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iospace posted:Bit of "yeah, it is" and "no, it isn't": Yeah I thought the original image was just comparing last year and this year until I looked at it for a bit.
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DoctorGonzo posted:They did. Note the "on track". They passed Lewis while he was in the pits, not on track.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:22
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Just watched the highlights... - Hamilton didn't win - Alonso top 5 - Seems like there were some good battles F1 is... good again?
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Mar 26, 2018 14:29
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Not being facetious, I missed most of the race. Were there actually any good battles? All I saw was Lewis being unable to pass Vettel despite being faster, Ricciardo being unable to overtake Kimi despite being faster, and Verstappen being unable to overtake whoever he was behind despite being faster. I put that down to the track being godawful, which it has been for years. How many on track overtakes were there during the race?
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Mar 26, 2018 14:32
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I for one am shocked that these cars can't overtake eachother, there was nothing in the prior 12 months that suggested this was going to be the state of the sport in 2018.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:36
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Now it’s not 5am and we have all sat down and watched the F1 at a reasonable hour I have some thoughts. Mostly about Sir Otkin who is is causing drama My kids watch those YouTube channels with pretty young rich people advertising stuff on them and Sir Otkin looks like he has a YouTube channel. He keeps loving winking at interviewers before mumbling incoherent gobbledygook at the camera, so of course 2/3 of my teenage daughters are utterly captivated. The engineering one thinks “OH MY GOD [name] HE’S JUST A poo poo BACKMARKER!!HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO TOUCH CARLOS SAINZ ” 
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Mar 26, 2018 14:38
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I get the sense from all the post-race stuff that Ferrari was pretty shaken by Hamilton's quali lap on Saturday and a bit by how easily he was able to keep out of Kimi's undercut on Sunday. It doesn't seem as bad as say 2015 but it seems pretty clear that they won on pure luck (which Vettel said multiple times) and that their car doesn't seem nearly as quick early on.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:38
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Noone has ever overtaken in Australia though, that's why I asked if there were actually any good battles. It is a godawful track, literally monaco but somehow worse and full of Australians to cap it all off. The only reason people look forward to the race every year is its the first one and they've been starved all winter.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:39
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learnincurve posted:Now it’s not 5am and we have all sat down and watched the F1 at a reasonable hour I have some thoughts. Mostly about Sir Otkin who is is causing drama 
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Mar 26, 2018 14:40
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They added a shitload of downforce last year because everyone kept moaning that the cars looked slow, and shockingly this decreased overtaking, so now everyone is moaning that they need to go back to the 2016 cars. F1 fans are idiots.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:41
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Feels Villeneuve posted:They added a shitload of downforce last year because everyone kept moaning that the cars looked slow, and shockingly this decreased overtaking, so now everyone is moaning that they need to go back to the 2016 cars. F1 fans are idiots. It is 100% this.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:42
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1500quidporsche posted:It is 100% this. Unpopular opinion: If you like actual racing, passing, and high risk, NASCAR has always been better than F1. F1 is about personalities, spectacle, and the respect for thin margins of error and insane engineering.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:48
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Pook Good Mook posted:Unpopular opinion: If you like actual racing, passing, and high risk, NASCAR has always been better than F1. F1 is about personalities, spectacle, and the respect for thin margins of error and insane engineering. Nascar has been dogshit for racing in the last ten years.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:49
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Pook Good Mook posted:Unpopular opinion: If you like actual racing, passing, and high risk, NASCAR has always been better than F1. F1 is about personalities, spectacle, and the respect for thin margins of error and insane engineering. Counterpoint: passing isn't entertaining when it's incredibly easy.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:49
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After trying to watch the ESPN cast, I said screw it, and got  and had a much better time. God, that was a shitshow.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:52
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The GT racing has always been the tin top version of F1 https://www.blancpain-gt-series.com Next race 10 days away and it’s free to stream live, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zZ1GGt1Vag
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Mar 26, 2018 14:52
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NtotheTC posted:Not being facetious, I missed most of the race. Were there actually any good battles? All I saw was Lewis being unable to pass Vettel despite being faster, Ricciardo being unable to overtake Kimi despite being faster, and Verstappen being unable to overtake whoever he was behind despite being faster. I put that down to the track being godawful, which it has been for years. 4-8 (the Red Bulls, Haas'es, McLarens and Renaults) were super close (especially before Haas done goofed) Basticle fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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Mar 26, 2018 14:53
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The Kimoa Kid posted:Counterpoint: passing isn't entertaining when it's incredibly easy. There was difficult passing in F1 in the 80s, they'd have their nose up the rear end of the car infront for 1/3rd of the race. There's nothing difficult about passing now, you either need a 1.5 seconds a lap differential to make the pass or you have to sit 2 seconds behind to not kill the engine in tires.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:54
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To be honest I'm completely numb to all the overtaking discourse because growing up there were shitloads of editorials and posts about how the lack of overtaking in F1 was killing the sport every single season, except during the DRS years where people instead switched to too much overtaking in F1 killing the sport.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:57
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Passing shouldn't be easy (see: drs), getting alongside someone should be. Side by side is exciting.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:57
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ilmucche posted:Passing shouldn't be easy (see: drs), getting alongside someone should be. Side by side is exciting. People aren't smart enough to understand that nuanced difference. Like let's not kid ourselves here, the lowest any of the drivers for the top three teams finished when they had to start from the back last year was like 6 or 7th, it is not difficult to pass in this sport.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:59
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Feels Villeneuve posted:They added a shitload of downforce last year because everyone kept moaning that the cars looked slow, and shockingly this decreased overtaking, so now everyone is moaning that they need to go back to the 2016 cars. F1 fans are idiots. 1500quidporsche posted:It is 100% this. Melbourne is just poo poo.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:04
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Khablam posted:We had this literal argument last year after no-one overtook in Melbourne and then OH LOW it wasn't an issue for the rest of the season save from Monaco. They recorded about 60% as many on-track overtakes in 2017 as they did in 2016. I'm not saying they made the sport worse or unwatchable but they legitimately did make overtaking harder.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:05
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The race we had in Melbourne was much more entertaining than if Hamilton/Ricciardo/Verstappen could've just waltzed past Vettel/Raikkonen/Alonso.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:06
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Bottas did a lot of overtaking, so did Ricciardo. There was plenty. It wasn't at the part of the pack that counted but it was still there. Verstappen probably could have if he wasn't such an impatient bitch.
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1500quidporsche posted:People aren't smart enough to understand that nuanced difference. Like let's not kid ourselves here, the lowest any of the drivers for the top three teams finished when they had to start from the back last year was like 6 or 7th, it is not difficult to pass in this sport. This is a good take. It really all stems from a sport that allows for tremendous imbalances in resources and the monstrous cost to really fix something from the ground-up if you aren't competitive on your first try. NASCAR standardizes drat near everything, including engine specs, the only major differences come from the build quality.
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Gigi Galli posted:Bottas did a lot of overtaking, so did Ricciardo. There was plenty. It wasn't at the part of the pack that counted but it was still there. Verstappen probably could have if he wasn't such an impatient bitch. Bottas had overtaken 2 cars by lap 21. The rest of his position gains were from pits. Dan overtook a guy who made a mistake. What race where you watching.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:09
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When Scuderia Ferrari wins Formula One is a great and epic sport. When cheating teams like Mercedes and RBR win the sport turns into a disgrace.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:09
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Verstappen was extremely bad
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Gigi Galli posted:Bottas did a lot of overtaking, so did Ricciardo. There was plenty. It wasn't at the part of the pack that counted but it was still there. Verstappen probably could have if he wasn't such an impatient bitch. That was my main takeaway from the race.
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1500quidporsche posted:People aren't smart enough to understand that nuanced difference. Like let's not kid ourselves here, the lowest any of the drivers for the top three teams finished when they had to start from the back last year was like 6 or 7th, it is not difficult to pass in this sport. I like the comment about jamming your nose to their tail. If they could do that, rattle the guy ahead, poke down the inside and force an error, just get in their business it would be way more interesting.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:12
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 So they introduced updates to help with tyre deg and fuel consumption?
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The race has some intresting battles, but none of them were for podium spots... That's my hot take.
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Sneaky Wombat posted:The race has some intresting battles, but none of them were for podium spots... That's my hot take. drat has this ever happened before in the history of F1
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Mar 26, 2018 15:18
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Gigi Galli posted:Bottas did a lot of overtaking, so did Ricciardo. There was plenty. It wasn't at the part of the pack that counted but it was still there. Verstappen probably could have if he wasn't such an impatient bitch. https://giant.gfycat.com/NippyPerfumedAndeancat.webm
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Sneaky Wombat posted:The race has some intresting battles, but none of them were for podium spots... That's my hot take. My hot take is that there was like a 30 lap battle for the lead.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:20
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iospace posted:F1 at Road America when? Tracks like Watkins Glen or Laguna Seca or Road Atlanta are far too small and would require far too much work to get FIA certified but I think RA would work wouldnt it? (I realize you say not gonna happen because lol F1 in Wisconsin)
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iospace posted:F1 at Road America when? You mean Road Atlanta surely
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