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ThndrShk2k posted:The funniest thing (and saddest) about people wanting to 100% ban guns is that the only really compelling argument they have isn't that people are getting hurt, but that things have changed since even 100 years ago and we don't need them anyway Rome didn't have drones you dumbass.
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ThndrShk2k posted:The funniest thing (and saddest) about people wanting to 100% ban guns is that the only really compelling argument they have isn't that people are getting hurt, but that things have changed since even 100 years ago and we don't need them anyway People getting hurt is a compelling argument
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docbeard posted:That's something Schumer said back in 2005, when Bolton was being nominated to be the US Ambassador to the UN. We have always lived in a one party state.
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ThndrShk2k posted:The funniest thing (and saddest) about people wanting to 100% ban guns is that the only really compelling argument they have isn't that people are getting hurt, but that things have changed since even 100 years ago and we don't need them anyway i like how you're incredibly cocksure about private ownership of firearms but have issues with fundamentally understanding secret ballot voting
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docbeard posted:That's something Schumer said back in 2005, when Bolton was being nominated to be the US Ambassador to the UN. even joe lieberman voted against him
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Mar 25, 2018 15:55
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WampaLord posted:Rome didn't have drones you dumbass. neither did the vietnamese or afghans but im sure those adventures went very well for us *checks notes* oh
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Dairy Days posted:neither did the vietnamese or afghans but im sure those adventures went very well for us *checks notes* oh If there was an insurgency in America that the government wanted to put down, all they have to do is use the NSA to figure out where they live, then rain down drone missiles on them. Let me know how well your rooty tooty point and shooty does then.
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WampaLord posted:If there was an insurgency in America that the government wanted to put down, all they have to do is use the NSA to figure out where they live, then rain down drone missiles on them. yes, precisely, this is why ISIS was wiped out the moment they started and the Iraqi occupation went off without a scratch
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SKULL.GIF posted:yes, precisely, this is why ISIS was wiped out the moment they started and the Iraqi occupation went off without a scratch "But...but...but...THE TALIBAN!"  This counter argument is so loving dumb that I'm not going to even bother. You're not the Taliban. I'll admit that I'm a lefty who's not super pro gun, which apparently is a minority view here, but holy poo poo y'all get just as dumb as the TFR people when you think you can loving revolt against the US government just because you have a gun.
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This is an Onion article. I refuse to believe otherwise.
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MizPiz posted:This is an Onion article. I refuse to believe otherwise. Yes.
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WampaLord posted:I'll admit that I'm a lefty who's not super pro gun, which apparently is a minority view here, but holy poo poo y'all get just as dumb as the TFR people when you think you can loving revolt against the US government just because you have a gun. no I'm pretty sure most of us want to ban guns too Stop attacking strawmen
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Mar 25, 2018 16:23
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SKULL.GIF posted:no I'm pretty sure most of us want to ban guns too There is definitely a super pro gun lefty contingent who thinks the socialist revolution must be armed. Jeb! Repetition posted:The Bundys proved you actually can defy the US government if you have guns Yea worked out really well for that Finnicum fella, eh?
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Mar 25, 2018 16:24
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The Bundys proved you actually can defy the US government if you have guns
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WampaLord posted:There is definitely a super pro gun lefty contingent who thinks the socialist revolution must be armed. Until guns are banned, leftists should be armed Ban guns
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luckily the argument is happening over the internet, where the only weapons you can use is *takes deep breath* linguistic killshots
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Illegal in three states plus alaska
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The Bundys proved you actually can defy the US government if you're white
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you can beat anybody as long as you're white and live in a dumbass state that somehow fucks up in convicting your crimes.mov
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WampaLord posted:Yea worked out really well for that Finnicum fella, eh? No but Cliven Bundy got to keep stealing public grass for perpetuity with no consequences
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Jeb! Repetition posted:No but Cliven Bundy got to keep stealing public grass for perpetuity with no consequences My point being, Finnicum decided to make his stand using his 2nd Amendment rights and oops it turns out the Feds are more well armed and better trained and they killed him no problem. Cliven was smart enough to not get into a shootout with the Feds, thus not actually using his 2nd Amendment right to rebel against the government. That's my entire point, if you actually try to use your gun, you will get loving murdered by the Feds. TLDR - you're not going to get socialism with guns
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Phone posted:i like how you're incredibly cocksure about private ownership of firearms but have issues with fundamentally understanding secret ballot voting
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WampaLord posted:My point being, Finnicum decided to make his stand using his 2nd Amendment rights and oops it turns out the Feds are more well armed and better trained and they killed him no problem. At the April 12 standoff Bundy said "we're ready to take the country over with force," had his militia pointing rifles at federal rangers, and ordered them to fire if the feds did. They were absolutely using their second amendment right to rebel. BLM gave him all his cows back and ran off with their tail between their legs. WampaLord posted:TLDR - you're not going to get socialism with guns Well I agree with that
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ThndrShk2k posted:I like how you make assumptions without fully reading but don't see how prohibition doesn't work. Sorry to take the helldump bait but are you really against secret ballots
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Seven hours, thirteen minutes until the release of the piss tape Edit: Meant to post this in the Trump thread
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Jeb! Repetition posted:At the April 12 standoff Bundy said "we're ready to take the country over with force," had his militia pointing rifles at federal rangers, and ordered them to fire if the feds did. They were absolutely using their second amendment right to rebel. BLM gave him all his cows back and ran off with their tail between their legs. point of order: those weren’t even his loving cows in the first place
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Jeb! Repetition posted:At the April 12 standoff Bundy said "we're ready to take the country over with force," had his militia pointing rifles at federal rangers, and ordered them to fire if the feds did. They were absolutely using their second amendment right to rebel. Weren't the federal rangers several hundred yards away? "pointing rifles at" is doing a lot of work here.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:No but Cliven Bundy got to keep stealing public grass for perpetuity with no consequences i mean, he did up getting arrested and going to jail, and was only rescued from a lifetime in prison by extreme prosecutorial misconduct. but regardless, i'd say the approach the government took - letting them disband and then arresting them afterward - was vastly better than their usual approach of "shoot at them because we have an extreme need to always win every standoff."
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SKULL.GIF posted:Stop attacking strawmen ... I yell into the void and the void offers no response.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Sorry to take the helldump bait but are you really against secret ballots The end result of the conversation of course is that there would need to be some complex way of verifying votes (which could be more mystery and thus useless, or open and revealing too much information like timestamps.), or a spoofing receipt that can be given out if coereced (by a spouse or anyone else) if tracking is available (since without tracking there is no way to have citizens themselves verify votes without a complex process.) Granted some people thought it was advocating for a 100% replacement of paper ballot system rather than a discussion of using technology to duplicate and enhance such securities in the light of existing electronic systems being hilariously worse than what could be considered a properly implemented system with either of the above flaws. In the end it was agreed that New England has the best paper ballot verification system and it should be modernized via webstreams so anyone can watch the people count the ballots.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:point of order: those weren’t even his loving cows in the first place lol
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Concerned Citizen posted:i mean, he did up getting arrested and going to jail, and was only rescued from a lifetime in prison by extreme prosecutorial misconduct. but regardless, i'd say the approach the government took - letting them disband and then arresting them afterward - was vastly better than their usual approach of "shoot at them because we have an extreme need to always win every standoff." On the other hand, releasing the cattle in particular set a terrible precedent and the situation still hasn't been fixed nearly four years later
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Governments are able to throw unlimited resources at insurrections directly undermining their ability to utilize said resources. Interesting.
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WampaLord posted:Rome didn't have drones you dumbass. Puts me in mind of that old red text "Rome did not have robots, fuckwit"
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Really though if we have reached the end of history because capitalist elites are unbeatable techno gods with omniscient Intel and infinite drones then we should all embrace slavery and fascism because that will be the only thing possible.
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