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SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

bobjr posted:

If she crashed while looking away from the road for a second leading to her hitting a zombie that might be the best ending Walking Dead could ever have.

Next episode the gunfight happens, but because everyone's dumb it's mostly self kills as people walk into teleporting zombies or retard hiding spots. As Rick drives away in the van full of the last survivors he hallucinates the ghosts of Lori and Carl, they tell him it's time to come home, and rick rolls the van into a swamp and drowns everyone. As the water calms both the notes from Carl to Rick and Negan overlap so they spell out "let there be peace"
Judith was left behind and dies, comes back as a Zombie and the final scene is the black dude and his wife from Dawn of the Dead coming in to find their new zombie baby that kills them

Where's my loving check, AMC?


Because "makes u think"

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Mar 19, 2018

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Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

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Like, why even have Coral make a dying plea if Rick isn't going to follow or be conflicted by it? :lol:

He could have just as easily been like "dad...kill them all!" as a dying wish and then this would at least make sense...

Agent Burt Macklin
Jul 3, 2003

Macklin, you son of a bitch
Why the poo poo was Rick wasting his ammo shooting at Negan like that? And who is this dumb lady gifting Maggie all that stuff? Is this from the comics? If it isn't - this is the dumbest poo poo on this dumb show yet.

Agent Burt Macklin fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Mar 19, 2018

fullroundaction
Apr 20, 2007

Drink beer every day

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Like, why even have Coral make a dying plea if Rick isn't going to follow or be conflicted by it? :lol:

He could have just as easily been like "dad...kill them all!" as a dying wish and then this would at least make sense...

If carl’s letter to his dad just said “kill ‘em all” I’d be all the way back in for this show.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



I'd just like to remind everyone that zombies took down a tiger but couldn't kill 2 men in a burning room because of plot armor and poo poo writing

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.
So, it was supposed to be a big deal that some strange lady shows up and has plans on how to build a bunch of medieval stuff, but um.... The Hilltop was a Colonial Ea recreation park that had a library inside, there's zero chance they don't already have most of this information in some shape or form, and maybe even updated a few centuries! And, let's say the Hilltop didn't have any information on period technology/construction. It's only been a few years since the world ended, information is still not a bottleneck, libraries still exist.

Bonus points for Jadis apparently wandering directly to Negan's location despite her having no way of knowing he'd be there, and that even Negan had no idea he'd be there since this wasn't part of the plan. I wonder if the actors even ask about continuity anymore. "Why did I go to this random building that Rick and Negan wander around in the basement of (a basement with an outdoor window) and then knock out Negan, load him into my car, drive off, all before Rick manages to get outside despite being right on his heels chasing him?"

JossiRossi fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Mar 19, 2018

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

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Dinosaur Gum
Flopping out of her comically large van as an entrance was weird

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

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There are bullets and gasoline everywhere but not one survival book or army manual survived the apocalypse.

They could have made it so these people had something more practical to trade, like some constructed turbines. Maybe that sets up a Jericho-like situation where they have to decide whether or not to steal them from this other group. Also, why make a new faction when they just killed off the trashpeople? Couldn't this just have been what the trash people were hiding and...

oh gently caress it

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

JossiRossi posted:

So, it was supposed to be a big deal that some strange lady shows up and has plans on how to build a bunch of medieval stuff, but um.... The Hilltop was a Colonial Ea recreation park that had a library inside, there's zero chance they don't already have most of this information in some shape or form, and maybe even updated a few centuries! And, let's say the Hilltop didn't have any information on period technology/construction. It's only been a few years since the world ended, information is still not a bottleneck, libraries still exist.

If 7 Days to Die taught me one other thing (Besides how to make zombie guts into candles) It's that books containing valuable life-saving information just randomly spawn on bookshelves and trading posts. Hilltop didn't get the farming recipes but they know how to make crossbows with exploding arrows

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.
I've never felt like a show was actively disrespectful to their viewers before, but this feels like they are doing as little work and spending as little money as possible and knowing people will just eat up their literal poo poo.

"Do we want to try and make this logical?"

"No. We'll do nonsense and just make Hardwick claim they are exciting twists"

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

JossiRossi posted:

I've never felt like a show was actively disrespectful to their viewers before, but this feels like they are doing as little work and spending as little money as possible and knowing people will just eat up their literal poo poo.

"Do we want to try and make this logical?"

"No. We'll do nonsense and just make Hardwick claim they are exciting twists"

Someone earlier in the thread said it best: "It's the show that hate-watches you back."

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Tenzarin posted:

And we dont even get to see it happen?

They learned their lesson from the van flip. If you can't do it right, don't do it

Jesus Christ, they must have been at Alexandria for a few years given Judith's age now...like four years

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Mar 19, 2018

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

moist turtleneck posted:

The Walking Dead S7 - Flopping out of her comically large van

More enjoyment than I get out of this show.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


SocketWrench posted:

They learned their lesson from the van flip. If you can't do it right, don't do it

Jesus Christ, they must have been at Alexandria for a few years given Judith's age now...like four years

Maggie actually miscarried 2 years ago and they are all letting her keep imagining she is pregnant because they're scared of her.

Edit: If Fear The Walking Dead can apparently mix up it's locations so much is there a reason why the main show is still stuff having most action outside the settlements happen on the same small section of country road. I remember how great the promise was when they first reached Washington and there was a great establishing shot showing DC decaying in the distance. Even if they can't recreate some iconic locations well surely they could do something to make this look like the outskirts of a major city rather than bumfuck Georgia.

Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Mar 19, 2018

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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The show had a major plot point with a 20 foot high landfill when piles of garbage landfills don't actually still exist anymore. I wouldn't put much into the reality factor outside of fear the walking dead.

Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Mar 19, 2018

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Tenzarin posted:

The show had a major plot point with a 20 foot high landfill when piles of garbage landfills don't actually still exist anymore. I wouldn't put much into the reality factor outside of fear the walking dead.

That's a good point.

Screw the comics, just cut randomly to Negan having turned the Oval Office into where he keeps his harem.

Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Mar 20, 2018

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




can someone tell Gimple that deus ex machina type plot advancements are not a stable foundation to build a world around?

Rick also got Negan once or twice with a full swing of Lucille and he just batted it off, even though.. it's covered in barbed wire?

the best part of this episode was the five seconds of Jerry, but even he's thinking "get me the gently caress off this show"

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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Johnny Truant posted:


Rick also got Negan once or twice with a full swing of Lucille and he just batted it off, even though.. it's covered in barbed wire?


Lmao glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Lucile is supposed to be this killer bat but Negan's just shrugged it off like he was getting hit by a styrofoam bat....which is probably what the actual prop was. Getting hit square in the chest with a wooden bat is going to put you down, with or without barbed wire.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

JaySB posted:

I'd just like to remind everyone that zombies took down a tiger but couldn't kill 2 men in a burning room because of plot armor and poo poo writing

I thought to myself when the two of them got into a huge fight this episode, "This has as much tension as Bugs Bunny being hunted down by Elmer Fudd. Wick isn't going to catch that waskly Negan." Zero tension as they proceed to have a Spy vs Spy cartoon fight with each other, making constant dumb decisions.

My favorite is Rick, who decides to commit suicide by ramming Negan out of his convoy, keeps taunting Negan about how his people aren't coming and how they don't respect him. This is loving hilarious because Rick should be assuming his people are coming and he's about to be hosed by a mob of saviors! He totally has loving meta psychic knowledge of the plot I guess!

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot
Isn't this like the 10th time they have a life or death tussle and both just run away like idiots at the end?

Rick can't aim worth poo poo. I guess the police academy he attended was the one with Mahoney and that black guy who makes all those goofy noises.


EDIT: I'm watching the clip with the "car chase" and I just can't even understand what I'm looking at. It's just so... unimpressive that I'm not sure what they are trying to show here.

Gortarius fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Mar 19, 2018

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Gortarius posted:

Isn't this like the 10th time they have a life or death tussle and both just run away like idiots at the end?

Rick can't aim worth poo poo. I guess the police academy he attended was the one with Mahoney and that black guy who makes all those goofy noises.

I honestly don't know why Rick didn't just reload his loving gun throughout the whole fight. Did he only have 6 bullets PERIOD?

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

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Dinosaur Gum
I only flipped through the episode last night, but it's sounding more and more like a good episode to sort of pay attention to when working out

I'm glad there's enough room for two female hippy communes on the show

And Jadis better take Negan to Rick. Hopefully she knows to go to Hilltop and not Alexandria...Or is she gonna use the jail cell in Alexandria? And start covering the streets in couch cushions and power wheels?

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

The dumb Rick vs. Negan plot armor bonanza annoyed me right off the bat (heh) when Rick fired like a billion bullets from 100 feet away at the overturned car without seeing Negan. This made Negan run for his life because he realized Rick was coming.

Like, it would have been a simple kill to quietly walk up to the car, see Negan groggily waking up from the crash, and put a dozen bullets in him from 5 feet away.

It was more like an A-Team/GI Joe fight where no one gets hit.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




Auron posted:

Lmao glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Lucile is supposed to be this killer bat but Negan's just shrugged it off like he was getting hit by a styrofoam bat....which is probably what the actual prop was. Getting hit square in the chest with a wooden bat is going to put you down, with or without barbed wire.

*huge giant speech where I think Negan literally said "EVEN JUST A SCRATCH AND THEY'RE DONE"*
*gets full on Sammy Sosa'd multiple times*

Ha ha! I live to fight another day!

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Holy poo poo this episode and not in a good way, how the hell are these people still employed

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Johnny Truant posted:

can someone tell Gimple that deus ex machina type plot advancements are not a stable foundation to build a world around?

Rick also got Negan once or twice with a full swing of Lucille and he just batted it off, even though.. it's covered in barbed wire?

the best part of this episode was the five seconds of Jerry, but even he's thinking "get me the gently caress off this show"

I rolled my eyes where Rick says "You're gonna kill us both". Just step out of the room and let him die or come for you, poo poo

Blazing Ownager posted:

I thought to myself when the two of them got into a huge fight this episode, "This has as much tension as Bugs Bunny being hunted down by Elmer Fudd. Wick isn't going to catch that waskly Negan." Zero tension as they proceed to have a Spy vs Spy cartoon fight with each other, making constant dumb decisions.

My favorite is Rick, who decides to commit suicide by ramming Negan out of his convoy, keeps taunting Negan about how his people aren't coming and how they don't respect him. This is loving hilarious because Rick should be assuming his people are coming and he's about to be hosed by a mob of saviors! He totally has loving meta psychic knowledge of the plot I guess!

And zero damage to that mustang for it

Blazing Ownager posted:

I honestly don't know why Rick didn't just reload his loving gun throughout the whole fight. Did he only have 6 bullets PERIOD?

I want to know why they couldn't spot the AK he threw away right outside the building directly behind the car. You know, aside from Jadis being Super Dawg the Bounty Hunter

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Mar 19, 2018

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

I had a thought watching this episode thinking how the second half of this season (beginning with Carl's death) could have had an interesting arc to it:

Why not start every episode with a character reading Carl's letter to them and over the course of the show, have them grow in the way he wished? It would give some weight to his death and pull Rick's group back from the bad Savior-esque path they've been headed down. Maggie kinda had to make that decision this episode, although it was a basic video gamey "more reward, but reputation loss" vs. "less reward, reputation gain" choice.

The problem is that there are just so many directors and writers and they don't coordinate at all with each other, leading to odd character behavior and stylistic choices (like giving names to episode segments in a previous episode or doing stuff in black and white last season). They'd never be able to maintain a consistent theme or framing device like Carl's letters.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Blazing Ownager posted:

I honestly don't know why Rick didn't just reload his loving gun throughout the whole fight. Did he only have 6 bullets PERIOD?

Six bullets. More than enough to kill anything that moves. Slowly. I can't hit poo poo if it moves faster than a shambling human corpse.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

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JazzFlight posted:

I had a thought watching this episode thinking how the second half of this season (beginning with Carl's death) could have had an interesting arc to it:

Why not start every episode with a character reading Carl's letter to them and over the course of the show, have them grow in the way he wished? It would give some weight to his death and pull Rick's group back from the bad Savior-esque path they've been headed down. Maggie kinda had to make that decision this episode, although it was a basic video gamey "more reward, but reputation loss" vs. "less reward, reputation gain" choice.

The problem is that there are just so many directors and writers and they don't coordinate at all with each other, leading to odd character behavior and stylistic choices (like giving names to episode segments in a previous episode or doing stuff in black and white last season). They'd never be able to maintain a consistent theme or framing device like Carl's letters.

Also that would have been good and interesting. :crossarms:

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
I've only had this on in the background for the past few seasons but I just notice that Negan is planning to dip weapons in zombie gunk in order to turn people into zombies. Haven't people been getting sprayed with zombie blood and even deliberately covering themselves in zombie goop to pass themselves off as zombies since pretty much the start of the show without ever being turned into a zombie?

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

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Dinosaur Gum
Yeah but Father Gabriel cast a spell and now zombie blood is bad

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




actually I lied, my favourite part of the episode was Negan picking up not one, but two completely viable weapons in the basement and just dropping them because they're not Lucille

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

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Dinosaur Gum
When I was flipping through last night it sounded like Negan screamed for Lucille when he found out that railing was not OSHA compliant

Did I imagine it or did he personify his bat even when he wasn't practicing for limbo in front of the saviors?

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Rick also personified the bat too. Lucille is integral to the show.

big trivia FAIL
May 9, 2003

"Jorge wants to be hardcore,
but his mom won't let him"

you can see the trash heap filming location in google maps - it looks just as pitiful from space as it does on the show.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
I would immediately distrust anyone that looks like a lesbian Rich Texan in the apocalypse.

Sulman
Apr 29, 2003

What did you do that for?

Shneak posted:

I would immediately distrust anyone that looks like a lesbian Rich Texan in the apocalypse.

My first thought was that she was doing Eugene's shtick. It sounded so similar.

There's something very odd happening in that writing room. It's as if they've simply resigned to not making any sense at all. The last Forbes review hinted that the show has finally made it to the point where cancelling it is an act of kindness.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

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Dinosaur Gum
I really hope that lady turns into the new Negan but with helicopters and poo poo and blows up old Negan

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

moist turtleneck posted:

I really hope that lady turns into the new Negan but with helicopters and poo poo and blows up old Negan

My money is on them killing her off within 10 eps.

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moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

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Dinosaur Gum
Supposedly she's gonna be the start of the NWO of happy settlements but she probably won't show up for a while

Also, do they still have prisoners at Hilltop? Wouldn't that kinda be a red flag for this group that likes to deem other groups good or bad?

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