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Nasgate posted:Dragon Age 2, with its flaws that you've stated that I don't disagree with is still the best Dragon Age game. The reason both of the #2 games they made were the best of their series is because they didn't overstay their welcome. This is why Inquisition, although better than Andromeda, is bland feeling garbage that only hardcore Dragon Age nerds discuss anymore or ever beat. Bioware should never have tried to go open-world and they should've learned their lesson from Inquisition. Are you loving high lmao dragon age 2 was iredeemable poo poo. Much like Kai Leng in Mass effect 3, except the entire game
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Nobody ever beat Dragon Age 3. Is there a three paragraph write-up somewhere explaining the way it wrapped up and the big outcomes of hte non-trash party members?
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Mar 24, 2018 14:16
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Dragon age 2 was fine don’t @ me
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Mar 24, 2018 14:33
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Only literally crazy people like Dragon Age 2. However, you currently find yourself in a Bioware thread.
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Mar 24, 2018 14:33
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orange juche posted:Are you loving high lmao dragon age 2 was iredeemable poo poo. Much like Kai Leng in Mass effect 3, except the entire game I'm not disagreeing. But it passes the low bar of being better than Inquisition and Origin.
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Mar 24, 2018 15:59
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Ainsley McTree posted:Dragon age 2 was fine don’t @ me Stop this! >:-(
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Mar 24, 2018 16:06
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Nasgate posted:I'm not disagreeing. But it passes the low bar of being better than Inquisition and Origin. this is insane and a troll and frankly the mods need to step in before it gets worse
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Mar 24, 2018 16:12
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the truest fact: if dragon age 2 had a budget and real production time instead of being a victim of EA thinking all its properties could be milked every year like it can with madden, nhl, fifa, nba, etc da2 would have been the best game of 2011 full stop instead of resorting to aggressively recycling maps, cutting central plot elements, using 90s jrpg trigger tiles to spawn enemy waves, etc,etc, etc instead it'll forever be a super divisive cult classic that still managed to get some people to really like it despite having been otherwise massively disadvantaged at like every level
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Mar 24, 2018 18:12
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they're still promoting this game on social media, it's kind of adorable https://twitter.com/masseffect/status/977590886480560129
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Mar 24, 2018 18:19
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Pattonesque posted:they're still promoting this game on social media, it's kind of adorable who's the salarian. i don't remember any salarians
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Mar 24, 2018 18:24
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Ainsley McTree posted:who's the salarian. i don't remember any salarians The pilot of the ship I think
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Mar 24, 2018 18:27
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Ainsley McTree posted:who's the salarian. i don't remember any salarians he's the pilot
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Mar 24, 2018 18:27
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Not ringing any bells
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Mar 24, 2018 18:31
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Pattonesque posted:they're still promoting this game on social media, it's kind of adorable That is the saddest prize.
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Mar 24, 2018 18:32
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Do people still play the multiplayer, even?
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Mar 24, 2018 18:33
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hard counter posted:the truest fact: if dragon age 2 had a budget and real production time instead of being a victim of EA thinking all its properties could be milked every year like it can with madden, nhl, fifa, nba, etc da2 would have been the best game of 2011 full stop instead of resorting to aggressively recycling maps, cutting central plot elements, using 90s jrpg trigger tiles to spawn enemy waves, etc,etc, etc I don't necessarily disagree with the first paragraph but the second paragraph whoooo boy slow your roll amigo Da2 isn't a cult classic it's extremely bad and people liking it is just proof that given a large enough N all values will exist
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Mar 24, 2018 18:36
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hard counter posted:instead it'll forever be a super divisive cult classic that still managed to get some people to really like it despite having been otherwise massively disadvantaged at like every level dude https://i.imgur.com/qW3LByf.mp4
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Mar 24, 2018 18:43
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The fact that these dead gay forums have like 20 regular posters left and 3 of them happen to think Dragon Age 2 wasn't THAT bad no honest guys really does not a "cult classic" make.
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Mar 24, 2018 18:45
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Yeah I have no problem saying DA2 had some really good, hell maybe great, ideas, but the whole package was a giant turd
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Mar 24, 2018 18:47
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:a giant turd a poo poo mountain
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Mar 24, 2018 18:50
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Varrick and Fenris were good tho
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Mar 24, 2018 18:55
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:I don't necessarily disagree with the first paragraph but the second paragraph whoooo boy slow your roll amigo i would deffo call it a cult classic just because it's formed creative communities around that are loads more active than origins, inquisition or me:a at this point in time - for e.g. people are still modding that fuckin' thing whereas hardly anyone's touched inquisition in like 2 years - but i'm not going to argue the exact meaning of a word here if you want to disagree what is important tho is it picked up that extra interest by being very different and standing out from the rest, like you can only go to da2 if you want a story where the protagonist is mostly swept up in events instead of being a hurricane of progress in a static, stagnant world for eg, just the same way other niche cult classics earn their extra interest - it's a huge shame da2 blatantly cut corners no AAA developer in the right mind would ever cut just to make EA's bottom line
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Pattonesque posted:they're still promoting this game on social media, it's kind of adorable 67 people are talking about this e: as of the time it took to make a post it went up to 71
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hard counter posted:i would deffo call it a cult classic just because it's formed creative communities around that are loads more active than origins, inquisition or me:a at this point in time - for e.g. people are still modding that fuckin' thing whereas hardly anyone's touched inquisition in like 2 years - but i'm not going to argue the exact meaning of a word here if you want to disagree Okay but let's use the connotation of cult that's more "crazy weirdos that believe fake poo poo" as opposed to "dedicated fans" and we got a deal, first beers are on me
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Mar 24, 2018 19:39
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DA2 was a weird one for me. I was hooked when I got it, played for like six or seven hours straight, and then literally never touched it again. As soon as I quit out, any and all interest died. I ended up following the SA thread and learning about the bonkers plot that way.
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Mar 24, 2018 19:44
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hard counter posted:for e.g. people are still modding that fuckin' thing whereas hardly anyone's touched inquisition in like 2 years isn't that more a consequence of Frostbite than anything else?
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Pattonesque posted:they're still promoting this game on social media, it's kind of adorable lol, that shitshow killed a studio. also apparently all of bioware is working on anthem now, DA4 has a skeleton crew at best working on it, which will probaly suck rear end either because its broken or because "games as a service"
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Rinkles posted:isn't that more a consequence of Frostbite than anything else? Yeah I was gonna say, DA2 was very mod-friendly (I assume, based on the amount of mods for it) but Inquisition's a real struggle
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Pattonesque posted:they're still promoting this game on social media, it's kind of adorable They all look dead inside, just like Bioware
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hard counter posted:i would deffo call it a cult classic just because it's formed creative communities around that are loads more active than origins, inquisition or me:a at this point in time - for e.g. people are still modding that fuckin' thing whereas hardly anyone's touched inquisition in like 2 years - but i'm not going to argue the exact meaning of a word here if you want to disagree DA2's friendship/rivalry system was also, I think, the best implementation of an approval system throughout the series. Granted it had its issues (like the paragon/renegade system in ME1 and 2 it only rewarded going whole hog on either end of the spectrum), but it was a neat concept and let you have an interesting relationship with a character you didn't like rather than DAO's and DAI's system of the NPC might as well not even be there unless you butter them up a lot.
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hard counter posted:i would deffo call it a cult classic just because it's formed creative communities around that are loads more active than origins, inquisition or me:a at this point in time - for e.g. people are still modding that fuckin' thing whereas hardly anyone's touched inquisition in like 2 years - but i'm not going to argue the exact meaning of a word here if you want to disagree id say its a cult classic, it has a ton of issues but it has enough interesting concepts and mechanics that either work sorta well or are at least interesting. with a better publisher it could be a classic. DA:I is a cult classic too but it got blown out by the witcher 3 and then everyone forgot about it. origins is good but its also aged a ton.
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:Okay but let's use the connotation of cult that's more "crazy weirdos that believe fake poo poo" as opposed to "dedicated fans" and we got a deal, first beers are on me yeah alright, i can live with that i've spent too much time posting about da2 of all things so it's probably a least a little true  Rinkles posted:isn't that more a consequence of Frostbite than anything else? maybe if i were comparing quality/creativity of mods the steeper entry would be a factor but in da:i's case the modding community was nonetheless getting some work done when the game was fresh and enthusiasm was high but then had a steep drop off in interest as time went on, the game just couldn't keep people caring about it shouldn't be too hard to believe since we've been talking about how bland it was for the past few pages e: Dapper_Swindler posted:DA:I is a cult classic too but it got blown out by the witcher 3 and then everyone forgot about it. origins is good but its also aged a ton. to me da:i is like one of those games that was reasonably popular and competently made for the time it was released but has since been so outdone at the things it tried to do, like having an open world rpg and all that, that it feels more obsolete than it should be like people were talking about how badly it might've been clobbered if it was a late 2015 instead of a late 2014 not long ago hard counter fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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hard counter posted:the truest fact: if dragon age 2 had a budget and real production time instead of being a victim of EA thinking all its properties could be milked every year like it can with madden, nhl, fifa, nba, etc da2 would have been the best game of 2011 full stop instead of resorting to aggressively recycling maps, cutting central plot elements, using 90s jrpg trigger tiles to spawn enemy waves, etc,etc, etc I like it but am secure enough in my poo poo to know that the game is real, real bad.
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Mar 25, 2018 00:24
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The MMO copycat craze had WoW to cause the feeding frenzy and long list of dead studios. What is driving the game as service MBA cargo cult this time?
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:Yeah I have no problem saying DA2 had some really good, hell maybe great, ideas, but the whole package was a giant turd Exactly this. The concept of the game taking place over a long span of time and mostly within one metropolis is a great one. They just did not have the development time or budget to properly realise any real part of it.
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Pattonesque posted:they're still promoting this game on social media, it's kind of adorable "hey guys remember that thing that everyone liked in ME3, but only really worked because it was in the final piece of DLC for a beloved trilogy? well, what if we put that in our horrible spin-off"
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anyway, one of the better ideas DA2 had (the first act is just doing whatever necessary to get money to do [thing]) was stolen entirely from BG2
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Mokinokaro posted:Exactly this. This is mostly where I come from. 2 is a great game executed poorly. DA:I is a poo poo game executed professionally. Origins is an okay game executed archaically. Also, since the Dragonlance ripoff blight plot wasn't the main plot in 2, it's automatically better story wise than the other two.
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Arglebargle III posted:The MMO copycat craze had WoW to cause the feeding frenzy and long list of dead studios. What is driving the game as service MBA cargo cult this time? At least for EA it's FIFA Ultimate Team which earns them nearly a billion dollars a year from
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Arglebargle III posted:The MMO copycat craze had WoW to cause the feeding frenzy and long list of dead studios. What is driving the game as service MBA cargo cult this time? Lootboxes and match-based games, mainly. They're more ideal than MMO's, because you hook in the players who can "merely" spend half an hour at a time on a game rather than needing to invest a multi-hour session to see any real progress. And get them dropping money on lootboxes for skins/weapons/accessories. It's also more economic, because you make something a shitload simpler than an MMO world for a fraction of the cost and development time while keeping similar profits through lootbox whales. Questions like "How do I keep things stable at 12/16/64 players for twenty minutes?" are also much easier to solve than "how do I keep a server stable with 2,000+ active players in one location at the same time with zero downtime outside of maintenance windows?" The problem they're all going to run into, however, is there's only so much player attention to go around. It's not an issue with single-player games like Wolfenstein, DooM, Dishonored, or whatever, because they're individually about 10-12 hours long apiece. Finish one, move on, everyone turns a profit. With a "service" game, however, everyone thinks they'll have the next PubG, or DOTA, or Overwatch... but the problem is they have to make players stop playing those games. Even with Anthem trying to be the next Destiny, the main audience for that is going to be Destiny players.
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