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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, Ford has been sleep walking through his performances since...I’m gonna say Hollywood Homicide. But this was the first time I’ve seen him try in decades. I think he was happy to finally be able to kill Han Solo. He tried in Blade Runner 2049. He was comatose in TFA and who could blame him? I bet any actor would be asleep at the wheel if they were asked to remake one of their break out roles in between on set injuries.
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Mar 25, 2018 11:50
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PriorMarcus posted:He tried in Blade Runner 2049. He was comatose in TFA and who could blame him? what? he was great in TFA. When he confronts Kylo on the bridge is A++
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Mar 25, 2018 22:30
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Jerkface posted:what? he was great in TFA. When he confronts Kylo on the bridge is A++ Yea I think a lot of folks itt are on loving acid or something. I mean he sold that whole goddamn scene by himself, but then Adam Driver nailed it out the park too. When Han does a double-take and starts stepping out from the shadows I was literally on the edge of my seat thinking "oh god no don't do it goddamnit." I was literally hoping he'd revert to the scoundrel he'd always been and flee. euphronius posted:He was real good in bladerunner but that wasn’t a blockbuster. Hah. He was great in it, but all he had to do was play a washed up drunk and a captive with no dialogue. The scene where he was brought to Wallace was definitely his A-game though. But hey folks, if you want some more evidence of how important editing can be, look no further than deleted scenes from ROTJ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wPjTrgvGG0 someone spliced in scenes from ANH, but loooool at those gunners
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Mar 25, 2018 22:37
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Yeah his face acting at Wallace hq was top tier.
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Mar 25, 2018 22:46
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You knew Harrison Ford was into TFA by the way he yelled "CHEWIE!", it was his top tier chewie yell.
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Mar 25, 2018 23:34
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Jerkface posted:You knew Harrison Ford was into TFA by the way he yelled "CHEWIE!", it was his top tier chewie yell. this but 100% unironically Dude was just glad to be there. Was having fun out there. How much y'all wanna bet that Hux gets executed 5 minutes into Episode IX? If Kylo's the new Supreme Leader he's going to be executing people he deems a threat to his authority just like KJU did with his uncle.
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Mar 26, 2018 04:17
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BarronsArtGallery posted:How much y'all wanna bet that Hux gets executed 5 minutes into Episode IX? If Kylo's the new Supreme Leader he's going to be executing people he deems a threat to his authority just like KJU did with his uncle. They explicitly make Hux a cowardly joke so that he's easily cowed by Kylo's 'Nazi Slapstick' leadership style. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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Mar 26, 2018 04:25
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Nah, I figure he'll weasel his way out of death right up until the end where he's unceremoniously met with a spaceship in the face or something.
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Mar 26, 2018 04:28
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:They explicitly make Hux a cowardly joke so that he's easily cowed by Kylo's 'Nazi Slapstick' leadership style. I loved everything about it though. Especially when he reaches for his pistol when Kylo is barely regaining consciousness lmfao
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Mar 26, 2018 04:31
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time someone considered doing that.
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Mar 26, 2018 04:34
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The First Order is unsatisfying because they are a cypher, and they don't actually *do* anything except villainous plots. Their name is meaningless. They don't seem to occupy territory or control anything. They are basically COBRA. The Galactic Empire you see occupying Tatooine, you hear about how they're dissolving the last remnant of the rule of law; given the context, it's rather apparent that the Emperor is Space Hitler. Snoke is not. Snoke doesn't have a context. He's just a villain who hates things, doesn't build anything, and gets huge amounts of stuff by fiat to make sure the plucky rebels are outnumbered. His villainous superpowers are money and child abuse. The Resistance isn't fighting for anything, either; they just hate Snoke, apparently. Well, wait. I guess they are fighting for the things they love? I like the Last Order idea. That would have been an easy concept to namedrop in TFA.
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Mar 26, 2018 04:35
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The First Order is unsatisfying because they are a cypher, and they don't actually *do* anything except villainous plots. Their name is meaningless. They don't seem to occupy territory or control anything. They are basically COBRA. It's a different scenario. In ANH the Empire had been in existence for decades basically. In TFA poo poo just hit the fan all at once. The powder keg had been loaded for years and that's why we're introduced to Poe on a desert planet searching for the map to Luke Skywalker. Everybody in the Resistance knows things are about to go south and that's literally why they're sending this dude to the middle of nowhere on a vital mission. "The Resistance isn't fighting for anything either." Yea ok, man. Neither were Washington, Adams, et al.
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Mar 26, 2018 05:45
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BarronsArtGallery posted:
That was the OT. The resistance is fighting to restore [??] the New Republic[??] which isn't really shown or discussed except as a punching bag for the new bad guys It's all extremely dull and borderline amateurish
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Mar 26, 2018 06:25
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Kylo and Rey are basically the leaders of their respective factions now. That's an interesting place to start things off, at least.
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Mar 26, 2018 06:36
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Hodgepodge posted:Kylo and Rey are basically the leaders of their respective factions now. That's an interesting place to start things off, at least. Cool. Rey has spoken to and interacted with the resistance, and been involved in combat operations with them, for a grand total of 37 minutes.
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Mar 26, 2018 06:54
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Cool. Rey has spoken to and interacted with the resistance, and been involved in combat operations with them, for a grand total of 37 minutes. I wouldn't call Ren qualified for running the FO, in the traditional sense. I mean, I would make trying to lead the Resistance a mistake for Rey. That would be to make the entire storyline a huge dig at the Hillary campaign though.
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Mar 26, 2018 07:19
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Hodgepodge posted:I wouldn't call Ren qualified for running the FO, in the traditional sense. It seems a little late to be introducing a plotline like that in the third movie of a trilogy though. In fact we're two movies in and we have no overarching plot while two members of the main trio have only just met in the last scene of the second movie. ESB and RotJ were tied together at the hip and even ANH introduced a grander overall narrative of the Rebellion and the Jedi legacy that ESB immediately followed up on.
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Mar 26, 2018 07:48
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TLJ wrapped up the overarching plot: kill Luke Skywalker Third movie serves no purpose.
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Mar 26, 2018 08:03
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galagazombie posted:It seems a little late to be introducing a plotline like that in the third movie of a trilogy though. In fact we're two movies in and we have no overarching plot while two members of the main trio have only just met in the last scene of the second movie. ESB and RotJ were tied together at the hip and even ANH introduced a grander overall narrative of the Rebellion and the Jedi legacy that ESB immediately followed up on. It might work as a follow-up on Holdo, with everyone trying to force Rey into Leia's role and unable to accept someone else as the natural leader of the Resistence. I'd go with Finn, who also looks to Rey as a leader but plot happens and they realize Rey must go do plot, etc.
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Mar 26, 2018 08:07
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Hodgepodge posted:I mean, I would make trying to lead the Resistance a mistake for Rey. That would be to make the entire storyline a huge dig at the Hillary campaign though. that's kinda already what's happened though; the ostensible good guys defeated by a bunch of evil buffoons in part because they didn't get the groundswell of support they assumed they still had of course the first order doesn't even have the coherent policy goals of trump-era republicans, much less something actually written decently
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Mar 26, 2018 08:39
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SNOKE: "Execute order... 7 - 7 - 7." HERMAN CAIN: "Immediately, Supreme Leader!"
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Mar 26, 2018 08:49
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Brother Entropy posted:that's kinda already what's happened though; the ostensible good guys defeated by a bunch of evil buffoons in part because they didn't get the groundswell of support they assumed they still had I think it's just that their goals were 1) wipe out Republic, 2) crush resistance. Which leaves both sides sort of fighting each other because they believe that by definition they are enemies. I mean, I would hope this would play into the resolution. The First Order sort of won in the first film; the Republic is, at best, crippled.
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Mar 26, 2018 08:51
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:SNOKE: "Execute order... 7 - 7 - 7." 9-9-9. Come on dude.
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Mar 26, 2018 09:14
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Ammanas posted:That was the OT. The resistance is fighting to restore [??] the New Republic[??] which isn't really shown or discussed except as a punching bag for the new bad guys So it's the War of 1812. Get over it.
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Mar 26, 2018 10:42
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Rey leads the millennium falcon faction.
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Mar 26, 2018 12:08
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Gnome de plume posted:Nah, I figure he'll weasel his way out of death right up until the end where he's unceremoniously met with a spaceship in the face or something. He does look a little weasley.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:50
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euphronius posted:Rey leads the millennium falcon faction. a couple of guys in a dump truck vs an empire
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Mar 26, 2018 22:07
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The Falcon's gotten poo poo done, it has one kill and one assist on giant planet killing space stations.
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Mar 27, 2018 00:45
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It delivered explosives to help bring down a third.
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Mar 27, 2018 03:56
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the best part of the prequels was no falcon
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Mar 27, 2018 06:53
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BarronsArtGallery posted:"The Resistance isn't fighting for anything either." Yea ok, man. Neither were Washington, Adams, et al. excellent job comparing the resistance to a bunch of slave-raping aristocrats who fought a revolution to exploit people more efficiently
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Mar 27, 2018 09:06
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John Adams, known slave rapist
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It gets tiresome hearing the same old "slave-owning aristocrats" line with the founding fathers. Many were, many were also neither or outright abolitionists in their leanings. You even get weird cases like a slave-owner making it his mission (and succeeding) of getting slavery outlawed in New Jersey. Many of them were also not "Aristocrats", being various successful self made men or urban professionals. In addition, policies like the Stamp Act, the "Intolerable Acts" and prohibiting westward expansion were all most harmful to the American lower classes. The American Revolution was very cross-class, which is one of the reasons why it is one of the rare revolutions in history that did not immediately fall to purges and civil wars.
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Mar 28, 2018 23:38
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no no man these were all bourgeoisie oppressors now let me point you to an untarnished man of virtue che guevara, if you'll just look at my redbull-stained tshirt...
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galagazombie posted:It gets tiresome hearing the same old "slave-owning aristocrats" line with the founding fathers. Many were, many were also neither or outright abolitionists in their leanings. You even get weird cases like a slave-owner making it his mission (and succeeding) of getting slavery outlawed in New Jersey. Many of them were also not "Aristocrats", being various successful self made men or urban professionals. In addition, policies like the Stamp Act, the "Intolerable Acts" and prohibiting westward expansion were all most harmful to the American lower classes. The American Revolution was very cross-class, which is one of the reasons why it is one of the rare revolutions in history that did not immediately fall to purges and civil wars. yes the revolution which guaranteed the vote to landowners only was truly cross-class and pushing the self-made man narrative, too! are you ron chernow? the presence of a few exceptions doesn't invalidate the rule. valorizing the founders in any way is ridiculous
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Mar 29, 2018 03:30
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galagazombie posted:...prohibiting westward expansion were all most harmful to the American lower classes. Fortunately, permitting westward expansion caused no harm to anyone!
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Angry Salami posted:Fortunately, permitting westward expansion caused no harm to anyone!
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Angry Salami posted:Fortunately, permitting westward expansion caused no harm to anyone! No question it was terrible for the Native Americans, but we weren't talking about how the Revolution affected them. (badly, and ironically, across all social classes.) R. Guyovich posted:yes the revolution which guaranteed the vote to landowners only was truly cross-class Once again, depends on the where, when and who. But there was a flurry of voting rights expansion after the Revolution. Vermont never had such restrictions in the first place, the Northern and Western states mostly got rid of theirs in about a decade. And even then, voting wasn't the only thing the Revolution was about. You've yet to explain how say, the Stamp Act, wasn't a crap deal for the poor who had to pay its brunt.
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galagazombie posted:It gets tiresome hearing the same old "slave-owning aristocrats" line with the founding fathers. Many were, many were also neither or outright abolitionists in their leanings. You even get weird cases like a slave-owner making it his mission (and succeeding) of getting slavery outlawed in New Jersey. Many of them were also not "Aristocrats", being various successful self made men or urban professionals. In addition, policies like the Stamp Act, the "Intolerable Acts" and prohibiting westward expansion were all most harmful to the American lower classes. The American Revolution was very cross-class, which is one of the reasons why it is one of the rare revolutions in history that did not immediately fall to purges and civil wars. Got some sort of citation on this? Because the current scholarship on the American Revolution would, uhh, not agree.
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