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The writing in RPO reminds me of nothing so much as Fifty Shades. The events described in both works could, in themselves, be exciting/tense/erotic etc, but the actual words used to describe them are so unimaginative that it just comes out as "and then this thing happened, and then this happened and...". Now, in defense(!) of E.L. James, at least she actually describes the events taking place in Fifty Shades, while Cline just tells us it happened post-fact. What really bugs me is not only the constant nerd-culture references, but the fact that Cline rarely offers up anything more than the name of the thing he's referencing (and sometimes which movie or game it's from). Don't know what the hell a Zenith television looks like, or what a TRS-80 is? Congratulations, you have no way of visually parsing the scene. When Wade enters the Tomb of Horrors, Cline doesn't describe the things he encounters, he just goes "and once I was past the Orb of Annihilation I did..." and if you don't know what the hell an Orb of Annihilation is, you're just poo poo out of luck as a reader. William Gibson has this style where he writes about some strange, sci-fi thing - but since it's an everyday item to the characters in the story, he doesn't actually describe the thing until details become relevant for the story. Cline's like that, only he fails to realise that's what he's doing.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:The writing in RPO reminds me of nothing so much as Fifty Shades. The events described in both works could, in themselves, be exciting/tense/erotic etc, but the actual words used to describe them are so unimaginative that it just comes out as "and then this thing happened, and then this happened and...". If you thought his prose was bad in RPO, it's one hundred times worse in Armada. quote:William Gibson has this style where he writes about some strange, sci-fi thing - but since it's an everyday item to the characters in the story, he doesn't actually describe the thing until details become relevant for the story. Cline's like that, only he fails to realise that's what he's doing. William Gibson is loving amazing, is what I am saying.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:You should try reading Armada, Cline's sophomore book, in which he has to try at every turn to describe things which the audience is not familiar with without having handy 80's references to fall back on. IIRC that includes the line, "I nodded. Not in agreement, but just to indicate that I understood the reference."
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 22:49 |
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Cline sets up a scenario where thousands of players are trying to get into the Tomb of Horrors at once. Players being unable to harm each other directly, combined with the nature of the Tomb's death traps, should be a easy comic scene. Gunters greasing the floor so Sixers fall into spike pits, players trying to hop the line by leaping into the statue mouth with the sphere of annihilation, players being teleported outside without their clothes or equipment, tons of options. Instead Cline writes it so players are simply standing in line at the DMV, waiting their turn to play Joust. At the very least the tomb should be randomized each day, to capture the spirit of the original module. Players in the 80s weren't handed copies of the module and asked to describe how they were stepping over each trap.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:
It may be bad writing, but you can't say it ain't a realistic representation of playing an MMO.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:William Gibson also has this thing here he can pinpoint the exact perfect ancillary detail the audience needs to sketch in a character and only ever give you that That was one thing Dickens was very good at, too
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:You should try reading Armada, Cline's sophomore book, in which he has to try at every turn to describe things which the audience is not familiar with without having handy 80's references to fall back on. Does he actually try to do that? I'm pretty sure he does the exact same thing. "They looked like the drop ships from Avatar or Edge of Tomorrow!" Suppose that's not an 80s reference, but certainly not him trying to be evocative on his own.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:48 |
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Paingod556 posted:The PvP restriction only stops physical harm. Mental and psychological harm, however... I'm still wondering how this works with the Block feature. I mean, you can mute them, but they can still spawn a locker around you?
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Dienes posted:Does he actually try to do that? I'm pretty sure he does the exact same thing. "They looked like the drop ships from Avatar or Edge of Tomorrow!"
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Liquid Communism posted:I'm still wondering how this works with the Block feature. I mean, you can mute them, but they can still spawn a locker around you? Cline leaves that possibility open, probably unintentionally. We know magic and tech like force fields and weapons work on Ludus even though it’s not a PvP zone. Presumably the schools have additional restrictions, but outside school zones you can do anything you want to gently caress with someone as long as it doesn’t directly cost them HP.
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Liquid Communism posted:I'm still wondering how this works with the Block feature. I mean, you can mute them, but they can still spawn a locker around you? I cast Bigby's Locker Shoving Hand at a 5th level spell, allowing it to shove 3 additional nerds.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Now, in defense(!) of E.L. James, at least she actually describes the events taking place in Fifty Shades, while Cline just tells us it happened post-fact. James has a background in TV production (I think?) so I can see where describing what’s happening presently would come easy to her, but 70% of her text is Twilight and like Meyer from whom she plagiarized she refers to “rich” things in the way Cline refers to the 80s. It’s not as often but it’s there, and hilariously almost none of those things are as rich or exclusive as she pretends them to be. RPO is out in around a week? I’m aggravated it’s probably going to take money from Pacific Rim: Uprising which even with mixed reviews is still it’s own IP that pays homage to stuff like Giant Robo and Godzilla and has a more diverse cast by comparison. Maybe if we all convince people to see Black Panther just one more time instead....
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I feel like dumping a Spielberg movie based off a successful nerd property before blockbuster season means they don’t have a lot of faith in it
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Shark Sandwich posted:I feel like dumping a Spielberg movie based off a successful nerd property before blockbuster season means they don’t have a lot of faith in it Hopefully it gets murdered by Black Panther like Tomb Raider did. I doubt it, even with the legs BP has had it probably doesn't quite have the legs for that. edit: drat, i just checked it out and BP is about to overtake The Last Jedi for the #6 all-time domestic box office record. https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/cumulative/all-time
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I can also understand Spielberg changing the key quests for the movie, because how the hell would you go about making an exciting scene out of "and then I played Space Invaders for six hours, and then I slavishly re-enacted an entire movie, and then I played Pac-Man"?
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 08:41 |
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BBC review of the movie sounds good but the book somehow had literary critics praising it. http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20180320-film-review-ready-player-one
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From the trailers it looks like the movie may be a very, very loose adaptation that is focused on the adventure escapism aspect of the story rather than on faux nostalgia, so God knows what it's actually like. It may end up being a perfectly unremarkable, adequate action flick, which in this case is surpassing expectations for sure.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 09:54 |
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Again with Pacific Rim but it’s an example of a similar thing from script to screen. The original story was from scriptwriter Travis Beacham but it was Guillermo del Toro who expanded on the script and brought life to the film. Beacham’s novelization and comics have some similar issues as RPO with representation as well (girlfriends for the queer-coded scientist characters, lesbians who die off-screen).
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steinrokkan posted:From the trailers it looks like the movie may be a very, very loose adaptation that is focused on the adventure escapism aspect of the story rather than on faux nostalgia, so God knows what it's actually like. It may end up being a perfectly unremarkable, adequate action flick, which in this case is surpassing expectations for sure. https://twitter.com/limbclinic/status/970835851138740231 This tweet is a very loose adaptation that also surpasses expectations for RPO
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 21:28 |
Oh yeah the next update is where poo poo gets weird and uncomfortable.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 21:40 |
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chitoryu12 posted:Oh yeah the next update is where poo poo gets weird and uncomfortable. You mean it hasn't already?
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chitoryu12 posted:Oh yeah the next update is where poo poo gets weird and uncomfortable. The horrible sex stuff is going to happen, isn't it?
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quote:My computer woke me up just before sundown, and I began my daily ritual. Today is the day that we learn just how far Wade can slip. The answer is "ultimate basement goon". There are only two things in his life that Wade actually cares about since getting kinda-dumped by his not-girlfriend. One of those is his new rig, which his seemingly exorbitant endorsement checks has paid for. quote:The crown jewel in my rig was, of course, my customized OASIS console. The computer that powered my world. I’d built it myself, piece by piece,inside a modded mirror-black Odinware sphere chassis. It had a new overclocked processor that was so fast its cycle-time bordered on pre-cognition. And the internal hard drive had enough storage space to hold three digitized copies of Everything in Existence. So he's already got everything he needs to feel the virtual world, to the extent that he doesn't need to ever see reality again...except one thing. quote:You could also purchase an ACHD (anatomically correct haptic doll), if you wanted to have more “intimate” encounters inside the OASIS. ACHDs came in male, female, and dual-sex models, and were available with a wide array of options. Realistic latex skin. Servomotor-driven endoskeletons. Simulated musculature. And all of the attendant appendages and orifices one would imagine. This is an extremely popular book. quote:I felt no shame about masturbating. Thanks to Anorak’s Almanac, I now thought of it as a normal bodily function, as necessary and natural assleeping or eating. This book has a film by Steven Spielberg with a $175 million budget. quote:As I shuffled over to the toilet, a large flat-screen monitor mounted on the wall switched on, and the smiling face of Max, my system agent software, appeared on the screen. I’d programmed Max to start up a few minutes after I turned on the lights, so I could wake up a little bit before he started jabbering to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYdpOjletnc I'm not sure I could stand having Max Headroom try to help me live my life 24/7. Especially as he makes a "sprung a leak" joke as Wade goes to the bathroom, which suggests Max Headroom now gets to look at his dick every day. Wade spends an hour each day in the real world, cleaning and exercising. It's his least favorite part of the day because it reminds him that he's living his life in a virtual world, but despite having enough money to live whatever life he wants in reality he just refuses to change. In terms of exercising, Wade has surprisingly taken to it. When he first started rejecting reality to substitute his own, he rapidly gained weight to the point where he was struggling to fit in his XL haptic suit. To avoid needing to buy a whole new rig to accommodate his girth, he installed a dietary lockout program (which can't be disabled for 2 months once activated and is linked to his OASIS account so he can never get around it) that prevents him from logging into OASIS unless he burns sufficient calories each day. After finally becoming muscular for the first time in his life, he decided to keep the program on and now continues to exercise in a virtual gym and track as his daily ritual. quote:The virtual gym vanished. Now I was standing on a semitransparent running track, a curved looping ribbon suspended in a starry nebula. Giant ringed planets and multicolored moons were suspended in space all around me. The running track stretched out ahead of me, rising, falling, and occasionally spiraling into a helix. An invisible barrier prevented me from accidentally running off the edge of the track and plummeting into the starry abyss. The Bifrost track was another stand-alone simulation, one of several hundred track designs stored on my console’s hard drive. So putting this all together, Wade is: * Pale as a vampire * 100% hairless (including eyebrows) * Muscular * Only wears a haptic suit Our hero is now Pinhead without the pins. quote:Standing there, under the bleak fluorescents of my tiny one-room apartment, there was no escaping the truth. In real life, I was nothing but an antisocial hermit. A recluse. A pale-skinned pop culture–obsessed geek. An agoraphobic shut-in, with no real friends, family, or genuine human contact. I was just another sad, lost, lonely soul, wasting his life on a glorified videogame.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 23:19 |
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You know what? gently caress it. I'm done. This is beyond jumping the shark. It did that loving ages ago.
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(I'm still going to keep on reading the thread, but if this were me reading the book I would said gently caress it)
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 23:23 |
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Gross
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 23:23 |
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It was the crowning moment of "one hell of a rig" for Mike Nelson.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 23:27 |
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Oh dear, is the music of the popular English group WHAM! not to your tastes, Mr Watched Every Episode Of Family Ties Multiple Times? Oh and all that other stuff, been waiting for that to pop up. I'm sure all the die hard RP1 fans will riot if the movie Wade doesn't suddenly start looking like the Engineer from Prometheus.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 23:31 |
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Why would you bring up the sex robot if you're just going to have it exit the story
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 23:54 |
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theflyingorc posted:Why would you bring up the sex robot if you're just going to have it exit the story *unfurls a giant list of things that have been used once only to be discarded*
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 23:59 |
iospace posted:*unfurls a giant list of things that have been used once only to be discarded* *packs it into a flying wall-phasing DeLorean*
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iospace posted:*unfurls a giant list of things that have been used once only to be discarded* Yeah but He could have not written it, and then nobody would see him write that It was so easy
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah but the target audience for this book are exactly the kind of people who demand to know how someone poops and why there aren't robot sex dolls in the future
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 01:07 |
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When Wade Watts woke up one morning from unsettling dreams he found himself transformed into the ultimate goon and thought that was perfectly fine.
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He gazed up at the enormous face. Eighteen years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the rusty brown moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two haptic-gel-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Ernest Cline.
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 03:22 |
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Wait. Wade’s mom suffered as an OASIS sex worker... and as soon as he has the option he heads for the Pleasuredome?!
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He misses his mom.
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 03:57 |
Hyrax Attack! posted:Wait. Wade’s mom suffered as an OASIS sex worker... and as soon as he has the option he heads for the Pleasuredome?! For a week. I will say that there's one section of this book that's actually a little enjoyable to read. Tellingly, it's the longest time the book is out of OASIS.
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burn this poo poo to the ground little man in the canoe???? are you loving serious
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