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EugeneDebsWasCool
Nov 10, 2017
Buglord

Icon Of Sin posted:

So, a new coral species was just discovered off of NC! I've seen Blue Ivy Coral on the wreck of the Alexander Ramsey, only 3 miles offshore from Wrightsville Beach, NC. This is my only pic of it, with a photobombing nudi:



Nobody could ID it when I first saw it, because it had never actually been ID'ed before. It's thought to be invasive to the area (only showing up around 2002-2004, based on diver accounts and pictures) but nobody has any idea where it came from either. The paper I linked mentions "no known tropical relatives", which is pretty loving wild.

Wow, that's really crazy to think about

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turing_test
Feb 27, 2013

Is it okay to ask for recommendations in here?

I'm traveling to Arusha, TZ for work in early April and I was thinking about taking a flight over to Zanzibar to get my SCUBA certification. I've never done any diving, but I hear that the reefs are incredible (and I really love looking at fish and learning about the ocean) so it seemed like a good idea.

I live in Boston, MA and it's pretty cold right now so I'd prefer to not do my open water dives here to get certified before going.

I found a few places that are PADI dive shops - should all of them be pretty good for the basic certification? Does anyone have any recommendations for places to go? Am I likely to be able to see cool stuff on the training dives, or should I plan to spend an extra day so I can actually see some cool fish?

Thanks in advance!

GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Icon Of Sin posted:

So, a new coral species was just discovered off of NC! I've seen Blue Ivy Coral on the wreck of the Alexander Ramsey, only 3 miles offshore from Wrightsville Beach, NC. This is my only pic of it, with a photobombing nudi:



Nobody could ID it when I first saw it, because it had never actually been ID'ed before. It's thought to be invasive to the area (only showing up around 2002-2004, based on diver accounts and pictures) but nobody has any idea where it came from either. The paper I linked mentions "no known tropical relatives", which is pretty loving wild.

Well poo poo, dove that 2 years ago, and have pics. Will have to go back and see if I discovered that coral first. ;)

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
Trip report on my scuba cert: The ocean was rough as hell, massive surge, huge surf, coldest temps we've seen in a long while. It was rough, I'd be lying if I said I had fun, but I am certified and certified in conditions way worse than anything I'd ever voluntarily dive in, so I think at the end of the day its a good thing for my confidence.

SuitcasePimp
Feb 27, 2005

Red_Fred posted:

This is awesome and exactly where I’m heading. Currently using a single arm with filters. What lumen Solas would you recommend?

You'll get good results from anything in the 1-3k range, you can spend more on the "pro" stuff but it wouldn't bring you any value. I have the 1200 and 2500 and they are both good lights, I actually would have gotten another 1200 but they were out of stock and the store sold me their display 2500 for the same price.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



turing_test posted:


I found a few places that are PADI dive shops - should all of them be pretty good for the basic certification? Does anyone have any recommendations for places to go? Am I likely to be able to see cool stuff on the training dives, or should I plan to spend an extra day so I can actually see some cool fish?

Thanks in advance!

Check the fb pages, google reviews, and yelp for a quick read on a shop, but the ideal option is to go to each shop and see which one has staff that you feel most comfortable around. I realize that this may not be something you can't easily do, though. Each shop should be teaching the same standards, but will have their own little differences in how they do things. Some of them may run trips that you can get certified on, we do this a ton in the winter here with trips to the FL springs and other destinations (Keys, Bahamas, etc). On our training dives, how much you get to see cool stuff is largely up to the divemaster, and how comfortable they think you are in the water vs whatever conditions you find yourself in. My own experience has ranged from 'lets stay down until someone hits 700 psi left in their tank, then find the nearest line to ascend for a safety stop" to "this water is loving freezing and I can't see more than 3ft, the students are doing as many skills as we need to do on this dive and then we're popping back to the surface at the 20 minute mark". We try to maximize our time underwater for our students (and maximize their experience underwater), but when the water is cold or the vis is low that obviously complicates things a bit.

turing_test
Feb 27, 2013

Icon Of Sin posted:

Check the fb pages, google reviews, and yelp for a quick read on a shop, but the ideal option is to go to each shop and see which one has staff that you feel most comfortable around. I realize that this may not be something you can't easily do, though. Each shop should be teaching the same standards, but will have their own little differences in how they do things. Some of them may run trips that you can get certified on, we do this a ton in the winter here with trips to the FL springs and other destinations (Keys, Bahamas, etc). On our training dives, how much you get to see cool stuff is largely up to the divemaster, and how comfortable they think you are in the water vs whatever conditions you find yourself in. My own experience has ranged from 'lets stay down until someone hits 700 psi left in their tank, then find the nearest line to ascend for a safety stop" to "this water is loving freezing and I can't see more than 3ft, the students are doing as many skills as we need to do on this dive and then we're popping back to the surface at the 20 minute mark". We try to maximize our time underwater for our students (and maximize their experience underwater), but when the water is cold or the vis is low that obviously complicates things a bit.

Thanks for the advice! I'll see if there are any shops that run certification trips. I found a few that advertise trips in addition to the basic certification, so that seems like a good place to start. I'll e-mail a few places to get an idea about what their four required dives look like.

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum
We’re debating options for where to get our 10 year old nephew certified since he loves our pictures and has decided he wants to dive, so we promised him we’d take care of it. We want it to be enjoyable enough to hook him with enough relatively shallow OW areas dives that he sees stuff in addition to his exercises. Also we live in Jupiter FL but he really wants to get and use a passport so we are going to do that for him too.

So in no particular order based on places we’ve been and think will work plus have shops we’ve dove with and know people at, Abaco (Green Turtle Cay probably), Belize (Ambergris), Aruba (although I’m not sold there for his depth), Bonaire, St Maarten and Barbados are the ones we’re debating between. Anyone have advice on good places for a 10 year old?

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
You could try the Bahamas. I went last year. The reefs were pretty shallow, and he gets to see sharks (nurse, grey reef).

There's not a lot to do topside though, and the place is still reeling from the hurricanes in recent years.

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum

Trivia posted:

You could try the Bahamas. I went last year. The reefs were pretty shallow, and he gets to see sharks (nurse, grey reef).

There's not a lot to do topside though, and the place is still reeling from the hurricanes in recent years.

Yah, that’s the Abaco option. We’d probably go to Green Turtle Cay and it’s a strong choice. We dove there a couple weeks ago.

GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
I got my 10yo son certified, a few years ago.

Things to consider:

1. Water temp. A little kid isn't going to be able to maintain body heat very well, because he has relatively little mass. My kid's lips turned blue in the 78 degree pool, in a 5mm wetsuit, after an hour. Something to consider.

2. If you're taking the kid out on the ocean, keep in mind that wave action/boat rocking that wouldn't stop an adult from getting back up the ladder is going to beat the hell out of a little kid.

3. The gear is going to be at least 40% of the kid's total body weight.

4. 95% of my diving, that first year, was keeping an eye on my kid. One worries.

These are the things I encountered... all surmountable, but keep them in mind.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
If you're going to be diving with a young 'un then it might not be a bad idea to take a rescue diver course yourself.

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum
I am already rescue, but good advice! And good point on water temps, we were going to shoot for over 80 but didn’t think about how critical it is.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

I don't think I saw it mentioned in this thread, but there is a pretty good documentary that's been put up on US Netflix recently called Diving Into The Unknown.

It's about a group of Norwegian friends who cave dive and their plan to go recover the bodies of two of their friends after a mishap in cave system.

I would have been interested in more technical detail but then the film probably would have been too dry and detail oriented for a wider audience.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Zwabu posted:

I don't think I saw it mentioned in this thread, but there is a pretty good documentary that's been put up on US Netflix recently called Diving Into The Unknown.

It's about a group of Norwegian friends who cave dive and their plan to go recover the bodies of two of their friends after a mishap in cave system.

I would have been interested in more technical detail but then the film probably would have been too dry and detail oriented for a wider audience.

I thought I was a very good watch.

Sticko
Nov 24, 2007
Outrageous Lumpwad
Just on my way back from a 10 day in Raja Ampat. I’ll try to post some photos later when I’m back home - assuming I actually managed to take anything worthwhile.

The trip was fantastic, best diving I’ve done by a fair margin - though I’ve only done Aus, NZ, Hawaii so not a huge amount of comparison.

Huge schools of reef fish, jacks, barracuda, fusiliers etc. Saw a few mantas, but not many and they were just passing through rather than at cleaning stations - think I’ll have to go to Komodo for those. A decent number of reef sharks, wobbegongs and epaulette walking sharks. Pygmy seahorse less than a cm long, eels, snakes, mantis shrimp and crabs, lots of giant clams, big wrasse and groupers etc etc etc. However, the overwhelming impression was from the vast healthy coral gardens, inhabited by huge schools of reef fish - just life everywhere. Hard coral, stag horn and plating mainly, in the north. In the south a combination of soft and hard corals, huge fans, leathers etc. But all very healthy and covering huge areas wherever we went - no sign of dynamite fishing, bleaching or cyclone damage. Which made a big change from when I went to the GBR a few years ago.

The diving itself was relatively relaxed, almost always some current, but only moderate in a few spots, which apparently is quite lucky. Vis wasn’t super amazing 15-25m or so - apparently it had been quite poor earlier in the season but had cleared up a bit. The live aboard I was on only did 4 dives a day, but they were fairly long ones - 60 to 90 minutes, with most being 70 mins. Some time spent in the shallows, but deep enough (25-30m with significant time at 15-20m), that I was right on the limit of my air consumption. The 4.5 to 5h in the water per day was enough. The dives were reasonably diverse, a few muck dives a few jetty dives, one in the mangroves, walls, pinnacles, etc.

The above water scenery was stunning, lots of small/medium sized idensly jungled islands, with marine lagoons that we did some visits to. Lots of cockatoos to wake us up, some sea birds but not huge numbers. Boat was very slick and well appointed, but you’d bloody hope so for the price - I’m sure I could have done it for cheaper but I was happy overall - definitely hope to do Komodo and also RA again with them in the future. One of the people on board had done like 8 trips with them. That was the other thing, given the price it was basically all rich older people or kids thereof. That said they were all nice and friendly, and all very good, experienced and serious divers so it went pretty smooth.

I stayed one night in Sorong, the base city that the boats go from, and that was probably too much - has very little going for it. Might have been nice to spend a couple of days on one of the small islands to try and see some birds of paradise, but didn’t get organised and was a bit too much time and money.

Overall A+, would definitely do again, although maybe Komodo first.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Dive season is starting soon on the east coast (except in Florida, where it never ended). I'm pretty loving ready to get offshore after doing ~25 dives in a row in our local aquarium. Granted, the majority of those were safety dives with the Weeki Wachee mermaids, but I'd rather be offshore looking at sharks and shipwrecks :) Now's the time to get your gear ready, make sure everything is serviced properly and within the recommended timeframe, nothing needs replacing (my gloves :argh: ), and check on anything else you need to fix/replace/service before getting on the boat and heading out. Be safe out there, and make sure you don't do anything that makes someone dedicate a reef in your honor (even if that's a pretty loving cool thing to do). I never did hear anything about his cause of death, so that leaves us to focus on the basics of keeping your gear in working order, watching your gas usage, and not getting into things that are beyond your training level. Be safe out there, and come back here to tell stories and post pretty pictures :)

SqueakyDuck
Apr 5, 2009

Banao!~ :3::3:
Goon dive pros....looking for some help for approapriate dive insurance but when it comes down to it I can't seem to make head or tail of the policies.

Currently looking at Dive Assure as DAN AP doesn't provide liability insurance.

PADI OWSI in the Phillippines looking for insurance as I am working on a big dive boat and need a good insurance in case I move around. Planning on heading home (to Ireland) in a few months and skip to Mexico.

Is there any other companies I should be looking at too that maybe I haven't heard of.....yet?

EugeneDebsWasCool
Nov 10, 2017
Buglord

SqueakyDuck posted:

Goon dive pros....looking for some help for approapriate dive insurance but when it comes down to it I can't seem to make head or tail of the policies.

Currently looking at Dive Assure as DAN AP doesn't provide liability insurance.

PADI OWSI in the Phillippines looking for insurance as I am working on a big dive boat and need a good insurance in case I move around. Planning on heading home (to Ireland) in a few months and skip to Mexico.

Is there any other companies I should be looking at too that maybe I haven't heard of.....yet?

Does Witherspoon offer diving insurance in AP? Too bad DAN doesn't. I have my independent liability insurance through them and it's fantastic.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Done with my OWD confined water dives. It's still too cold to dive anywhere here so either have to wait or travel somewhere to finish it sooner.

Now tell me something straight - is diving a complete sausage fest? I didn't notice at first as there was a woman in our group of 6 but I don't think there was a single one among the other groups at the pools.

EugeneDebsWasCool
Nov 10, 2017
Buglord

mobby_6kl posted:

Done with my OWD confined water dives. It's still too cold to dive anywhere here so either have to wait or travel somewhere to finish it sooner.

Now tell me something straight - is diving a complete sausage fest? I didn't notice at first as there was a woman in our group of 6 but I don't think there was a single one among the other groups at the pools.

It can be yeah.

One thing I like about the shop I work with right now is that their most active staff are mostly young women in their 20s and 30s. It’s a refreshing change of pace from the normal sausage fest.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

mobby_6kl posted:

Now tell me something straight - is diving a complete sausage fest?

It can be, and I've certainly encountered my share of macho male divers, but it's far from universal.

I got lucky, and did most of my early diving with a LGBT+allies dive club that was pretty well balanced and a really good group.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Goddamit. It wasn't the goal or anything but I kind of hoped it would be a bit more balanced than my other hobbies like computer stuff, cars or electronics :v:

Waci
May 30, 2011

A boy and his dog.

mobby_6kl posted:

Goddamit. It wasn't the goal or anything but I kind of hoped it would be a bit more balanced than my other hobbies like computer stuff, cars or electronics :v:

It's far more balanced than anything you mentioned.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

mobby_6kl posted:

Goddamit. It wasn't the goal or anything but I kind of hoped it would be a bit more balanced than my other hobbies like computer stuff, cars or electronics :v:

It isn't nearly that bad. Just find a group that likes to dive because fish and invertebrates are awesome, and not a group that's hunting, and the ratio won't be that terrible.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Fallen Rib
Also, avoid tech and wreck divers. IME, they're usually macho men and really dorky dudes.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

My tech diving group isn't exactly macho. Dorky I'll concede though.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Fallen Rib

Collateral Damage posted:

My tech diving group isn't exactly macho. Dorky I'll concede though.

I swapped the types. Tech is usually dorky, wreck is usually macho. I'll bet the ratio of Doria divers is 25:1.

EugeneDebsWasCool
Nov 10, 2017
Buglord

mobby_6kl posted:

Goddamit. It wasn't the goal or anything but I kind of hoped it would be a bit more balanced than my other hobbies like computer stuff, cars or electronics :v:

Oh yeah it's way more balanced and send to be becoming moreso. I was just hanging at my local shop and there was 4 women and two men including myself and we're all under 35.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Wreck divers in NC tend to be all types, since that’s essentially all we have to dive here :v: Our shop skews towards parity for men/women, but that’s only because we rely heavily on the university’s scuba club. Their president is also one of our DM candidates, as are some other members of their executive board (which probably influences things a bit).

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

sharkytm posted:

Also, avoid tech and wreck divers. IME, they're usually macho men and really dorky dudes.

Hunters are more macho than both, in my experience

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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DeadlyMuffin posted:

Hunters are more macho than both, in my experience

No doubt. Especially vertebrate hunters. Around here, there's a fair number of female lobster hunters.

GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
There are some Florida Blue Grotto fans, here.

Apparently they got hosed by a lot of rainfall, and a wall caved in, or something? Today on Facebook they posted no diving until at least the middle of next week.... which actually could be a problem for me, as I'm renting one of their cabins in 14 days. :)

Anyone local know what's up, there?

quote:

Unfortunately we have to close the Grotto for a few days. The heavy rainfall washed in a part of the left side wall and broke the pump system. We are working hard and experts will check the safety of the cavern before reoppening. Please share to all friends

++++

All the dangerous rocks was removed yesterday evening. The water is clearing up very slowly because of the quantity of lime rock dust. Today we do have to wash down the smaller debris delaying the clear up again. One good news I have, first thing I saw today was Virgil coming up ....:-) keep you posted ...

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Unfortunate our dive site is not open until further notice. We hope to be ready for diving towards middle of next week. Cabins can be occupied or canceled without any cancellation fee.

After diving the Grotto today we realized that we do have to clean up the bottom of the Grotto and replace the platform. Depending of how much help we can organize it takes up to a week to be ready again. We would appreciate help from experienced cavern and cave divers.
Please contact me 352 502 38 63 to coordinate days and time.

HAvent' seen any pics yet.

GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
Update on Blue Grotto:

quote:

Like to give you the latest update:

The open Water area including two platforms 10/30 feet will be open over the Weekend. The overhead environment and Cavern will remain closed until all the debris and the old platforms are removed and replaced. Every Guest diving must sign an additional waiver see below. We are closing again on Monday to start working underwater again. We appreciate every help for underwater and above cleanup during next week, starting Monday. Please just show up if you like to help. For underwater work we prefer divers with cavern or cave diving experience because of the reduced visibility caused by movement of the silt. Thank you all and let's hope we will get this dive site running again until end of net week.
additional temporary Waiver:

Blue Grotto Dive Resort LLC

Additional temporary Waiver

I understand that the overhead environment and Cavern is temporarily closed for Divers.
Hereby I agree to remain in the open Water area and a maximum deep of 35 feet
Date: __________
Name:____________ Signature:____________

SO, keeping an eye on it. I'm booked to dive the week after Easter.

GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
Has anyone ever dove Troy Springs, in Florida? Beginning to think of alternatives if I can't get into Blue Grotto.

GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
Blue Grotto updated their Facebook with a video of them using a crane to remove the damaged dive platforms, and replace them with a new one. It's pretty neat. They say they're open now.... so I guess I'll be one of the first to dive into the cavern next week and check the integrity of the rest of it....

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



GORDON posted:

Blue Grotto updated their Facebook with a video of them using a crane to remove the damaged dive platforms, and replace them with a new one. It's pretty neat. They say they're open now.... so I guess I'll be one of the first to dive into the cavern next week and check the integrity of the rest of it....

I’ll be there next weekend! :)

GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Icon Of Sin posted:

I’ll be there next weekend! :)

I'm here now! Wifi barely works in the cabins, fyi.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



GORDON posted:

I'm here now! Wifi barely works in the cabins, fyi.

Solid. We're getting there Friday afternoon. Hopefully in time for an afternoon dive, but we'll be there all day Saturday either way :)

e: any word on if anything fell into the bottom from the nor'easter damage?

Icon Of Sin fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Apr 5, 2018

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GORDON
Jan 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Icon Of Sin posted:

Solid. We're getting there Friday afternoon. Hopefully in time for an afternoon dive, but we'll be there all day Saturday either way :)

e: any word on if anything fell into the bottom from the nor'easter damage?

Big chunk of wall collapsed, and you aren't allowed over in that corner. Also, new platform!

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