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Folding and the SETI project kind of died off when C-states and low die sizes happened. It was okay to justify when your computer was running flat out regardless of what it was doing, but now it can mean an extra $30/mo on your power bill that you wouldn't have just by quitting the app.
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Oh yeah, I totally get that. It's hundreds of dollars a year for potentially no benefit. That's why I stopped the first time, but there have been over 130 journalistic articles about unknown diseases from F@H work and even if it doesn't cure me maybe it could cure someone else. I can afford it so why not, my computer is stable.
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I mentioned it earlier, but EVGA gives you $10 evga-bucks a month for doing 4 million points. My GTX 1070 Ti can do about 700K/day, so it's about 6 days worth for the $10. That's not terrible if you figure you do that for 3 years and end up with a $360 subsidy toward a new card. And 6 days/month (which you can adjust and lower the intensity of) isn't bad on your card, unlike mining where some algos are harsher than Furmark. Plus folding may be beneficial to society, while mining is literally pointless busywork. The catch is I think you have to have had an EVGA card some time in the past. I had an EVGA GTX 560 like 7 years ago which made me eligible. My last card (Radeon 7870XT) lasted me 5 years, and the only reason I upgraded was because I couldn't get it working under Linux, I was still fine with its gaming performance. So assuming the GPU bubble doesn't last forever, in 3 years I should be able to get a GTX 1270 for like $50. Pretty confident a 1070 Ti can hold up that long considering it is more powerful than an Xbone X and I don't plan on going past 1440P with it. On the electricity, at 100% power usage (180W) x 6 days = 26 kWh. I pay 7 cents/kWh so about $1.82 to do the folding. Alpha Mayo fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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It caps at 120 dollars now, but that's still a good benefit, now folding for the EVGA team.
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drat didn't realize that. There goes my plan of free 3 year upgrade-cycles.
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Has anyone looked into that GridCoin thing? It was a crypto to do something like that (research and you got a few cents for it)
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Has anyone looked into that GridCoin thing? It was a crypto to do something like that (research and you got a few cents for it) I haven't, I assumed it was a scam like all crypto. But actually, if someone does monetize distributed GPUs being used for actual useful work, it might mean the bubble doesn't pop and GPU miners would be moving to something sustainable and valuable to others. Nicehash is in a really strong position to do that but they've never given any indication that they are looking into this. I don't know if Gridcoin does what they set out to do, but I think right now miners are desperate and looking for ways to generate more than $2/day off their 1080Tis so projects like that could take off.
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Gridcoin is legit but no one mines it because its not profitable. Also ASICs aren't that big of a deal. Monero is going to fork to prevent ASICs from working and ethereum is designed to be ASIC resistant and there are types of smart contracts which are designed to be incredibly inefficient for ASICS quote:This model is untested, and there may be difficulties along the way in avoiding certain clever optimizations when using contract execution as a mining algorithm. However, one notably interesting feature of this algorithm is that it allows anyone to "poison the well", by introducing a large number of contracts into the blockchain specifically designed to stymie certain ASICs. The economic incentives exist for ASIC manufacturers to use such a trick to attack each other. Thus, the solution that we are developing is ultimately an adaptive economic human solution rather than purely a technical one.
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Stealthgerbil posted:Gridcoin is legit but no one mines it because its not profitable. The whitepaper is discussing a hypothetical possibility (hence "untested"), the current Ethash algorithm does not make contract execution part of the proof-of-work, it operates on pseudorandom data. There's really no reason for that paragraph to be in there at all, it just sounds cool. quote:
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Mar 19, 2018 17:28
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Stealthgerbil posted:Gridcoin is legit but no one mines it because its not profitable. Pretty sure Gridcoin is just PoWaste slapped onto the occasional Actual Work because in an adversarial distribute computing network it's hard to prevent spammers submitting false work shares for complicated problems. Golem is trying something similar but faces the same issue.
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Is that because the work isn't "hard to perform, easy to verify" but "hard to perform, hard to verify?"
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I've been trying to get Gridcoin set up and it is very rough around the edges so far. I can't figure out how to tell it not to use my CPU. I think it is required to have 1 CPU core enabled because GPU tasks are "1 CPU plus 1 GPU". The problem is it finishes up a GPU task in 5 minutes, then moves to a CPU only task that might take 6 hours each. It also requires you to Add BOINC projects individually. I tried adding GPUGRID and Enigma projects but for some reason no GPU tasks would start, Enigma would only start CPU tasks and GPUGRID wouldn't start anything at all. Einstein@Home is the only one I got working with my GPU so far. I am not interested in using my CPU for crunching. Maybe if I had a 24 core Xeon or something, but my old 2500K can't contribute all that much. In FAH I can just remove the CPU slot and that's it, no more CPU WUs and no more wasting electricity. GridCoin just seems like a mess. Maybe I am missing something obvious with the CPU usage. I still have to figure out how to stake too.
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That sucks, I was hoping to BOINC all day and night
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Will this be the needle to the bubble crush? THIS
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I am surprised they finally found it. The bitcoiners were so proud when they managed to put that on the blockchain 
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Just slip one illegal piece of data into the blockchain and any servers holding the chain can be impounded or seized in countries that have laws against that activity? Checkmate, cryptowarriors: it's over.
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Bitcoin is only to be used for legal and legitimate services such as
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its actually to link everybody's processing power into one decentralized AI, and all it had to do was give people fake money and they figured it out themselves
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Calling them buttcoins just got even less funny
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future ghost posted:Bitcoin is only to be used for legal and legitimate services such as "In five years, if you try to use fiat currency they will laugh at you." — Silicon Valley investor Tim Draper, 2017"
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1gnoirents posted:its actually to link everybody's processing power into one decentralized AI, and all it had to do was give people fake money and they figured it out themselves those madmen finally did it, they implemented the least capable ai ever imagined
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Wanna help me argue with a someone I know who's son has got her running a SmartCash node (with a daughter in law trying to lease space in a mining operation) about these events? She ran the Guardian article past them and the International Bitcoin Star Guest Speaker that turned them all on this, to this respose: quote:Where do you see smartcash in the article??
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Torrent sites only provide links to copyrighted content and get prosecuted all the time.
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Palladium posted:"In five years, if you try to use fiat currency they will laugh at you." — Silicon Valley investor Tim Draper, 2017" lol who would use a currency backed by the greatest military superpower the world has ever seen when you could be using one that's backed by setting oil on fire to do pointless math equations
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Tim Draper is the idiot that spent 5 million on not getting his dumb "six californias" initative (intending on splitting California into six states) on the ballot.
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Fame Douglas posted:Tim Draper is the idiot that spent 5 million on not getting his dumb "six californias" initative (intending on splitting California into six states) on the ballot. Tim Draper was the first investor in Theranos.
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Tapedump posted:Wanna help me argue with a someone I know who's son has got her running a SmartCash node (with a daughter in law trying to lease space in a mining operation) about these events? I mean, she is kinda right (except for the persecution complex of thinking there is a shady cabal trying to bring down bitcoin). The Guardian article was about a link, and storing a reference != storing content. There is a pretty legit open question (that she does not answer) about how you go about dealing with content that we as a society have deemed illegal to possess when you have a trustless store of content?
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Lockback posted:I mean, she is kinda right (except for the persecution complex of thinking there is a shady cabal trying to bring down bitcoin). The Guardian article was about a link, and storing a reference != storing content. There is a pretty legit open question (that she does not answer) about how you go about dealing with content that we as a society have deemed illegal to possess when you have a trustless store of content? Something something blockchain(tm) is the solution to everything
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Yeah, but read the paper. They found content. Among all the links and such, they found, "an image depicting mild nudity of a young woman. In an online forum this image is claimed to show child pornography, albeit this claim cannot be verified." That could be read as nebulous, but that quote comes under the heading "Illegal and Condemned Content" ... we consider the remaining three instances objectionable for almost all jurisdictions."
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I saw someone suggest that maybe it was the banks that planted child porn on the blockchain lol
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Because from all the mindless bandwagoners, money of very dubious sources to outright theft and scams within the cult of blockchain , these paragons of morality can't possibly do something stupid and illegal
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someone FINALLY did a rent-your-GPU-for-payments brokerage thing. folding@home for beans, no USD direct yet though.u/edge_of_the_eclair posted:Rent out your GPU compute to AI researchers and make ~2x more than mining the most profitable cryptocurrency.  https://vectordash.com/hosting
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Computer Serf posted:someone FINALLY did a rent-your-GPU-for-payments brokerage thing. folding@home for beans, no USD direct yet though. poo poo that’s awesome - mining for useful stuff, and for free burritos, why not
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"We currently only support Ubuntu 16.04 as a host's OS." Ugh
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:poo poo that’s awesome - mining for useful* stuff, and for free burritos, why not * welllll, more useful than digital wooden nickels anyways. probably.
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Palladium posted:"We currently only support Ubuntu 16.04 as a host's OS." If you just want to do it for a few days at a time, you can run Ubuntu off a USB liveinstall media and not write it to a partition.
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Palladium posted:"We currently only support Ubuntu 16.04 as a host's OS." This seems like a poor choice of host OS given the state of consumer Nvidia drivers on Linux. Holy moly is Nouveau ever a dumpster fire. And the proprietary ones are worse. Linux is the one platform where AMD drivers are objectively better in every way than Nvidia drivers.
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Kazinsal posted:This seems like a poor choice of host OS given the state of consumer Nvidia drivers on Linux. Holy moly is Nouveau ever a dumpster fire. And the proprietary ones are worse. Nvidia proprietary consumer drivers are bad? That's a new one. For what are they bad exactly? Since when? How come? Why didn't anyone tell me yet?
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Kazinsal posted:This seems like a poor choice of host OS given the state of consumer Nvidia drivers on Linux. Holy moly is Nouveau ever a dumpster fire. And the proprietary ones are worse. Maybe it's a problem for video games but for HPC I'm not aware of any issues, and HPC is predominantly done in Linux
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Well that's magical. And entirely unsurprising given Nvidia's tendency to find interesting new ways to enforce market segmentation and HPC.
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