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BarronsArtGallery posted:jesus christ this thread gives me hemorrhoids Not editing your film is a bold choice, I agree. Lucas was severely limited by his inability to fully embrace causality-free filmmaking. Think about how much time ROTJ wasted on the stupid “rescuing Han” scenario when ESB could have simply ended with him inexplicably escaping his predicament off-screen instead! God forbid Disney actually complicate their trilogy with continuity. Sio fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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BarronsArtGallery posted:jesus christ this thread gives me hemorrhoids All the emotion of how badly Luke was treated in the screenplay by Rian "Dick" Johnson must have come floating at the surface in this scene. It is not only Luke falling on his knees in this scene. It is Mark falling on his knees for how poorly he was treated during the whole production. 12 Likes.
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Mar 22, 2018 06:26
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It’s still shocking how much hate this movie gets. Absolutely shocking
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CelticPredator posted:It’s still shocking how much hate this movie gets. Absolutely shocking A lot of people hated Jesus when he was around too 
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Why does everyone care so much about the origin of Snoke?
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Mar 22, 2018 11:13
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Not everyone does. He could have stuck around a little longer as a good villain.
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Mar 22, 2018 11:21
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CelticPredator posted:It’s still shocking how much hate this movie gets. Absolutely shocking You complain about the Prequels a decade after the fact.
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Mar 22, 2018 11:27
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Not everyone does. He could have stuck around a little longer as a good villain. Certainly, but most of the complaints about his demise run, "We don't know where he came from," rather than, "There were still places he could have gone." I'm more in sympathy with the latter, although I did enjoy the scene (I was very surprised in the cinema when it happened).
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Mar 22, 2018 11:30
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You complain about the Prequels a decade after the fact. People complain about the prequels on SA because we’re going on a decade of the same lovely hot takes about evil jedi theocracy and robot slaves Everything i say is good and correct, zizek wrote aotc
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Mar 22, 2018 11:34
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:People complain about the prequels on SA because we’re going on a decade of the same lovely hot takes about evil jedi theocracy and robot slaves The whole saga hinges on a scene of slaves being purchased. There were three movies showing that the Jedi are evil idiots. People should have accepted these things by now.
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Mar 22, 2018 11:49
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:People complain about the prequels on SA because we’re going on a decade of the same lovely hot takes about evil jedi theocracy and robot slaves You should've registered as Edgar Allen Pwned... U screwed up big time
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Mar 22, 2018 12:07
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Wheat Loaf posted:Why does everyone care so much about the origin of Snoke? by undercutting tfa's mysteries tlj has fully revealed to people how much of a nothing film tfa was if snoke had some important backstory that tied into things we could pretend his existence in tfa wasn't just 'well we need another emperor figure, make andy serkis look ugly and we'll figure something out for him to do later'
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Mar 22, 2018 13:04
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm more in sympathy with the latter, although I did enjoy the scene (I was very surprised in the cinema when it happened). Yeah it was good and I enjoyed it. I guess from some Star Wars fan perspective you want more back story to obsess over but I still had plenty of fun when I saw it. For example when I was a kid I got the character book and the vehicle book and loved the hell out of them and spent plenty of summer vacation nights reading them. This was generally before the internet was widespread so it was an aggregate of the comics and novels. Now I generally just go to movies these days with the intention of having fun and not thinking too much about things. It’s just more fun that way.
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Mar 22, 2018 13:24
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My only complaint is that Snoke should have been called Darth Icky, as Lucas intended.
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Mar 22, 2018 13:25
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Wheat Loaf posted:My only complaint is that Snoke should have been called Darth Icky, as Lucas intended. This would not surprise me at all and therefor I have no choice but to take this seriously.
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Lucas visited the studio where one of the Force Unleashed games was being produced and, presumably because he didn't think much of it, suggested that the main character's Sith name should be "Darth Icky" or "Darth Insanius".
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Mar 22, 2018 13:32
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Was Lucas really disdainful of those games? He should be, of course, they were awful Even from a gameplay pov the force powers in jedi knight were just more fun. Given how anything labelled star wars sells it’s pretty amazing how few decent video games about star wars exist. At this point all the games people liked are more than a decade old.
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Mar 22, 2018 14:16
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Star Wars has managed to fare better than Star Trek games wise at least.
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Gorelab posted:Star Wars has managed to fare better than Star Trek games wise at least. This is true; to my knowledge, no Star Wars game publisher has--yet, anyway--sued Lucasfilm or Disney with the complaint that they were sabotaging the IP and therefore destroying game sales.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The whole saga hinges on a scene of slaves being purchased. There were three movies showing that the Jedi are evil idiots. There have been 6 now.
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Mar 22, 2018 16:08
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Wheat Loaf posted:Why does everyone care so much about the origin of Snoke? I think you're mistaken there, nobody gives a poo poo about the origin of Snoke.
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Mar 22, 2018 16:11
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snoke was clearly luke projecting an alien form
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Mar 22, 2018 16:15
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Johnson did the right thing with Snoke: use him to help push Kylo's story along, give him some hilariously overstylized pulp fantasy lines, and then get him out of there
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Some interesting things from the Director's Commentary track - some of which I'm sure has already been covered: Rose was meant to be a grumpy eeyore before becoming a fangirl The porg mother and chicks on the Falcon were kept in because Kennedy liked them Kelly and John spent the last two weeks perfecting the reaction shots for the fathier chase (motion control rigs were involved) Frank Oz suggested a more interesting introduction for Yoda, and helped with the editing process, and that it was Mark Hamill's reactions to the puppet that helped bring the scenes to life Holdo's actress kept saying "pew pew" when firing the blaster Much like Ewan and Hayden during Episode III, Adam and Daisy had the throne fight down so well that it freed Johnson to instead focus on camera work and avoided close-ups to cover lack of skill on the actors' part The Falcon flying through Crait was modeled after the Star Tours comet sequence
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AndyElusive posted:All the emotion of how badly Luke was treated in the screenplay by Rian "Dick" Johnson must have come floating at the surface in this scene. It is not only Luke falling on his knees in this scene. It is Mark falling on his knees for how poorly he was treated during the whole production. 24 Likes and counting.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:
I care. Snoke absolutely crushed the lives of the heroes we loved, broke their hearts to pieces.  I don't need to know everything about Snoke, but I just want an explanation as to how Snoke turned Ben, and how he got access to him in the first place. Leia knew it was him who turned Ben. Luke knew something about Snoke too. Snoke is coded like a metaphor for a child molester. What did he do and how?
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AndyElusive posted:All the emotion of how badly Luke was treated in the screenplay by Rian "Dick" Johnson must have come floating at the surface in this scene. It is not only Luke falling on his knees in this scene. It is Mark falling on his knees for how poorly he was treated during the whole production. ahahahah at first I thought you were making this comment itt instead of quoting some ~*youtube badass*~
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In my fanfic I right the wrongs Rian Johnson did to the virtue and character of Luke Skywalker. Now it turns out that Luke really wants to go fight a star war but his x-wing broke and R2 wasn't there to help fix it. Once the Mary Sue helps him make repairs he and R2 fly to Snoke's ship alone, crash through the window and then he does all the best moves with his (GREEN!) lightsaber. This is what the real fans want to see. I've also removed Admiral Holdo and Rose
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You can't introduce a character of such massive importance as Snoke into an established universe without explanation. The Emperor was talked about since ANH and did not contradict the universe as established prior to his reveal as a Dark Side user in ESB. The organization he leads (The Empire) is also established in what it is and how it works, It existing at all is an integral part of the setting and narrative. The organization that Snoke leads by contrast has none of these things and in fact contradicts the setting. Smoke needs an explanation because otherwise he breaks the narrative. Unfortunately any backstory would likely be bad anyway because of the aforementioned. He was a bad idea at his conception.
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Ema Nymton posted:I care. Snoke absolutely crushed the lives of the heroes we loved, broke their hearts to pieces. Molestichlorians.
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Maybe he should have come back from his outer rim operations and said to the New Republic, "yeah, I respect your authority. I will continue to serve you with my loyal troops." Then later Snoke sues for Luke to stand trial. The New Republic Senate is torn apart as there are many salty folks still serving. Before the Republic is able to apprehend Skywalker, he flees. The senators on the side of Luke do their Senate poo poo in the Hosnian system, whereas the anti-Luke ones hold their Senate meetings elsewhere (one or both sides refused to assemble in the official Senate). Snoke is a known figure. Ben Solo gets turned by Snokes mission statement. Yada yada. I don't give a poo poo if this or some other back story was tucked away in some limited edition breakfast cereal box comic strip. They could have set the scene better is all.
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galagazombie posted:You can't introduce a character of such massive importance as Snoke into an established universe without explanation. The Emperor was talked about since ANH and did not contradict the universe as established prior to his reveal as a Dark Side user in ESB. The organization he leads (The Empire) is also established in what it is and how it works, It existing at all is an integral part of the setting and narrative. The organization that Snoke leads by contrast has none of these things and in fact contradicts the setting. Smoke needs an explanation because otherwise he breaks the narrative. Unfortunately any backstory would likely be bad anyway because of the aforementioned. He was a bad idea at his conception. Well they did so maybe you need to update your cinema rules ?
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all questions will be answered in 2022's snoke: origins, directed by
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Smokes origins are in the novel and they don’t add anything important to the drama on screen.
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euphronius posted:Smokes origins are in the novel and they don’t add anything important to the drama on screen. What drama?
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Corky Romanovsky posted:What drama? In the movie the the last Jedi.
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The problem isn’t Snoke’s lack of origin per se, it’s that it’s unclear what he is. The Emperor is very clearly defined—in A New Hope he’s the unseen autocratic leader of the tyrannical pan galactic government. He’s like Cassar or augustus or Hitler (since it seems the repuvblic is still being dismantled when the movie begins) Then in Empire he’s also a dark wizard and Vader’s evil daddy. What is Snoke? Is he an emperor wannabe? A crazy Trump businessman turned guerilla? Osama bin Laden? A disgruntled Republican?
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He’s the supreme leader who has led the first order to domination over the republic and is also an evil space wizard.
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euphronius posted:He’s the supreme leader who has led the first order to domination over the republic and is also an evil space wizard. Is Supreme Leader a military position? What’s the First Order? Honestly just going by the language this stuff sounds like North Korea or some wacky Third World militia—but then they have the muscle to take over the galaxy in weeks, so...
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