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Never thought I'd see the day Dershowitz accidentally wandered into the right side of history.
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Orange Devil posted:Never thought I'd see the day Dershowitz accidentally wandered into the right side of history. Even a broken human is right twice a lifetime
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Mar 18, 2018 15:23
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Kim Jong Il posted:Once again you're both wrong, and have cited zero evidence for your fictitious claims. And on 6/11, Israel fired a missile into Gaza, assassinating a Hamas political figure and killing a Palestinian civilian (a child, in fact) in direct violation of the ceasefire. So how is then that when Israel breaks the ceasefire and launches a deadly projectile into Gaza, this isn't Israel starting a war but when (primarily non-Hamas) militants fire piss rockets into Israel after the latter has already torn the ceasefire agreement to shreds, they're responsible for starting the war? Oh, right: the Palestinians are always to blame.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:32
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Orange Devil posted:Never thought I'd see the day Dershowitz accidentally wandered into the right side of history.
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Mar 20, 2018 06:51
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Main Paineframe posted:A month of escalation by Israel. Of course Israel cited the rocket fire - they'd spent the previous four weeks doing everything they could to provoke some sort of pushback, such as arresting hundreds of people and engaging in dozens of airstrikes against Gaza (while deliberately concealing the deaths of the kidnapping victims so that they could continue their draconian crackdown), eventually leading Hamas to launch rockets for the first time in over a year. This is utter rubbish. Retaliation against Hamas attacks is not one sided escalation. And didn't you just say there were no violations? quote:In any case, the actual reason for the war was neither the kidnappings nor the rockets - it was a Palestinian reconciliation agreement and unity government This is laughable conspiracy nonsense. There's zero evidence for this, and there's a mountain of evidence that Hamas and Fatah need no help to utterly despise each other. You're conveniently ignoring the actual incentives for war - that Hamas intentionally escalates conflicts to maintain their grasp on power, and has a track record of doing this since the early 90s.
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Mar 21, 2018 04:35
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impressive, that israel was retaliating, on 6/11
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Mar 21, 2018 04:56
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I'm sorry that comment back there came off flippant and cruel; that wasn't the way I should have worded the point I wanted to make. In the future I will try to show more of my compassion for Palestinians and to be more vigilant against myself making assholey sounding comments, but no promises.Miftan posted:For the record, I was at those protest where according to Steve the IDF has good reasons to switch to live ammo. Did I say the IDF had good reason to switch to live ammo? Or did I clarify that they don't do these things purely for the evulz? My intention is usually the latter but maybe it sometimes comes off as the former. ANIME AKBAR posted:
Granted, it would have been smarter to set up some kind of long-term sting operation with cameras to cook up some better hasbara, and arrest them the minute they set foot on Israeli territory. FreshlyShaven posted:And on 6/11, Israel fired a missile into Gaza, assassinating a Hamas political figure and killing a Palestinian civilian (a child, in fact) in direct violation of the ceasefire. So how is then that when Israel breaks the ceasefire and launches a deadly projectile into Gaza, this isn't Israel starting a war but when (primarily non-Hamas) militants fire piss rockets into Israel after the latter has already torn the ceasefire agreement to shreds, they're responsible for starting the war? Oh, right: the Palestinians are always to blame. I'm looking at several complete casualty lists for that year and I can't find anything that happened on 6/11/2014. None of the events earlier that year meet your description, either.
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Mar 21, 2018 07:10
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Uhhh, yelling out at an atrocity "no don't do it, it's bad optics" is hardly an act of a hero Yeah but it's still on the side of not committing the atrocity, which is progress, especially for Dershowitz.
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Mar 21, 2018 09:30
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Kim Jong Il posted:This is utter rubbish. Retaliation against Hamas attacks is not one sided escalation. And didn't you just say there were no violations? if someone fires dinky rockets into your country that don't hurt anyone and your response is to kill thousands of people in bombings yeah it's one sided escalation.
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Mar 21, 2018 11:36
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Kim Jong Il posted:Likud intentionally escalates conflicts to maintain their grasp on power, and has a track record of doing this since the early 90s. Yes.
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Mar 21, 2018 12:25
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Nameless_Steve posted:I'm looking at several complete casualty lists for that year and I can't find anything that happened on 6/11/2014. I guess your casualty lists aren't all that complete, then. quote:Ali al-Awour (pictured above on the left) was a 10-year-old boy from Gaza who loved to play soccer. On June 11, 2014, Ali was riding on the back of his uncle’s motorcycle when an Israeli missile targeting his uncle, a suspected member of a militant group, struck the vehicle. He found himself on a hospital bed in intensive care for three days before dying of his wounds.
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Mar 21, 2018 20:54
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https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/976487143953588224
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Mar 21, 2018 20:56
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Nameless_Steve posted:I'm sorry that comment back there came off flippant and cruel; that wasn't the way I should have worded the point I wanted to make. In the future I will try to show more of my compassion for Palestinians and to be more vigilant against myself making assholey sounding comments, but no promises. Granted, it would have been smarter to set up some kind of long-term sting operation with cameras to cook up some better hasbara, and arrest them the minute they set foot on Israeli territory. I'm looking at several complete casualty lists for that year and I can't find anything that happened on 6/11/2014. None of the events earlier that year meet your description, either. [/quote] By and large the tunnels are for smuggling basic supplies and to allow Palestinians to travel to work in Israel. Im sure those are also attacks in your estimation. Imagine this scenario with the US and Mexico. Would you defend the US carpet bombing Mexico City because of illegal immigration? Hopefully not because it is absolutely disproportionate.
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Mar 21, 2018 21:09
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looks like both sides has a few bad apples. guess the palestinians really do deserve annihilation, can't go around hurting people feelings like that
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Mar 21, 2018 21:14
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In case you were wondering Elor's mom's fingernails spell "גיבור של אמא" - Mommy's Hero. Classy family, for sure. While we're at it:  Elor: "Bibi you crossdresser, who needs a cease fire, tear into them and their mothers!!" Elor's dad, Charlie: "drat straight, tear into them and their mothers" Elor: "Kill them all" ... Elor's mom: "Those who hurt jews must be exterminated, women and children too, and first and foremost [MK Haneen] Zoabi!" emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Mar 23, 2018 |
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Mar 23, 2018 14:18
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Forgot the part where Elor's mom actually says 'we should stop being human and kill them', so uh, at least they're meeting their goals, I guess?
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Mar 23, 2018 14:27
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Mar 23, 2018 14:41
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Nameless_Steve posted:They don't need to prove it was specifically for arms nor for an imminent attack. ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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Mar 24, 2018 01:15
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The beauty too is if you go back in time the excuse Israel gave for its violations changed daily. They finally ended up saying it was because of tunnels yet tunnels had nothing to do with the kidnappings or the subsequent invasion of the west bank (brothers keeper iirc) which at first was said to be to try and find the kidnapped person. Of course once it is revealed that they knew they were killed even as they were doing this they had to pivot. Then it became about the half dozen piss rockets launched which even the IDF says was rogue people and not directed by Hamas. Then it became about the tunnels. The entire time Israel is progressively escalating it up to full blow military attacks. Which was also revealed that the IDF had been planning that since the ceasefire began. And all of that treats the situation as if it were two sovereign powers duking it out. In reality Israel has Palestine completely subjugated and not only were their actions heinous but violated international law including treaties Israel is party to. There is absolutely no excuse for their actions, even if you took everything they said and did at face value, which you absolutely should not.
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Mar 24, 2018 03:03
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Yeah I still recall vividly the day the narrative for Pillar of Defense changed from "wipe out Hamas/stop the rockets" to "destroy all the tunnels." Later it was reported that when the IDF ground invasion started, they encountered practically no organized resistance and were just going around wrecking poo poo until they realized that it wasn't turning into the righteous, telegenic invasion they planned on. That's when it became all about tunnels.
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Mar 24, 2018 04:20
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I remember all the smartphone footage coming out of the first few days of the invasion which painted the IDF in a real bad light. They naturally responded in the least incriminating way possible, by declaring that Hamas were using the power plant to store rockets and guns, and bombing the poo poo out of it. The footage dried up within a few days. Was that plant ever repaired? I remember MIGF or someone insisting that Israel were the good guys because they hooked up the area to a functioning plant in Israel and only cut the power a couple of times a day.
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Mar 24, 2018 12:15
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ANIME AKBAR posted:Yeah I still recall vividly the day the narrative for Pillar of Defense changed from "wipe out Hamas/stop the rockets" to "destroy all the tunnels." Later it was reported that when the IDF ground invasion started, they encountered practically no organized resistance and were just going around wrecking poo poo until they realized that it wasn't turning into the righteous, telegenic invasion they planned on. That's when it became all about tunnels. Well you know, gotta mow the lawn regularly. Otherwise these helots might get uppity.
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Mar 24, 2018 12:24
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Conveniently pretty much anything counts as "terrorist infrastructure" if you stretch the definition enough. Or just don't give a poo poo in the first place. e: It occurs to me that's the whole point as like 60% of the google hits for that phrase are justifying the IDF blowing poo poo up and another 30% are justifying blowing poo poo up in Pakistan. Technically terrorists use electricity and sewer systems though, right? 
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Mar 24, 2018 14:10
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I remember all the smartphone footage coming out of the first few days of the invasion which painted the IDF in a real bad light. They naturally responded in the least incriminating way possible, by declaring that Hamas were using the power plant to store rockets and guns, and bombing the poo poo out of it. The footage dried up within a few days. It seems to not be fully repaired, and is only operating at partial capacity. That's one of the few categories where the failure of the rebuilding efforts to get off the ground hasn't really been a problem, though, because constant fuel shortages have meant that they can't even run the working portions of the plant at capacity.
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Mar 25, 2018 02:55
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So apparently there's just been many reports of sirens going off in Israeli settlements near Gaza. The army's claimed there's been rocket attacks and is charging into Gaza even though no rocket-impacts have been located.
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Mar 25, 2018 21:04
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https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/978001397412134915?s=19
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Mar 25, 2018 21:12
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I hope that means the army's not charging in after all...
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Mar 25, 2018 21:14
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I haven't seen a word about that. Just that the iron dome was activated in response to machine gun fire in Gaza, which sounds like a really lame excuse.
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Mar 25, 2018 21:15
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I was half-listening to the report on the Israeli channel 1 night news until I realized what I was hearing so it makes sense I mixed things up a bit.
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Mar 25, 2018 21:17
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It wasn't really clear what was going on 15 minutes ago either. Lot of people looking dumb right now, like her. https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/978002159806697472?s=19 Posted a bunch of videos of the alleged Hamas rockets and then the IDF said there weren't any lol.
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Mar 25, 2018 21:21
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Volkerball posted:It wasn't really clear what was going on 15 minutes ago either. Lot of people looking dumb right now, like her. They could have been Iron Dome interceptors, which are rockets. 
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Mar 25, 2018 21:25
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https://www.facebook.com/DimonaNews/videos/1489321934527449/
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Mar 25, 2018 21:38
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Absurd Alhazred posted:They could have been Iron Dome interceptors, which are rockets. That's not how she framed it.
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Mar 25, 2018 23:10
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Volkerball posted:That's not how she framed it. She was clearly mistaken. But it's not like there was just nothing going on and she fabricated rockets out of whole cloth.
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Mar 25, 2018 23:21
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Are there tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists in Israel like here in the states? They're probably having a good time right now
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Mar 26, 2018 01:21
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Main Paineframe posted:It seems to not be fully repaired, and is only operating at partial capacity. That's one of the few categories where the failure of the rebuilding efforts to get off the ground hasn't really been a problem, though, because constant fuel shortages have meant that they can't even run the working portions of the plant at capacity. You know, the list that already has construction materials and basic supplies on it
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Mar 26, 2018 13:20
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Hey! You could easily stab a soldier with a construction paper shiv!
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Mar 26, 2018 15:55
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RandomPauI posted:Hey! You could easily stab a soldier with a construction paper shiv!
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Mar 26, 2018 21:09
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https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/978710169067630592?s=19 https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/978743722555953152?s=19
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Volkerball posted:https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/978710169067630592?s=19 I recommend resigning for his health.
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