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Concerned Citizen posted:whatever lol you were a part of the biggest fail campaign in american history
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Mar 21, 2018 17:21
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Concerned Citizen posted:it is sad that it is impossible for progressives to win elections, i hope one day bernie sanders manages to beat the system and become us senator Bing bong its simple: Oprah's rich, so that proves there is absolutely no systemic problems and poor black people are just lazy. Bing bong, also there are no complex systems with multiple affects, everything can be completely understood by rote simplicity. I mean everyone [in politics] keeps saying that politics is 1. Court big donors 2. something something 3. Pass legislation grossly in favor of those big donors Its amazing how you and other lanyards firmly believe (and will occasionally outright say) that the campaign that spends the most money wins. Then they will turn around, doublethink, and make some disingenuous dig "if only you'd had more votes," as if it were ideology and politics that determined campaigns and not predominantly money.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:22
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How does one go about starting Communism?
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Mar 21, 2018 17:23
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Reverend Dr posted:Its amazing how you and other lanyards firmly believe (and will occasionally outright say) that the campaign that spends the most money wins. especially after they just lost by taking gigantic piles of corporate donor cash and essentially burning it in a giant pile
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Mar 21, 2018 17:25
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yard signs: a waste of money, does nothing spending millions on tv ads in california to run up the general vote counts on trump: money well spent, consultant approved decision
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Mar 21, 2018 17:27
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Reverend Dr posted:Bing bong its simple: Oprah's rich, so that proves there is absolutely no systemic problems and poor black people are just lazy. Bing bong, also there are no complex systems with multiple affects, everything can be completely understood by rote simplicity. here is a thing that is not complex: there aren't enough people who are leftist for leftists to consistently win, and fixing that requires leftists to actually acknowledge this reality. looking at candidates like randy bryce that are getting red carpet treatments, or bernie who is an elected senator, or people like keith ellison, the idea that leftists are locked out of government is just false. the problem is there are not enough people who find leftist message frames appealing. if your goal is to win electorally, that's a problem. quote:I mean everyone [in politics] keeps saying that politics is the campaign that spends the most money does not always win, as evidenced by the fact that the billionaire incumbent governor in illinois was nearly knocked off by someone that barely spent any money
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Mar 21, 2018 17:32
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self unaware posted:lol you were a part of the biggest fail campaign in american history i briefly worked for hillary during the primary and then left for a campaign that was not bad, and won
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Mar 21, 2018 17:33
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Concerned Citizen posted:here is a thing that is not complex: there aren't enough people who are leftist for leftists to consistently win, and fixing that requires leftists to actually acknowledge this reality. looking at candidates like randy bryce that are getting red carpet treatments, or bernie who is an elected senator, or people like keith ellison, the idea that leftists are locked out of government is just false. the problem is there are not enough people who find leftist message frames appealing. if your goal is to win electorally, that's a problem. thats a whole lot of words to be not mad online about campaign finance
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Mar 21, 2018 17:33
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Concerned Citizen posted:the campaign that spends the most money does not always win, as evidenced by the fact that the billionaire incumbent governor in illinois was nearly knocked off by someone that barely spent any money also Hillary
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Mar 21, 2018 17:33
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self unaware posted:yard signs: a waste of money, does nothing hillary didn't spend millions on tv ads in california.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:34
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Concerned Citizen posted:i briefly worked for hillary during the primary and then left for a campaign that was not bad, and won oh so you were the guy in charge of pushing donald trump as the GOP candidate during the primary to the media. always wanted to know what idiot was involved with that choice
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Mar 21, 2018 17:35
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Concerned Citizen posted:hillary didn't spend millions on tv ads in california. she did actually  she spent billions and billions of gently caress you money, hell yeah 
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Mar 21, 2018 17:35
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GalacticAcid posted:should b a gangtag for quebecois posters balloogans av, but with a beret
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Mar 21, 2018 17:35
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self unaware posted:oh so you were the guy in charge of pushing donald trump as the GOP candidate during the primary to the media. always wanted to know what idiot was involved with that choice no?
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Mar 21, 2018 17:36
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Concerned Citizen posted:i briefly worked for hillary during the primary and then left for a campaign that was not bad, and won i briefly worked for hillary during the primary and then left for a big league campaign that was great and won bigly, the EC was the biggest in American history, by the way
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Mar 21, 2018 17:37
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hmm what possible structural advantages could leftists face in a political system designed to serve the interests of the wealthy that aren't faced by political parties willing to enact the agenda of the elite? beats me, must be that the ideas are bad. have i mentioned that I'm a democratic consultant and was a part of the worst campaign in modern american history?
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Mar 21, 2018 17:37
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self unaware posted:hmm what possible structural advantages could leftists face in a political system designed to serve the interests of the wealthy that aren't faced by political parties willing to enact the agenda of the elite? No see, Americans are just intrinsically right wing.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:39
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no no no im one of the good ones I didn't work for Hillary when she was opposing the nazis, only when she was opposing the left
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Mar 21, 2018 17:39
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self unaware posted:hmm what possible structural advantages could leftists face in a political system designed to serve the interests of the wealthy that aren't faced by political parties willing to enact the agenda of the elite? my favorite thing about the whole "tea party from the left" statement is that the tea party is a bunch of people astroturfed and paid for by billionaires to take power away from their immediate left
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Mar 21, 2018 17:43
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the fact that the left has some structural disadvantages is true. getting $2700 checks makes life a lot easier, and generally, donors who write those kinds of checks aren't socialists. but it's much easier to make up this gap nowadays with small donors, and it's a thing that has been repeatedly proven to not be a death sentence. the left can compete on even enough ground to win, especially if (as they say) their message is better and more appealing. of course, if the message is not better and more appealing, or if small donors ignore your campaign, then it is very difficult to gain traction. thus the fate of virginia democrats, whose progressive candidate lost to a guy who voted for george w bush twice as national groups decided it was more important to chase a meaningless dnc chair election.Lastgirl posted:i briefly worked for hillary during the primary and then left for a big league campaign that was great and won bigly, the EC was the biggest in American history, by the way TRUMP
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Mar 21, 2018 17:43
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Concerned Citizen posted:getting $2700 checks makes life a lot easier, and generally, donors who write those kinds of checks aren't socialists. but it's much easier to make up this gap nowadays with small donors https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-01/america-s-wage-growth-remains-slow-and-uneven "It's much easier to make up the gap" he guffaws as inequality worsens
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Mar 21, 2018 17:45
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Its almost as if the establishment is okay with tokenism because they can then turnaround and leverage that to dismiss any criticisms. There was never a claim that leftists were "locked out completely" CC read that into the post and then responded to a post that wasn't made. Lanyards do this. They straw man everything. Because its either straw man everything or talk policy and gently caress, poo poo they ain't good at the latter.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:45
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Pepsi party
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Mar 21, 2018 17:45
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self unaware posted:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-01/america-s-wage-growth-remains-slow-and-uneven thanks, for this completely irrelevant article. absolutely slam dunk burns you're putting up here
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Mar 21, 2018 17:46
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Concerned Citizen posted:thanks, for this completely irrelevant article. absolutely slam dunk burns you're putting up here "actually it isn't relevant that the poor are pooerer than ever. there's more of them, you just need more donors!" he says as he cashes a six figure check from jp morgan chase
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Mar 21, 2018 17:48
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Concerned Citizen posted:the fact that the left has some structural disadvantages is true. getting $2700 checks makes life a lot easier, and generally, donors who write those kinds of checks aren't socialists. but it's much easier to make up this gap nowadays with small donors, and it's a thing that has been repeatedly proven to not be a death sentence. the left can compete on even enough ground to win, especially if (as they say) their message is better and more appealing. of course, if the message is not better and more appealing, or if small donors ignore your campaign, then it is very difficult to gain traction. thus the fate of virginia democrats, whose progressive candidate lost to a guy who voted for george w bush twice as national groups decided it was more important to chase a meaningless dnc chair election. Replace "the left" with "blacks". CC is using a republican dogwhistle with elite liberal oratory as the structure of his argument.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:49
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self unaware posted:"actually it isn't relevant that the poor are pooerer than ever. there's more of them, you just need more donors!" he says as he cashes a six figure check from jp morgan chase the party is bringing in record small donations. there was even this candidate named bernie sanders that beat hillary using almost exclusively small dollars. i mean obviously inequality is bad but it's not really relevant here
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Mar 21, 2018 17:49
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Concerned Citizen posted:the party is bringing in record small donations. there was even this candidate named bernie sanders that beat hillary using almost exclusively small dollars. i mean obviously inequality is bad but it's not really relevant here lmao yeah inequality isn't relevant 
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Mar 21, 2018 17:50
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Reverend Dr posted:Its almost as if the establishment is okay with tokenism because they can then turnaround and leverage that to dismiss any criticisms. There was never a claim that leftists were "locked out completely" CC read that into the post and then responded to a post that wasn't made. Reverend Dr posted:To elaborate. They'll let us vote as long as the significant majority of people adhere to the culture that a D or an R could be the only possible choices and anything else is "wasting" a vote. They'll let us vote as long as everytime any election is close immediately large groups of people will blame not either one of the large parties but the tiny number that vote otherwise. They'll let us vote as long as the only possible candidates in a general election were chosen by lovely party primaries. They'll let us vote as long as the livelihood of the parties remain unchecked. They'll let us vote, only when the false dilemma has already been set. They'll let us vote as long as the culture accepts and enforces the false dilemma exclusively. They'll let us vote when its a bad dem vs a standard republican. They'll let us vote on cheerleaders who will vote nearly identically in any congressional setting. Its the congressional votes that actually do stuff and they'll let us vote when its between two candidates that will both vote almost exactly the same way. interesting perspectives here, hope to see these two have a fascinating debate on their differences in views
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Mar 21, 2018 17:50
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Concerned Citizen posted:the party is bringing in record small donations. there was even this candidate named bernie sanders that beat hillary using almost exclusively small dollars. i mean obviously inequality is bad but it's not really relevant here The party keeps shooting itself despite the efforts of the candidates to redeem it.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:51
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Reverend Dr posted:Replace "the left" with "blacks". this is why i love the suck zone
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Mar 21, 2018 17:52
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year and change in and y'all still taking the bait
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Mar 21, 2018 17:52
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Serf posted:year and change in and y'all still taking the bait welcome to the suck zone baby
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Mar 21, 2018 17:53
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This is the good suck that I've been missing in my daily regimen. Thank you for your service, cc.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:54
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In the absence of bait, bait will be manufactured and put on the hook ourselves.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:54
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Concerned Citizen posted:here is a thing that is not complex: there aren't enough people who are leftist for leftists to consistently win, and fixing that requires leftists to actually acknowledge this reality. looking at candidates like randy bryce that are getting red carpet treatments, or bernie who is an elected senator, or people like keith ellison, the idea that leftists are locked out of government is just false. "Guys I found 3 lefties in all of politics, you can't possibly claim that you're not being represented in government!"
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Mar 21, 2018 17:55
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Concerned Citizen posted:i briefly worked for hillary during the primary and then left for a campaign that was not bad, and won You know those moments when you've really wondered over how something can possibly be the way it is for a long time, and then you get one more piece of the puzzle and it all suddenly makes sense again? That's me right about now.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:55
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Concerned Citizen is a racist.
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Mar 21, 2018 17:56
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punk rebel ecks posted:Concerned Citizen is a racist. oh no
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