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3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

nerve posted:

Does anyone here know what type of quarterbacks Denver Broncos executive John Elway likes? Short?

Average height, black, and mobile. Imho

# ? Mar 23, 2018 17:12

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 18:26

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

Schatz put out his QBASE rankings.

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2018 NFL draft - Projecting booms, busts among top quarterback prospects

There are no sure things in the NFL draft, but quarterback may be the riskiest position of all. No defense revolves around a single player the way every offense revolves around the quarterback. Trust your offense to the wrong young quarterback, and your team isn't going to climb back into playoff contention. Recent history is littered with teams that drafted a quarterback high, only to find out that player couldn't play at the NFL level.

The lessons of history can at least help us figure out how much of a risk each quarterback prospect will be. That's the point of Football Outsiders' Quarterback-Adjusted-Stats-and-Experience (QBASE) projection system. It looks at college performance, experience and expected draft position (to incorporate scouting information that college stats will miss). To allow some time for development, QBASE projects a quarterback's efficiency (passing only) in Years 3-5 of his career, according to Football Outsiders' defense-adjusted yards above replacement (DYAR) metric. 50,000 simulations produce a range of potential outcomes for each prospect, with players drafted later generally having a larger range of possibilities.

QBASE favors quarterbacks expected to go high in the draft who also have a relatively long r�sum� of college success according to the stats. Those stats include completion percentage, yards per attempt and team passing efficiency. These numbers are adjusted both for the quality of the defenses that a prospect had to face as well as the quality of his offensive teammates. QBASE is meant to only be used on players chosen in the top 100 picks; after that, the judgment of scouts becomes even more important, and statistics become even less predictive.

It's important not to overestimate the importance of a small difference in the QBASE projections. Most of this year's top quarterbacks are grouped together in the middle of the scale. It's a bit of a surprise that Sam Darnold came out with a lower QBASE rating than some of the other top prospects -- Josh Rosen, for example. But if I were the analytics director for an NFL franchise, I would feel no need to disagree with a scouting director who placed Darnold ahead of Rosen.

However, there is one top prospect who QBASE clearly likes ahead of all the others, and one top prospect whose statistical profile is a gigantic red flag. We explain both projections below, along with the QBASE projections for six other top quarterbacks based on Scouts Inc. rankings for the 2018 draft.

Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma Sooners
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 13

Projecting Mayfield
Mean Projection, Years 3-5: 1480 DYAR
Bust ( 29.3%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 21.8%
Upper Tier
(1500-2500 DYAR) 20.7%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 28.2%
Baker Mayfield's stats at Oklahoma were completely ridiculous, so it's no surprise that a stat-based projection system such as QBASE loves him with the heat of a thousand suns.

One of the stats included in QBASE is adjusted passing yards per attempt. This metric looks at yards per attempt, then adds 20 yards for each touchdown and subtracts 45 yards for each interception. Mayfield is the only quarterback in FBS history to top 12.0 APYA in a season, and he's done it twice: 12.3 APYA in 2016, and then 12.9 APYA in 2017. Mayfield also completed more than 70 percent of his passes as a senior, and Oklahoma's offense was No. 1 in Football Outsiders' passing S&P+ rating.

On top of this, the No. 1 predictor of NFL success for top quarterback draft picks is still how many years of starting experience they had in college. Mayfield is the only one of this year's top prospects with four years of starting experience. (Luke Falk, likely to be drafted later, started for three and a half seasons.)

As with Rosen, QBASE docks Mayfield a bit because he played with high-quality teammates. Both OT Orlando Brown and TE Mark Andrews are likely to be drafted in the first three rounds this year, and WR Marquise Brown and G Ben Powers are likely to go in the first three rounds of the 2019 draft. However, Mayfield does not get docked for playing an easy Big 12 schedule. Because of the Big 12 championship game, the Sooners had to play twice against TCU, which at No. 15 in S&P+ was the Big 12's best pass defense. Mayfield also had to face Ohio State (No. 12) and Georgia (No. 6), so the average pass defense he faced was ranked 52.8, the same as Rosen and better than any of this year's prospects other than Darnold.

Put all these elements together, and Mayfield has the fourth-highest QBASE projection of any prospect since 1997. The only players projected higher were Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer and Donovan McNabb. Here are the top 10 prospects since 1997 based on the current formula:

Top 10 in QBASE since 1997
Player QBASE Drafted CareerYardage CareerTDs
Philip Rivers 1,964 No. 4, 2004 50,348 342
Carson Palmer 1,916 No. 1, 2003 46,247 294
Donovan McNabb 1,799 No. 2, 1999 37,276 234
Baker Mayfield 1,480 ? ? ?
Russell Wilson 1,288 No. 75, 2012 22,176 161
Peyton Manning 1,279 No. 1, 1998 71,940 539
Marcus Mariota 1,277 No. 2, 2015 9,476 58
Byron Leftwich 1,216 No. 7, 2003 10,532 58
Aaron Rodgers 1,216 No. 24, 2005 38,502 313
Ben Roethlisberger 1,211 No. 11, 2004 51,065 329

None of this is a guarantee that Mayfield is going to be a star in the NFL. Situated near the QBASE top 10 are prospects who didn't pan out, including John Beck, Matt Leinart and Christian Ponder. But based on his college performance, Mayfield has the best odds of any quarterback in this class of being an elite starter in the NFL, and the lowest odds of being a bust.

Josh Allen, Wyoming Cowboys
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 7

Projecting Allen
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: -83 DYAR
Bust ( 62.7%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 20.7%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 11.5%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 5.2%
Like Darnold, Allen was only a two-year starter in college. But Allen's statistics are horrifying compared to Darnold's.

Allen has an obscenely powerful arm, but it's a howitzer without a targeting system. He completed just 56.3 percent of his passes last year. Here is the list of quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 picks since 2005 despite having a completion rate below 58 percent in their final college season: Andrew Walter (2005), Jake Locker (2011), Christian Hackenberg (2016), Connor Cook (2016) and C.J. Beathard (2017). That's it.

Last year, Wyoming finished 119th in passing S&P+, out of 130 teams in FBS. That will be the lowest rank ever for a quarterback chosen in the top 100 picks of the NFL draft. Yes, I know, Allen wasn't playing with a bunch of NFL-bound talent around him. He also wasn't facing a lot of NFL-bound talent on defense. The average opponent faced by Wyoming ranked just 83.5 in pass defense S&P+. Allen's performance against top opponents was brutal. He threw two interceptions and zero touchdowns against Iowa, with just 4.35 yards per attempt. He completed just 9 of 24 passes with 64 yards and a pick against Oregon. He completed 44 percent of passes with two picks and only 131 yards against Boise State.

Since 1997, there have been 27 quarterbacks chosen in the top 100 with QBASE ratings below zero. The best of these quarterbacks was either Josh McCown or Brian Griese. It's a terrible group of quarterback busts. Negative-QBASE passers chosen in the first round include Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman and Patrick Ramsey.

Allen supporters talk about how his 2016 season was much better than his 2017 season, and it was. In 2016, Wyoming finished 52nd in passing S&P+. Allen still couldn't complete more than 56.0 percent of his passes. If we pretend Allen's 2017 season never happened, then Allen has a QBASE of 161, still the worst of this year's top prospects.

Sam Darnold, USC Trojans
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 3

Projecting Darnold
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: 412 DYAR
Bust ( 51.9%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 29.0%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 15.1%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 4.1%
Based on Football Outsiders' passing S&P+ stats, the USC Trojans had college football's No. 3 passing offense when Darnold was a redshirt freshman in 2016. That dropped to 10th in his sophomore year -- but 10th out of 130 FBS teams is still pretty good. So why is Darnold's QBASE lower than that of other prospects expected to be chosen after him in this year's draft?

The problem is that Darnold has only two years of experience as a starting quarterback in college football, and the track record of top-100 quarterbacks with only two college years started is downright lousy. The best among them are Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Michael Vick and Alex Smith. Aaron Rodgers could count as either a two-year or three-year starter, since like Newton, he also had a year starting in junior college. But for the most part, highly drafted quarterbacks with only two years of college starting experience have underperformed their draft position. Included on the list are some of the biggest busts in NFL draft history: JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Blake Bortles, Mark Sanchez and so forth.

Of course, there was a two-year college starter selected in the later rounds of the draft who turned out to be pretty successful in the NFL: Tom Brady. But Brady is the historical outlier of all outliers, not a historical precedent on which you base a top-five draft pick.

To overcome this penalty in QBASE, a prospect needs to have dominating statistics. Cam Newton did. Alex Smith did. Sam Darnold did not. His stats don't particularly stand out when compared to Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph.

All college quarterbacks are a risk in the NFL. Does Darnold's lack of college experience somehow negate what scouts see on film? No, but we're trying to determine here which quarterbacks are high-risk and which quarterbacks are really high-risk.

In Darnold's defense, the track record of two-year starters may look a lot better with a couple of more years of data. Carson Wentz was a two-year starter, as were Deshaun Watson and Jameis Winston. Also, Darnold faced the most difficult 2017 schedule of any of this year's top quarterback prospects, and his raw statistics are a little more impressive in that light. But that element is already factored into Darnold's QBASE rating.

Josh Rosen, UCLA Bruins
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 8

Projecting Rosen
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: 623 DYAR
Bust ( 46.9%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 24.8%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 18.0%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 10.4%
Rosen is a very typical first-round quarterback prospect. That's not meant to be a negative statement. The average QBASE for first-round picks since 1997 is 620; Rosen is at 623. The average first-round quarterback has 2.7 years of starting experience; Rosen has three. Rosen's APYA (adjusted passing yards per attempt) of 8.5 and completion rate of 62.6 percent are a little below average for a first-round quarterback prospect, but not by much. (The averages are 9.0 and 64.0, respectively.)

Rosen played a slightly harder than average schedule, but also gets docked by QBASE because he had a lot of high-rated talent around him at UCLA. OT Kolton Miller and TE Caleb Wilson are likely to be first-round picks (Miller this year, Wilson in 2019). C Scott Quessenberry and WR Jordan Lasley are also likely to be drafted this year.

Lamar Jackson, Louisville Cardinals
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 38

Projecting Jackson
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: 656 DYAR
Bust ( 46.2%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 26.9%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 18.5%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 8.5%
QBASE is projecting only a quarterback's passing performance, so it doesn't care about Jackson's phenomenal running abilities. But QBASE also clearly thinks that talk of Jackson switching positions is kind of silly. He's just as good a quarterback prospect as any of this year's other young passers not named Baker Mayfield.

Jackson has one stat that lags far behind his others: a completion rate of just 59.1 percent in 2017 and just 57.0 percent for his three-year college career. But his AYPA (8.7) and Louisville's passing S&P+ (11th, right below USC) peg him as a late first-round pick. And unlike other prospects who led top passing offenses last year, Jackson didn't have a lot of great talent around him. Any Louisville receivers and linemen who are drafted (perhaps OT Geron Christian this year and WR Jaylen Smith next year) are likely to be Day 3 picks.

Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State Cowboys
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 79

Projecting Rudolph
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: 343 DYAR
Bust ( 54.2%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 24.8%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 15.5%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 5.6%
Rudolph isn't quite at the Baker Mayfield level, but his raw stats last season were outstanding.

A 10.7 AYPA far surpasses the rest of these prospects, thanks in large part to 37 touchdowns with only nine interceptions. A completion rate of 65.0 percent is also second among these 2017 prospects.

Rudolph's QBASE is lower for two reasons. First, QBASE is factoring in that scouting consensus has Rudolph as a third-round selection, not a first-rounder. Second, unlike Mayfield, Rudolph is getting penalized for putting up his big stats against an easier Big 12 schedule. Mayfield had five games against pass defenses ranked in the S&P+ top 20, while Rudolph had only two (No. 15 TCU and No. 16 Texas).

Kyle Lauletta, Richmond Spiders
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 89

Projecting Lauletta
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: 273 DYAR
Bust ( 56.0%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 24.7%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 14.0%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 5.4%
Projecting FCS-level quarterbacks is extremely difficult. For Lauletta's projection, we approximated that the pass defenses of the Colonial Athletic Association are roughly equivalent to the lowest FBS conference, the Sun Belt. That would give the average defense faced by Lauletta a rank of 90.8, the worst of this year's top prospects.

Lauletta's 8.7 AYPA in his senior year is similar to what Carson Wentz (8.7) and Joe Flacco (8.6) had in their final FCS years, but is far behind the 10.0 APYA put up by Jimmy Garoppolo.

Luke Falk, Washington State Cougars
Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 104

Projecting Falk
Mean Projection in Years 3-5: 277 DYAR
Bust ( 54.5%
Adequate Starter
(500-1499 DYAR) 23.6%
Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 14.4%
Elite (>2500 DYAR) 7.6%
Falk is right in the cusp of qualifying for QBASE, depending on where he is selected on draft day. The basic idea of only using QBASE on the top 100 picks is that if you drop to the third day of the draft, scouts have probably done a good job of determining that your great college stats are a sign of a system quarterback rather than a top NFL talent.

But Falk didn't even have great college stats. His 6.8 APYA last year was even lower than Allen's 6.9, thanks to short throws (just 10.1 yards per completion) and 13 interceptions.

# ? Mar 23, 2018 17:48

FUCKFACE MORON: Apr 23, 2010; by sebmojo

3 DONG HORSE posted:

Average height, black, and mobile. Imho

He attempted to trade for Tyrod so this checks out

# ? Mar 23, 2018 17:51

Bigass Moth: Mar 6, 2004; I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...

Elways loves 7 foot tall Asian scrambling QBs but he just hasn't found his guy yet.

# ? Mar 23, 2018 18:03

3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

piss tape israel posted:

He attempted to trade for Tyrod so this checks out

Don't give me false hope he'll pull the trigger on Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen

# ? Mar 23, 2018 18:06

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/977184098614677504
https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/977237192211910661

1. Darnold
2. Barkley/Nelson/Chubb
3. Rosen

Looking more likely.

Diva Cupcake fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Mar 23, 2018

# ? Mar 23, 2018 18:36

Boosh!: Apr 12, 2002; Oven Wrangler

Diva Cupcake posted:

Darnold
Barkley/Nelson/Chubb
Rosen

Looking more likely.

Gettleman should've traded out then (assuming Jets made the same offer). Come on Bills!

Seeing a lot of "smokescreen!" but what would be the point of that, sitting at #2.

Boosh! fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Mar 23, 2018

# ? Mar 23, 2018 18:51

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Diva Cupcake posted:

https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/977184098614677504
https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/977237192211910661

1. Darnold
2. Barkley/Nelson/Chubb
3. Rosen

Looking more likely.

I think QBs are going 1-2-3. It makes no sense for the giants not to trade if they aren't taking a QB. (They should take Rosen)

# ? Mar 23, 2018 18:52

Bigass Moth: Mar 6, 2004; I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...

Bah gawd Darnold looks like the Demon Kane!!!

# ? Mar 23, 2018 19:03

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

Also, Gettleman has never traded down in 5 drafts.

# ? Mar 23, 2018 19:05

Cash Monet: Apr 5, 2009

I sense...a smokescreen

# ? Mar 23, 2018 19:18

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

Diva Cupcake posted:

Also, Gettleman has never traded down in 5 drafts.

Better than Jerry Reese who never traded down, ever.

# ? Mar 23, 2018 19:27

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

That's kind of a weird position to take, considering that to me Rosen and Mayfield both look better than Darnold.

It's a tough decision, though. If you believe that this year's draft really is the best for a while, and nothing great is coming through next year, take a QB. Eli is not playing that well.

On the other hand, that will be the Giants' only chance to get Chubb, who they like a lot, or Barkley maybe. There are some athletes at the top of the draft board that are actually special, and trading down will take those guys away from you. If you think you can make that up, fine but to me it seems like a bad move.

Honestly, I don't know what the best move in. If you're all in on Eli then sure, take Chubb or Barkley. It would be pretty hilarious though if they end up taking Rosen and therefore screwing up everybody else's plans on draft day.

# ? Mar 23, 2018 19:30

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

It's going to make me so happy when the stupid loving Giants don't use their best chance to get a replacement for Manning and draft some dumb RB.... And then trade Beckham.

# ? Mar 23, 2018 19:33

FUCKFACE MORON: Apr 23, 2010; by sebmojo

Bigass Moth posted:

Bah gawd Darnold looks like the Demon Kane!!!

holy poo poo

# ? Mar 23, 2018 19:45

PupsOfWar: Dec 6, 2013

mcmagic posted:

It's going to make me so happy when the stupid loving Giants don't use their best chance to get a replacement for Manning and draft some dumb RB.... And then trade Beckham.

there is no way they will trade beckham for loving or whatever

# ? Mar 23, 2018 21:19

Cavauro: Jan 9, 2008

Mate. is it cool to draft a center in round 1?

# ? Mar 24, 2018 01:19

nerve: Jan 2, 2011; SKA SUCKS

u shouldn't let what others think bother u, just do what u like

# ? Mar 24, 2018 01:26

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Cavauro posted:

Mate. is it cool to draft a center in round 1?

No you have to take Josh Allen.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 01:27

incompetent: Jun 4, 2013

Cavauro posted:

Mate. is it cool to draft a center in round 1?

you can't take linemen in fantasy football

# ? Mar 24, 2018 01:32

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Ches Neckbeard posted:

No you have to take Josh Allen.

https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/977315614112010241

# ? Mar 24, 2018 02:08

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/977315614112010241

But he's so tall and white

# ? Mar 24, 2018 02:20

D-LINK: Oct 1, 2007; I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.

Cavauro posted:

Mate. is it cool to draft a center in round 1?

I'm glad the Steelers drafted Marquise Pouncey in the 1st round, even if he had a super sketchy relationship with Aaron Hernandez

# ? Mar 24, 2018 02:30

The Notorious ZSB: Apr 19, 2004; I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

Josh Allen was a 2* recruit for a reason (beyond that he grew a ton once he hit campus).

# ? Mar 24, 2018 02:41

Docjowles: Apr 9, 2009

Boosh! posted:

Gettleman should've traded out then (assuming Jets made the same offer). Come on Bills!

The Trubisky trade was a thing that happened. There's more than a month between now and the final seconds of pick #2 for teams to make a swap

Bigass Moth posted:

Bah gawd Darnold looks like the Demon Kane!!!

Darnold looks like some computer algorithm was run against his face that makes a trivial change. 500000 times. Resulting in something extremely unnatural but that you can't quite put your finger on.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 03:29

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/977315614112010241

College :clap: stats :clap: don't :clap: matter :clap:

Also there's like 9 loving prospects from Conference USA and the MAC that I'm going to pull my loving hair out the next time I watch this lovely tape

# ? Mar 24, 2018 04:48

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

TRIP REPORT FROM HELL MARCUS DAVENPORT IS PRETTY GOOD AND EVERY OT IN THE CONFERENCE USA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HOW loving lovely THEY ARE

# ? Mar 24, 2018 04:50

Roasted Donut: Aug 24, 2007; NWA WHITE POWERRR!!!!

Here's a hot loving tip: someone loving sucks in college, surprise surprise, they loving suck dick in the pros. And guess what? Because guess why? Guess what stupid? Josh Allen loving sucked rear end in college.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 06:24

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Docjowles posted:

The Trubisky trade was a thing that happened. There's more than a month between now and the final seconds of pick #2 for teams to make a swap

Darnold looks like some computer algorithm was run against his face that makes a trivial change. 500000 times. Resulting in something extremely unnatural but that you can't quite put your finger on.

Its the jawline

# ? Mar 24, 2018 06:40

Coldforge: Oct 29, 2002; I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

The Glumslinger posted:

Its the jawline

It's more of a jawplane, really.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 07:15

Scionix: Oct 17, 2009; hoog emm xDDD

who can forget such amazing nfl qb's that sucked in college, such as, uh,

# ? Mar 24, 2018 09:39

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Scionix posted:

who can forget such amazing nfl qb's that sucked in college, such as, uh,

brady

# ? Mar 24, 2018 13:39

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

mastershakeman posted:

brady

system QB

# ? Mar 24, 2018 14:11

Bigass Moth: Mar 6, 2004; I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...

Roasted Donut posted:

Here's a hot loving tip: someone loving sucks in college, surprise surprise, they loving suck dick in the pros. And guess what? Because guess why? Guess what stupid? Josh Allen loving sucked rear end in college.

I�m struggling to think of any good NFL player who was trash in college and I can�t think of one. Plenty of guys who didn�t play much but weren�t bad.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 14:16

BlindSite: Feb 8, 2009

mastershakeman posted:

brady

He broke school records and was behind Brian Griese his first two years. His competition for the starting job went on the nfl as well. His passer rating in college was in the 130s, while he obvs wasn't a "blue chip" prospect, to say he was bad is a bit of a stretch.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 14:17

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Bigass Moth posted:

I�m struggling to think of any good NFL player who was trash in college and I can�t think of one. Plenty of guys who didn�t play much but weren�t bad.

Matt Ryan wasn't great.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 14:22

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

BlindSite posted:

He broke school records and was behind Brian Griese his first two years. His competition for the starting job went on the nfl as well. His passer rating in college was in the 130s, while he obvs wasn't a "blue chip" prospect, to say he was bad is a bit of a stretch.

Spent his entire career playing second fiddle to a Griese lol

# ? Mar 24, 2018 14:27

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Ehud posted:

Spent his entire career playing second fiddle to a Griese lol

Nah, half of it was with Drew Henson. Which I'm not sure even Drew Henson can explain.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 15:14

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Grittybeard posted:

Nah, half of it was with Drew Henson. Which I'm not sure even Drew Henson can explain.

Football/baseball local highschool legend, was guaranteed starter reps if he went to Michigan.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 15:21

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 18:26

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

Roasted Donut posted:

Here's a hot loving tip: someone loving sucks in college, surprise surprise, they loving suck dick in the pros. And guess what? Because guess why? Guess what stupid? Josh Allen loving sucked rear end in college.

I think this is only true of QBs. I've seen plenty of do nothing DEs and DTs get drafted on size alone and do well in the NFL to avoid that rule. Same with WRs.

lovely QBs are really lovely though.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 15:30

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