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tao of lmao posted:Is there a single Unitied fan who wants to keep Fellaini? Seems the manager is the only guy who wants him and he’s dying to leave. If he was cheap I'd say keep him for emergencies, but I'd want to pay him less than he makes now, not more. Martial out would be a loving disaster. Mata should be kept as well. His record this season when starting is stellar.
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kcer posted:conversely, I can't remember the last time I saw shaw play and thought he was particularly good He was good against Bournemouth and CSKA, beyond that he's been sitting on the bench being slagged off by Mourinho. Imagine if he got to play football what he could achieve!
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Mar 19, 2018 16:34
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lol that Jose wants to get rid of Mata again
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Mar 19, 2018 18:08
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United have something like an 80% win percentage with Mata and a 40% without. Mental Mourinho would want to get rid. I saw someone say today that they should get rid of Mourinho at this point for the good of the team.
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Mar 19, 2018 18:46
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Didn’t Jose talk about what a great buy Mata was just like last week?
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Mar 19, 2018 18:46
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I hope Jose goes to whatever club he sells Mata too then sells him again
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Mar 19, 2018 19:18
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EvilHawk posted:United have something like an 80% win percentage with Mata and a 40% without. Mental Mourinho would want to get rid. I saw someone say today that they should get rid of Mourinho at this point for the good of the team. Is this because Mata only gets played against weak teams because Jose doesn't like him enough to put him in the first choice XI?
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Mar 19, 2018 20:04
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Jota posted:I hope Jose goes to whatever club he sells Mata too then sells him again 5 years from now mata is starring for guangzhou or doha or something and HERE COMES JOSE
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Mar 19, 2018 20:07
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Mata is a weak little pussy who has to be accomodated in the team and I hope he stays at Man United
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Mar 19, 2018 21:20
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Maybe Mourinho should bring Shinji home to Manchester. #Kagawaback.
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Mar 19, 2018 22:09
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What was his preferred position, anyway?
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Sphyre posted:What was his preferred position, anyway? As a number 10 but that role doesn't really exist in that sense anymore. He, much like Mkhitaryan, are also reliant on having water carriers behind them so they don't have to worry about any defensive responsibility.
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Mar 20, 2018 01:25
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I believe Mkhitaryan is averaging over 2 successful tackles/game with Arsenal so far, not bad for one of their front 3
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Mar 20, 2018 02:41
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i think there is a long list of attackers that dont do their full duty defensively
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Mar 20, 2018 03:51
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I hope Mourinho stays at United forever
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Mar 20, 2018 05:00
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No, any number of more entertaining options available. Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Giggs... really any former United player. Instant hilarity. Imagine an inspirational halftime speech from Paul Scholes.
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Ewar Woowar posted:I hope Mourinho stays at United forever a manager who wins them trophies what a nightmare
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Vinestalk posted:No, any number of more entertaining options available. Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Giggs... really any former United player. Instant hilarity. Imagine an inspirational halftime speech from Paul Scholes. You joke but a semi autistic *shuffles feet* "Well er cmon lads that's just not really good enough for Manchester United is it?" would probably be received better than Mourinho's character assassinations in the press. If my memory serves me correctly, it takes Luke Shaw a while to get back up to fitness and form after time out, van Gaal took a while to trust him and be willing to play him as well. Mourinho clearly does not have that sort of patience at the moment and with the form Young is in, why should he have? The making GBS threads on players in the press though, if it was Just Ferguson that doesn't do that I could maybe think "hmm well he's just different" but I'm struggling to think of another manager that routinely names individuals and throws them under a bus. It wasn't that long ago Mourinho was waxing lyrical about "winning together, losing together" and now recently he apparently told the players that when they win, they all win, but when they lose he's the one that loses. I can SORT OF see what he means there, in that he's the one that comes under the pressure and press attention etc etc, but that's not the sort of  that should be going on in the dressing room.It's like he's still struggling to please all people (play attacking football, play the younger players, don't lose) and stick to what he knows works for him (be loving bloody minded on the pitch, don't lose at all costs) and this is how he vents his frustrations. Football Ramble likened it to what happened at Real Madrid and it's certainly got parallels, except for a league title  None if this is a boo hoo we've only won the League Cup and Europa League, trophies are trophies, but silverware or not that's not how you get the best out of players, certainly not younger players already low on confidence.
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Football Ramble also pointed out he knows he's hosed because what other big club is going to take him, so we're in the Mourinho death spiral right now. I'd love him to go to Arsenal and give them the boring statistically dependable football Wenger hasn't and have them all crying for Arsene again
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Mar 20, 2018 09:43
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vyelkin posted:Is this because Mata only gets played against weak teams because Jose doesn't like him enough to put him in the first choice XI? that sounds like something you learned from watching games and putting results into a wider context, it has no place in the world of advanced stats.
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Strawman posted:that sounds like something you learned from watching games and putting results into a wider context, it has no place in the world of advanced stats. Thing is, cohesion and transition from midfield to attack has appeared visibly better whenever Mata has been involved or subbed on. Mata's only "wtf why?" moment I can recall was the attempt at the spectacular overhead kick against Liverpool when he had half a pitch of space around him and time to take it down and bury it or at least force a save.
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Mar 20, 2018 11:27
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Idk if this stat is advanced or not but Mata has 3 goals in 35 appearances this season.
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Mar 20, 2018 11:35
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if you're going to point fingers re: united not scoring goals i think big match rom is a better target than mata
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Mar 20, 2018 11:59
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Eau de MacGowan posted:if you're going to point fingers re: united not scoring goals i think big match rom is a better target than mata  this seems an odd finger to point considering he's got over 20 for the season.
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Mar 20, 2018 12:10
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Lukaku has 25 goals. 25 is a lot more than 3.
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Mar 20, 2018 12:11
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Football Ramble also pointed out he knows he's hosed because what other big club is going to take him, so we're in the Mourinho death spiral right now. Nailed on for PSG at some stage, surely?
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Mar 20, 2018 12:28
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blue footed boobie posted:Didn’t Jose talk about what a great buy Mata was just like last week? Jose talks a lot of poo poo. He's been saying that Luke Shaw has a bright and long future ahead of him at United, then almost never gives him games. He's talked up Martial, but is now seemingly getting rid of him. I'm not surprised the players aren't putting in consistently good performances, because as Ninpo points out, this is largely a young squad and young squads don't tend to have a lot of self-confidence, especially when members of said squad are -- for example -- coming back from potential career ending injuries and have their manager talk poo poo about them in front of the press for being pussies who ask to be taken off when their formerly broken leg gets injured during a game. Basically at this point gently caress Jose Mourinho. I don't care if United are second in the table and playing for the FA Cup, I can't stand his bullshit approach to management and wish he'd take his retarded mentality to PSG or something. And yes, getting rid of Mata would be insane.
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vyelkin posted:Is this because Mata only gets played against weak teams because Jose doesn't like him enough to put him in the first choice XI? Surely the reason is against "better teams" the setup is significantly more defensive
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fat gay nonce posted:Surely the reason is against "better teams" the setup is significantly more defensive That too. For all the poo poo Lukaku got about "big games", the ones we've broken tradition on at Old Trafford (Liverpool, Chelsea) and actually attacked, Lukaku has delivered. He cuts a very lonely figure in the matches like the one against City.
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Mar 20, 2018 13:34
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lol https://twitter.com/MsiDouglas/status/976051578410012672
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I am enjoying Klopp ball, but I would gladly endure some Mourinho meltdowns if it got some new trophies in the cabinet. I’m a bad human being, though. What are the rules in place right now? Don’t many English teams have betting sponsors?
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Brony Car posted:What are the rules in place right now? Don’t many English teams have betting sponsors? It's gotta be because it's the U-18's. Illegal to bet at that age, etc.
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Gigi Galli posted:It's gotta be because it's the U-18's. Illegal to bet at that age, etc. Seems unfair. If you cared about eliminating toxic gambling culture, you’d outlaw Pokemon and video games. The hard working bookie shouldn’t be suffering as a result of the poor parenting in Broken Britain.
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Brony Car posted:Seems unfair. If you cared about eliminating toxic gambling culture, you’d outlaw Pokemon and video games. The hard working bookie shouldn’t be suffering as a result of the poor parenting in Broken Britain. shut up
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Brony Car posted:I am enjoying Klopp ball, but I would gladly endure some Mourinho meltdowns if it got some new trophies in the cabinet.
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Mar 20, 2018 15:29
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cannot get my head around the logic here, yeah he wins us trophies and yeah he's getting us the results, but he was mean to luke shaw so I hope he fucks off???
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kcer posted:cannot get my head around the logic here, yeah he wins us trophies and yeah he's getting us the results, but he was mean to luke shaw so I hope he fucks off??? Doesn't seem ridiculous to dislike having a manager who acts bigger than the club
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Mar 20, 2018 17:58
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this is still tame Jose behaviour. things will get worse and the negatives will start showing up every day in the media. lol to the united fans concerned now, it’s just starting.
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Mar 20, 2018 18:04
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Judging by how Conte is reacting currently it seems mourinho had a point at Chelsea
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hadji murad posted:this is still tame Jose behaviour. things will get worse and the negatives will start showing up every day in the media. lol to the united fans concerned now, it’s just starting. For real. Given that season 3 is the typical Jose meltdown season, his stint with United is shaping up to end with a real banger.
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