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SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

The Illinois primaries are tomorrow and I've done basically zero research. I'm in IL-5/Sen District 20/Rep District 40.

How should I vote if I want maximum gay space communism?

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Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

SirPhoebos posted:

The Illinois primaries are tomorrow and I've done basically zero research. I'm in IL-5/Sen District 20/Rep District 40.

How should I vote if I want maximum gay space communism?

You have an internet connection. Newspapers usually have sample ballots available, so you can see who is running.

Google their names and see who you like.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

evilweasel posted:

Cuomo is fairly ruthlessly competent in a sort of amoral and occasionally extremely old-time machine politics corrupt way. But politically he is very, very, very middle of the road and has been :effort: about working to recapture the NY legislature and has at times seemed to prefer having republicans control it so that he doesn't need to be pushed left at all. He badly wants to run for President and would be a terrible candidate. He has done some very good stuff like came down like a sack of bricks on gun nuts in the aftermath of the sandy hook shooting, has pushed to improve the MTA somewhat and has tried to work on infrastructure projects (however there's a strong tendency towards budget gimmicks instead of spending money, and not actually stamping out the hilarious corruption that makes subways cost 5x-10x per mile what it costs in any other developed city on the planet). But he also routinely has childish fights with NYC's mayor (who is basically the epitome of "good positions, terrible at governing") that are a pain in the rear end.

One of the problems with Cuomo is that his "fix the MTA" and "fix the NYCHA" and "fix Upstate" all end up being "I will undermine whoever is doing it now, swoop into the rescue, then funnel public money at my cronies to ostensibly do it with as little oversight and follow-through I can get away with." There's a big set of trials in Albany, most recent one leading to a conviction on half the counts, of his various associates related to Upstate ventures which have consistently flopped.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

I'm kind of curious when candidates in Utah are going to notice Mitt Romney's fingers on the destruction of Toys 'R' Us. Plus the iHeart/Clearchannel bankruptcy, but that's a reorganization so I doubt anyone will care.

edit: I think Romney wasn't actually around when Bain organized the Toys R Us LBO, but that sort of detail seems easy enough to "accidentally" lose in a tv ad.

evilweasel fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Mar 20, 2018

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

evilweasel posted:

I'm kind of curious when candidates in Utah are going to notice Mitt Romney's fingers on the destruction of Toys 'R' Us. Plus the iHeart/Clearchannel bankruptcy, but that's a reorganization so I doubt anyone will care.

edit: I think Romney wasn't actually around when Bain organized the Toys R Us LBO, but that sort of detail seems easy enough to "accidentally" lose in a tv ad.

Unless footage comes out of Mitt diddling a child, he's going to be the next senator from Utah. Nobody there who would vote for him would care if he had a hand in ruining companies. He's a tall wealthy Mormon guy and that's what matters.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
...it does nothing.

evilweasel posted:

I'm kind of curious when candidates in Utah are going to notice Mitt Romney's fingers on the destruction of Toys 'R' Us. Plus the iHeart/Clearchannel bankruptcy, but that's a reorganization so I doubt anyone will care.

edit: I think Romney wasn't actually around when Bain organized the Toys R Us LBO, but that sort of detail seems easy enough to "accidentally" lose in a tv ad.
Nobody in Utah will care about TRU. He's a successful businessman, Mormon, and a lot of people there felt like he was robbed of the presidency.

That said, if another successful Mormon businessman were to throw his* hat in the ring, things could get interesting.

* There are some successful Mormon businesswomen, but this being Utah I'm not sure how they'd fare in a primary up against Mitt.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
lol, she's still bitter over losing
https://twitter.com/THR/status/976153167154040832

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

What qualifications do you even need to be a lesbian, I thought it was pretty simple

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

VitalSigns posted:

What qualifications do you even need to be a lesbian, I thought it was pretty simple

She's actually been a straight woman all along :ssh:

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




evilweasel posted:

Plus the iHeart/Clearchannel bankruptcy, but that's a reorganization so I doubt anyone will care.

Wait, iHeartMedia was ClearChannel? All of the sudden this bankruptcy fills me with schadenfreude...

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

VitalSigns posted:

What qualifications do you even need to be a lesbian, I thought it was pretty simple

She missed the exams, she’s lesbianing without a license.

Real talk gently caress that lady, what a jerk.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

VikingofRock posted:

Wait, iHeartMedia was ClearChannel? All of the sudden this bankruptcy fills me with schadenfreude...

yeah, since radio is a dying business they rebranded. but it's the sort of bankruptcy where the stockholders get wiped out, the lenders become the new stockholders, and the company goes on without much change except they have less debt.

schmitty9800
Feb 10, 2003

SirPhoebos posted:

The Illinois primaries are tomorrow and I've done basically zero research. I'm in IL-5/Sen District 20/Rep District 40.

How should I vote if I want maximum gay space communism?

It's a little late (polls close in 1 hour) but the Suntimes Editorial Board did a pretty good Q&A with a lot of candidates, google the name and Suntimes and you'll see them. Here's your incumbent's (Quigley)

https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/5th-congressional-district-democratic-candidate-mike-quigley-2018-illinois-primary/

You had the "cannibis candidate" in your district who apparently was lying about being a professor, lying about being in the FBI, lying about being at the Pentagon 9/11, and also apparently stood on a woman's chest? https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2018/03/08/i-fell-in-love-with-the-cannabis-candidate-then-i-got-burned

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ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Lightning Knight posted:

She missed the exams, she’s lesbianing without a license.

Real talk gently caress that lady, what a jerk.

That's not even the best part, it's the back to back doublespeak praising Cuomo for two ideas that completely nullify one another.

Well, it's the funniest part, I guess.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

evilweasel posted:

I'm kind of curious when candidates in Utah are going to notice Mitt Romney's fingers on the destruction of Toys 'R' Us. Plus the iHeart/Clearchannel bankruptcy, but that's a reorganization so I doubt anyone will care.

edit: I think Romney wasn't actually around when Bain organized the Toys R Us LBO, but that sort of detail seems easy enough to "accidentally" lose in a tv ad.

The level of cartoon villainry that Bain has gotten up to came up a lot during his presidential run. There were people arguing that he only founded the company and that the worst offenses happened after he had no influence but it really didn't accomplish much; that company has always been lovely and greedy. That's a stain Romney will never be able to fully wash away. Hardcore Republicans probably won't care but the guy has been involved in economic piracy. Hard to say he worked for his fortune when Bain just runs around pillaging everything it can get its hands on.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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evilweasel posted:

Cuomo is fairly ruthlessly competent in a sort of amoral and occasionally extremely old-time machine politics corrupt way. But politically he is very, very, very middle of the road and has been :effort: about working to recapture the NY legislature and has at times seemed to prefer having republicans control it so that he doesn't need to be pushed left at all. He badly wants to run for President and would be a terrible candidate. He has done some very good stuff like came down like a sack of bricks on gun nuts in the aftermath of the sandy hook shooting, has pushed to improve the MTA somewhat and has tried to work on infrastructure projects (however there's a strong tendency towards budget gimmicks instead of spending money, and not actually stamping out the hilarious corruption that makes subways cost 5x-10x per mile what it costs in any other developed city on the planet). But he also routinely has childish fights with NYC's mayor (who is basically the epitome of "good positions, terrible at governing") that are a pain in the rear end.

He's single handedly staying in the way of unified Democratic government in the state by supporting "democrats" who caucus with republicans. He will give Liberals crumbs but he's standing in the way of basically any progressive achievements in the state. He's also a blatantly corrupt, horrible person.

evilweasel posted:

I disagree. Especially as you get more local, there's a lot of stuff a mayor or governor needs to do that aren't ideological and just need to be done competently. I don't care how competent a legislator is, I care that they vote the right way. But a mayor or a governor has a lot of actual running stuff they need to do, and if they're bad managers and generally incompetent at getting stuff done, that's bad. The NY governor controls New York City's subway system and a lot of other mass transit stuff, and those organizations are poorly run and hilariously corrupt: fixing that is an issue that doesn't really fit into an ideological niche nearly as much as just general competence. Cuomo did well to a certain degree with that (getting the 2nd Avenue Subway up and running "on time" after its fourth delay) but has been very bad in others (still denying it sufficient funding and not doing a good job scooping out the hilarious corruption, in large part because he's a very competent machine politician who likes corruption).

That's especially important if the various "Independent Democratic Caucus" traitors can't be voted out, since then the governor isn't going to be doing all that much legislating so it doesn't much matter what positions (s)he has. Executives need to be competent. They do a lot of actual managing things and non-ideological decisions in addition to more purely political stuff.

Personnel is policy. I trust the people Cynthia Nixon would hire 1000x more than the thugs and goons who work for Cuomo.

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Mar 21, 2018

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

mcmagic posted:

Personnel is policy. I trust the people Cynthia Nixon would hire 1000x more than the thugs and goons who work for Cuomo.

This. He's like Ulysses S. Grant without the charm.

Spiffster
Oct 7, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...


Lipstick Apathy
Was hoping Marie Newman was going to overthrow the Lipinski... :sigh:

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Spiffster posted:

Was hoping Marie Newman was going to overthrow the Lipinski... :sigh:

It's gonna come down to like 1000 votes... Ugh.

ILL Dems also nominated a neo liberal trust fund oligarch for Gov. So poo poo night all around.

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Mar 21, 2018

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

The only shining moment in IL politics was voting out Joe Berrios for Cook County Assessor. Everything else was mostly a disappointment.

I get to have my choice of billionaires for governor, woo.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006
https://twitter.com/dylanlscott/status/976445773327093760

Dem in TN-SEN is up 5 points, 46-41!

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002


Wow. I'd assumed that was a longshot but that really puts the Senate in play.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

evilweasel posted:

Wow. I'd assumed that was a longshot but that really puts the Senate in play.

Bredesen was a very popular governor. I figured he'd have a shot. Blackburn is a lunatic, as well, which helps.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

evilweasel posted:

Wow. I'd assumed that was a longshot but that really puts the Senate in play.

Yeah if TN is in play maybe we can start hoping for the Senate. It makes the math a lot easier as if you win TN you can afford to lose one of ND/IN/MO/WV instead of needing to run the table.

I'm of course assuming we pick up AZ and NV already.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Re:Senate... We still don't know whats going to happen with the 2 MS races plus there will PROBABLY be 2 seats open in AZ too. 3 of those 4 could flip in this climate.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006
https://twitter.com/TheNVIndy/status/976308032807215104

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/976308429684817920

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/976311814764941312

oh my god it gets better. Dirty Dean Heller is 24 points underwater in favorability and already losing by 5.

Wrap it up Deanailures.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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axeil posted:

https://twitter.com/TheNVIndy/status/976308032807215104

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/976308429684817920

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/976311814764941312

oh my god it gets better. Dirty Dean Heller is 24 points underwater in favorability and already losing by 5.

Wrap it up Deanailures.

He's done.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011


Laughing my rear end off that Republicans spent 8 years attacking Obamacare from the left and promising everyone they have a super-secret plan to fix it, then getting into power, scribbling "gently caress you" on a napkin and trying to pass it thinking people weren't going to be pissed.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

VitalSigns posted:

Laughing my rear end off that Republicans spent 8 years attacking Obamacare from the left and promising everyone they have a super-secret plan to fix it, then getting into power, scribbling "gently caress you" on a napkin and trying to pass it thinking people weren't going to be pissed.

The really funny part is that outside observers were all pretty drat sure this was going to happen because Obamacare was the original GOP healthcare plan from the 90s. You either have to argue healthcare isn't a right which uh, good luck, or you're stuck with what happened with the GOP where they scream about it, get power, and realize they can't do poo poo.

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
Getting Bredesen to run was a massive get for Tennessee Dems. He was extremely popular as a Governor with mostly moderate stances that attracted a lot of Republicans. He brought the Titans and Predators franchises into town, and was instrumental in making downtown Nashville a popular tourist attraction instead of a skeevy place you wouldn't want to venture to.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares



:holy: there's a name I haven't seen in....my god has it been twenty years?

Really popular mayor of Nashville when my husband lived there, and he didn't piss off bumpkin TN to boot.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

axeil posted:

The really funny part is that outside observers were all pretty drat sure this was going to happen because Obamacare was the original GOP healthcare plan from the 90s. You either have to argue healthcare isn't a right which uh, good luck, or you're stuck with what happened with the GOP where they scream about it, get power, and realize they can't do poo poo.

If they had just expanded Medicaid in red states and said "gently caress the deficit" and dumped money into the subsidies until exchange plans became affordable they would have ruled the country for a generation. After election night I was worried Trump might not have been lying about everything and we were about to get whites-only socialism.

But nope every bit of extra deficit spending had to go to the oligarchs, they could not help themselves from trying to kill 2/3 of the country.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


VitalSigns posted:

After election night I was worried Trump might not have been lying about everything and we were about to get whites-only socialism.

I was also basically looking at the version of Trump as interpreted by a pair of Bern>Trump crossover voters who interpreted Bernie first as an isolationist and Trump first as a populist with an actual spine for populism. I was similarly concerned that, with a little bribery and enough anti-immigration action to make any improvements in quality of life attributable to "we secured 'are borders," a ruling class of comfortable-enough, employed-enough, white heteronormative Americans could have locked us down for the coming decade.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Bird in a Blender posted:

The only shining moment in IL politics was voting out Joe Berrios for Cook County Assessor. Everything else was mostly a disappointment.

One other shining moment: It's a very minor victory since it was only in a handful of precincts, but the referendum to lift the ban on rent control got >75% support.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

CaptainRightful posted:

One other shining moment: It's a very minor victory since it was only in a handful of precincts, but the referendum to lift the ban on rent control got >75% support.

I say this a lot, but the referendums in Illinois don't mean poo poo. They are non-binding, and essentially just an official poll of the public. They can be used to try and sway politicians towards one side of an issue, but we're still reliant on somebody actually passing a law, so really nothing has changed yet.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Bird in a Blender posted:

I say this a lot, but the referendums in Illinois don't mean poo poo. They are non-binding, and essentially just an official poll of the public. They can be used to try and sway politicians towards one side of an issue, but we're still reliant on somebody actually passing a law, so really nothing has changed yet.

Yeah, that's why I said "very minor". But at least now the issue is in the public eye with significant support among those who voted.

Grammarchist
Jan 28, 2013

What I can't get over is how close to 50% Bredesen's getting. Is there a credible Libertarian in Tennessee, or do they even allow third parties on the ballot? I imagine his path to victory is eeking out 49% win like Tester managed to do. Still, good news.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Demon Of The Fall posted:

Getting Bredesen to run was a massive get for Tennessee Dems. He was extremely popular as a Governor with mostly moderate stances that attracted a lot of Republicans. He brought the Titans and Predators franchises into town, and was instrumental in making downtown Nashville a popular tourist attraction instead of a skeevy place you wouldn't want to venture to.

and he's a former insurance company exec who kicked about 200,000 people off medicaid

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

VitalSigns posted:

After election night I was worried Trump might not have been lying about everything and we were about to get whites-only socialism.

RIP Steve Bannon: Not Nearly As Much Of A Mastermind As He Thought He Was

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ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

GreyjoyBastard posted:

RIP Steve Bannon: Not Nearly As Much Of A Mastermind As He Thought He Was

All according to Bannon's plan.

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