said "INTERMISSION". I'd have thought that's the sort of thing that would get edited out for home release.
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Mar 17, 2018 19:19
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Wild Horses posted:what i take from watching the movie is that the rebels are dumb and deserve to lose. the republic's army is cowardly and non-existant. The empire or whatever the gently caress they want to call them are also dumb and deserve to lose, so really the takeaway is that we're all dumb for continuing to watch these movies.
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Mar 17, 2018 22:50
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Papercut posted:The empire or whatever the gently caress they want to call them are also dumb and deserve to lose, so really the takeaway is that we're all dumb for continuing to watch these movies. People take these Star Wars too seriously.
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Mar 17, 2018 22:58
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CelticPredator posted:Why bother wasting time hating a fantastic film? Like, it seemed to me at that point Finn's sacrifice might be their only option. No one knows Luke's coming, after all. And it didn't seem visually obvious that his attempt would be ineffective, because, well, I dunno fly a ship kamikaze into an open cannon about to fire and it might do some damage. But it's not a big deal anyway. It didn't detract from me enjoying the second half. Papercut posted:The empire or whatever the gently caress they want to call them are also dumb and deserve to lose, so really the takeaway is that we're all dumb for continuing to watch these movies.
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Mar 17, 2018 23:40
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Intermissions need to come back in a major way, or at least some movies need to do like 2001 and Godfather and put a card in the middle. The arthouse theater in town is also a bar so they do intermissions to get people back to the bar and to the bathroom so I'm kinda conditioned at this point
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Mar 17, 2018 23:56
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Like, it seemed to me at that point Finn's sacrifice might be their only option. No one knows Luke's coming, after all. And it didn't seem visually obvious that his attempt would be ineffective, because, well, I dunno fly a ship kamikaze into an open cannon about to fire and it might do some damage. To me the movie is signalling to the audience that his suicide run will be ineffective when the beam, before even firing, melts the guns on the ship he is flying.
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Mar 18, 2018 00:53
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I just watched TLJ in amazon and Poe literally says "it's a suicide run. Stop"
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Mar 18, 2018 02:19
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Ingmar terdman posted:Intermissions need to come back in a major way, or at least some movies need to do like 2001 and Godfather and put a card in the middle. The arthouse theater in town is also a bar so they do intermissions to get people back to the bar and to the bathroom so I'm kinda conditioned at this point Or we could just stop making every movie 3 hours long
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Mar 18, 2018 04:17
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cloud atlas and jupiter ascending were both good. haven't seen speed racer but i bet it's also good. the matrix sequels are bad but whatever
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Mar 18, 2018 04:28
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Jerkface posted:To me the movie is signalling to the audience that his suicide run will be ineffective when the beam, before even firing, melts the guns on the ship he is flying. That and they’d just be trapped inside the base with no escape. Finn has at that point no knowledge of the secret escape (which only worked because Rey was there) so if he blows up the gun.... then what? They have nowhere to go. No escape. All it would do is delay the first order for a bit.
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Mar 18, 2018 04:29
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CelticPredator posted:That and they’d just be trapped inside the base with no escape. Finn has at that point no knowledge of the secret escape (which only worked because Rey was there) so if he blows up the gun.... then what? They have nowhere to go. No escape. All it would do is delay the first order for a bit. Finn - "C'mon, we have allies. People believe in Leia. They'll get our message, they'll come, but we have to buy time. We gotta take out that cannon." The movie spells it out pretty clearly dude.
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Mar 18, 2018 04:35
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Ingmar terdman posted:Intermissions need to come back in a major way, or at least some movies need to do like 2001 and Godfather and put a card in the middle. The arthouse theater in town is also a bar so they do intermissions to get people back to the bar and to the bathroom so I'm kinda conditioned at this point This seems like a decidedly bad idea profits-wise vs the Alamo model of being able to order another round without leaving the comfort of your seat.
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Mar 18, 2018 04:45
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The reason people (and the movie) are so opposed to Finn's suicide attack is because it is authentic. Suicide and self-sacrifice are never rational. A suicide attack is not guaranteed to succeed, but still demands making the ultimate sacrifice for what you believe in. This is why Holdo's and Luke's suicide tactics are acceptable. They turn out to have been dependable, calculated. They're rational, even. This is also why they aren't true self-sacrifice. Obi-Wan's sacrifice was also false, he just peaced out to hang out as a spirit. All the criticism of Finn's suicide run is about its impracticality. Behind that sentiment lies the knowledge of how bleak and uncomfortable that sacrifice would be. What's conspicuous is that nobody is arguing that Holdo's and Luke's suicide tactics were superior. Deep down everyone knows that the idea of a 'rational suicide' is perverse. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 13:07
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The reason people (and the movie) are so opposed to Finn's suicide attack is because it is authentic. Suicide and self-sacrifice are never rational. A suicide attack is not guaranteed to succeed, but demands making the ultimate sacrifice for what you believe in. My favorite take has to be 'Destroying the battering ram cannon was pointless because then the Rebels would've just starved in the cave, all they would've done is delayed their deaths'. Like, just bask in it.
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Mar 18, 2018 13:29
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We need more films where the black character heroically sacrifices himself
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Mar 18, 2018 15:42
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The only genuine moment where finn can show his mettle and nerve is derailed by a dumb bimbo wanting to jump on his cock
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Mar 18, 2018 16:02
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Wild Horses posted:The only genuine moment where finn can show his mettle and nerve is derailed by a dumb bimbo wanting to jump on his cock You mean Poe?
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Mar 18, 2018 18:44
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The reason people (and the movie) are so opposed to Finn's suicide attack is because it is authentic. Suicide and self-sacrifice are never rational. A suicide attack is not guaranteed to succeed, but still demands making the ultimate sacrifice for what you believe in. Ah yes unlike the big sacrifice in the Western canon which was totally not 100% a big plan.
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Mar 18, 2018 19:00
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porfiria posted:Ah yes unlike the big sacrifice in the Western canon which was totally not 100% a big plan. Jesus suffered on the cross and died. It wasn't some tactical maneuvre. I mean, SMG pointed out ages ago that the self-sacrifice in Star Wars tends to be a trick.
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Mar 18, 2018 20:00
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cargohills posted:You mean Poe? https://twitter.com/plantblogger/status/973726894355988480
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Mar 18, 2018 20:12
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Jesus suffered on the cross and died. It wasn't some tactical maneuvre. Yeah and then he came back to life immediately and was like I’m back bitches.
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Mar 18, 2018 20:41
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How much you wanna bet the ESB gal was the mother of the TLJ gal? "Mom, what's our life calling?" "Getting between two lovers arguing. You'll know what to do when the time comes."
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Mar 18, 2018 21:23
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Poe Did Nothing Wrong It's not his fault the Resistance made slow moving suicide space zeppelins
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Mar 18, 2018 21:35
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Wild Horses posted:The only genuine moment where finn can show his mettle and nerve is derailed by a dumb bimbo wanting to jump on his cock Dude, what the hell? This is just obnoxious
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quote:And while He was still speaking, behold, Judas, one of the twelve, with a great multitude with swords and clubs, came from the chief priests and elders of the people.
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