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Aesop Poprock posted:So everyone knew about him for decades and nothing was ever done? That’s some Stephen king poo poo The Vancouver police ignored prostitutes disappearing for years and years.
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Randaconda posted:The Vancouver police ignored prostitutes disappearing for years and years. Yeah I knew that part but I wasn’t aware the townsfolk were all woke to it apparently
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Randaconda posted:The Vancouver police ignored prostitutes disappearing for years and years. While this thread has done nothing for my faith in law enforcement, the whole community knowing the local weirdo is a serial killer and just treating him like a missing stair feels pretty strange. Are there more cases like that? That's what really makes this story creepy.
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Mar 17, 2018 14:13
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Did he ever kill people that weren't sex workers?
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Jedit posted:Shut down the thread, boys, you know we've gone mainstream when the Guardian starts joining in. When we heard the announcement that the Trailside Killer had been captured, my mom calmly said "I went on a couple of dates with him". she told us that they were group outings, where he was her 'date' for the evening, not an event where he asked her out, and they went somewhere on their own. All the girls knew not to be alone in a room with him.
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Aesop Poprock posted:So everyone knew about him for decades and nothing was ever done? That’s some Stephen king poo poo between this and the toronto serial killer i'm beginning to think canada keeps it's murder rate down by just never arresting ppl for murder 
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Caganer posted:between this and the toronto serial killer i'm beginning to think canada keeps it's murder rate down by just never arresting ppl for murder Gays and prostitute's don't count.
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Mar 17, 2018 18:54
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Caganer posted:between this and the toronto serial killer i'm beginning to think canada keeps it's murder rate down by just never arresting ppl for murder Was the dead person a sex worker, gay person, or Indigenous person? If not, maybe someone will get arrested. Not that the US has anything to brag about in this respect, of course.
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Flyball posted:Gays and prostitute's don't count. would the PM care if they put on weird socks?
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AlbieQuirky posted:Indigenous person Caganer posted:would the PM care if they put on weird socks?
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Flyball posted:Oh, yeah, I forgot them - just like the government does. The new PM, Justin Trudeau, has been criticized for mostly showboating - lots of photo ops etc but not much substantive progressive policy. He often does zany stuff like wear star wars socks and the press eat it up.
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Reading about this woman’s death and the disposability of Filipino women in overseas domestic work is heartbreaking. Slain Filipina in freezer shows risks to overseas workers quote:When Joanna Demafelis’ indebted family needed money to fix their typhoon-battered home, she followed in the footsteps of millions of other Filipinos and left to find work overseas. And like far too many Filipinos, her journey ended in tragedy.
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Busket Posket posted:Reading about this woman’s death and the disposability of Filipino women in overseas domestic work is heartbreaking. I was actually pondering something related to this after the earlier posts about the (some supposedly voluntary, others not) sex workers locked up in the guy's basement. For exploitation-vulnerable positions like maids, or in theory sex workers where it's legal but still not ironed-out yet, I wonder if it would be helpful to require the person to show up in person every other month or so for some kind of mandatory training/feedback session (billed to their employer so they aren't losing work hours), where part of the intent is to get them into a secure location away from their employers where you can explicitly ask them if there's any abuse, and if allegations come up authorities can physically prevent alleged abusers from getting at them? Non-immigrant sex workers it might be trickier since they might have family or other associates you can threaten, but with either imported maids or imported sex workers, their families and most of their non-work friends are in another country, so they're presumably not risking too much beyond whatever pay they're owed and whatever amount of personal possessions they have at their workplace, so harder to leverage them if they turn witness while at their secured training site. Not that I'm in a position to set policy, just spitballing ideas as a thought exercise.
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probably more helpful in the long run to solve the issues (like western exploitation of countries in the global south, systemic poverty and income inequality, othering/dehumanizing of foreign workers, misogyny...) that lead people to those positions. Your proposal feels like it's trying to file off the "rough edges" of a bucket full of glass shards.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:probably more helpful in the long run to solve the issues (like western exploitation of countries in the global south, systemic poverty and income inequality, othering/dehumanizing of foreign workers, misogyny...) that lead people to those positions. Your proposal feels like it's trying to file off the "rough edges" of a bucket full of glass shards. Solving global income inequality is going to take, bare minimum, at least three of four years, so in the interim providing some level of oversight seems a good partway measure.
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The Disappearance of the Yuba County Five
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I was actually pondering something related to this after the earlier posts about the (some supposedly voluntary, others not) sex workers locked up in the guy's basement. For exploitation-vulnerable positions like maids, or in theory sex workers where it's legal but still not ironed-out yet, I wonder if it would be helpful to require the person to show up in person every other month or so for some kind of mandatory training/feedback session (billed to their employer so they aren't losing work hours), where part of the intent is to get them into a secure location away from their employers where you can explicitly ask them if there's any abuse, and if allegations come up authorities can physically prevent alleged abusers from getting at them? There was a decent long read in The Guardian last week about how similar cases are handled in the US. Spoiler: it's badly
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Solving global income inequality is going to take, bare minimum, at least three of four years, so in the interim providing some level of oversight seems a good partway measure. "Making everyone not poor" is going to take three or four years minimum? I'd love to see the plan you have in your head for that timeframe. I can't think of one that doesn't take decades, unless it includes magic wands.
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hint: they get hired not for housework--their employers can afford housework. they are hired to be sex slaves and to be abused. that is a big part of why the system does not change.
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Apropos. There was a video last year showing an Ethiopian maid who dropped from a 7 story building while her employer was filming her as she was clinging on to the window for dear life. I'm going to link the video but be warned I really regretted watching the video at the time and it was even worse the second time around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beDc7EyHzRA
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Solice Kirsk posted:"Making everyone not poor" is going to take three or four years minimum? I'd love to see the plan you have in your head for that timeframe. I can't think of one that doesn't take decades, unless it includes magic wands. That's the joke.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:probably more helpful in the long run to solve the issues (like western exploitation of countries in the global south, systemic poverty and income inequality, othering/dehumanizing of foreign workers, misogyny...) that lead people to those positions. Your proposal feels like it's trying to file off the "rough edges" of a bucket full of glass shards. I agree except that Dubai isn't the West. Exploitation by rich countries of workers from poor countries isn't only a Western problem anymore.
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Spooky as heck although they do try to avoid the topic that these men were mentally deficient and probably did dumb things as a result.
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Sarcopenia posted:Apropos. I didn't watch so I googled this case, and fyi to anyone who's wondering - she survived with a broken arm and some other lesser injuries.
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Pick posted a couple stories in GBS this thread might like: Burned out caretaker kills granddaughter Pick posted:She spent 14 years caring for a granddaughter with cerebral palsy. Then she shot her, police say. Autistic 18 year old kills caretaker Pick posted:I mostly think it's sad she killed the girl who still had a ton to offer but it might have been because she didn't trust anyone else to give her the respect and care she deserved.
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I definitely feel like, while there are inherently stressful things about caring for a severely disabled person, societal ableism and difficulty of finding resources makes an already stressful situation hellish. And plenty of people manage to deal with that without killing their dependents or abusing them, but everyone would benefit if there was more of a societal support network so people were not going bankrupt or pushing themselves to mental breakdowns to deal with illness and disability. Luxury gay space communism now!
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I'm actually a little surprised no one's tried this before. From a cold, emotionless engineering standpoint if you had multiple people abducted by a serial killer you could probably shortlist quickly people who were near all the crime scenes or dump sites. (I'm reading a book now about Ted Bundy, and apparently they'd narrowed down a small list of "Teds" to work through as suspects and if they'd have had modern computers they could have easily noticed that the only one who moved from Washington to Utah was Ted Bundy with basic data science) Raleigh cops are investigating crime by getting Google to reveal the identity of every mobile user within acres of the scene quote:Public records requests have revealed that on at least four occasions, the Raleigh-Durham police obtained warrants forcing Google to reveal the identities of every mobile user within acres of a crime scene, sweeping up the personal information of thousands of people in a quest to locate a single perp.
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What judges are signing off on those warrants? Goddamn.
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The What If? Podcast did an episode on the Yuba City Incident and the whole thing is just utterly bizarre, not like paranormal bizarre, but even with the various psychiatric and intellectual disabilities, their actions make absolutely no sense. Since I listened to the episode, I've thought about it occasionally and this is what I think happened. The best I can figure, the guys met some people at the basketball game and they were somehow enticed to go with them, like with the promise of a party at their new friends' cabin or something. They all leave the game together, with the Mercury following the new friend's pickup. They all make it to the spot the Mercury is found, either with a "the cabin is just a mile or two ahead" or by force, the guys get into the bed of the truck at that point. If they weren't forced, at some point they realize that things are profoundly wrong. Maybe it's when they get to the murder cabin, maybe it's before that and they make a break into the woods. The guys bail out and run into the woods, their would be captors in hot pursuit. The guys manage to lose them but now they're out in the woods without the right gear or any idea how to get back. The guys are still afraid of the crazy people in the pickup finding them, so they keep going away from where their car is. Weihr and Matthias are the only two who make it to the cabin, the others dying from exposure on the way. Weihr is in no shape to go for help, but Matthias is in somewhat better shape, so he goes for help almost immediately, changing shoes with Weihr for some reason. Matthias then dies somewhere else while going for help, while Weihr, in a poor mental state from hypothermia and frostbite, slowly starves to death. Admittedly, it requires a lot of leaps, but it's the only thing that even kinda makes sense to me.
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pookel posted:I didn't watch so I googled this case, and fyi to anyone who's wondering - she survived with a broken arm and some other lesser injuries.
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Caganer posted:Raleigh cops are investigating crime by getting Google to reveal the identity of every mobile user within acres of the scene Someone needs to tell these cops about GPS spoofing, which is freely available on any Android phone.
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Jedit posted:Someone needs to tell these cops about GPS spoofing, which is freely available on any Android phone. Also iPhones exist. And airplane mode. And power switches, and not taking a phone to a crime.
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On the Yuba City Incident, I am still bemused by why Weihr didn't eat the food in the cabin. I mean, he might have died from hypothermia anyway, but eat the food, Weihr!
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Pick posted:Spooky as heck although they do try to avoid the topic that these men were mentally deficient and probably did dumb things as a result. it's still unnerving 
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Also iPhones exist. And airplane mode. And power switches, and not taking a phone to a crime. I often put my phone in airplane mode just for battery reasons. I have a low data plan cause it's cheaper, and rely on podcasts to keep my entertained. Plus not being constantly available is a feature, not a bug.
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Pick posted:Spooky as heck although they do try to avoid the topic that these men were mentally deficient and probably did dumb things as a result. Of all posters I didn't expect you to label them "mentally deficient" Azathoth posted:The What If? Podcast did an episode on the Yuba City Incident and the whole thing is just utterly bizarre, not like paranormal bizarre, but even with the various psychiatric and intellectual disabilities, their actions make absolutely no sense. Since I listened to the episode, I've thought about it occasionally and this is what I think happened. This makes a lot less sense than making a series of mistakes and bad decisions.
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Yeah, "guys got lost in the woods and died" is a lot more believable than "guys got chased through the woods by murderers, somehow got away, and then died from being lost in the woods."
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I'm not calling them that, the article did. I'm not trying to be a dick, maybe I should have written mentally challenged? But that was their thing right? It might not be their fault they couldn't make good decisions but imho that's the easiest answer under normal circumstances and double so under these.
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Jedit posted:Shut down the thread, boys, you know we've gone mainstream when the Guardian starts joining in. You've got to hand it to him on the whole "inviting them over for a barbecue" thing, like that's so loving self-referential it's amazing. So uh, I (very loosely) know someone who got serial-killed.  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42980512 https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/americas/toronto-bruce-mcarthur-suspected-serial-killer/index.html When Andrew first went missing we'd assumed he was on the run for murdering someone but it ends up her got murdered himself. The loving kicker was that Toronto police denied for weeks there was a serial killer preying on gay men after multiple disappearances, allowing even more men to be killed. Guy was a landscaper that hid parts of his victims in plots and planters/pots he worked in. Super hosed up, exacerbated by Toronto PD not giving a gently caress about the victims because they're gay. http://torontosun.com/2017/07/10/kinsman-not-the-first-gay-man-to-go-missing-in-village/wcm/8049db1c-59ef-4078-82a3-3f0c90764a45 http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/are-police-doing-enough-to-find-missing-people-in-torontos-gay-village/
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