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This is so bad because it's contrived, and the placement isn't helping the disjointed pacing. And from how everyone else is talking, I feel like it's going to get worse before it gets better. I don't have a great feeling about whoever it looks like is running around with Morgana now, because if he found a friend? Great: now he has an audience to save face for, if they don't outright encourage his shittery. Five bucks says he just peeled off our next party member.Night10194 posted:I would forgive everything if he'd gotten into a fistfight with the cat first. ApplesandOranges posted:Let's give credit to Yusuke and Ann for being reasonable human beings worried about the sudden surge of popularity the group gets. Closed-Down Pizza Parlor posted:as lovely as this sequence is, it doesn't drop morgana anywhere near to teddie levels Hell, Teddie got this poo poo over with in one boss fight. How much of our time is Morgana going to waste being a prick with this tantrum? Arist posted:Part 103: 9/15-9/16: When The Cat’s Away  Haru seems pretty cool, though. I like her Metaverse design. Hope her persona is rad.Oh, hey, Akechi. So: did he witness us vanish into air, or does he already know about the metaverse? I kind of feel like we already did this with Naoto. Malah fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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Haru have you perhaps considered that the horribly narcissistic cat is probably not telling anything near the whole story. I wonder what he told her about the rest.
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Mar 24, 2018 04:53
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going through this, I keep thinking of half a dozen ways to make it better, and Akechi seems to have been forgotten so far?
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resurgam40 posted:In all 3 (main) games. I just want to point out there are six main games in the series. that is al, really.
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I hate Morgana and I wish I could have ditched him. I don't care, I'll just force feed everyone Takemedics or learn Diarahan myself if I need to, christ. Also about Makoto saying something about the Phantom Thieves not being bad to Sae: akechi DID just say that on TV, so it's not like it's THAT suspicious. Unrelated: I like the music in their apartment. It's kinda too bad the original idea of them being your neighbours didn't pan out because it means the music and set pieces for the apartment are rarely used.  cdyoung posted:I just want to point out there are six main games in the series. that is al, really. 7 if you count SMT IF. ote="resurgam40" post="482402573"] The biggest problem I have with the Persona series is not really the plotlines or the characters, but the interaction between these characters, or more appropriately the lack thereof. In all 3 (main) games, you have disparate individuals who are drawn together by the weird poo poo going on and become fast friends by the end of the game, but it seems I'm left with a question every time: when did that happen, exactly? The [/quote] Have you ever played Persona 3? The game has scenes of party members hanging out without the MC, and for the majority of the game they're quite clearly more on the basis of co-workers than actual friends with everyone except the MC. Yukari doesn't trust Mitsuru, Junpei resents Akihiko and to a lesser degree the main character, and Shijiro doesn't like anyone. The big reason P3 is is my favorite game in the series is because it doesn't take the fact that everyone in the party will be friends as a given. The party members need to actually grow a little to become a real team. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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Mar 24, 2018 08:21
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How many more updates until you kill the cat
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I don't see why you're so sarcastic about Makoto not recognizing Haru. She clearly doesn't know her very well and everyone else has seen her maybe twice with no particular reason to remember her.Black Balloon posted:How many more updates until you kill the cat Too many. Lord_Magmar posted:Like, I fully think that Persona 5 actually has the party that is the most actually friendly to one another. From the way that the Hawaii trip goes to just a lot of little things, at no moment do I question that these people are friends, personally speaking, maybe not close friends but like, compared to Chie and Yosuke; Ryuji and Ann actually get along and I could see hanging out outside of the main character, as just an example. Except for Morgana and Ryuji, in this current narrative sequence, which is the point. I think one of the big things P5 needed was longer Mementos conversations and/or more events where Confidants hung out with each other or at least ran into each other. About P4, though, it baffled me Chie and Yosuke were supposed to be friends. Chie flipped out constantly at Yosuke and was hilariously abusive to him over a DVD he promised he'd pay her back for and Yosuke insanely condescending to Chie in return. Ryuji and Ann come off so much better with little things like Ryuji stepping between Ann and Yusuke when they're not sure if Yusuke is a stalker or something. I'm really critical of things I enjoy and I still don't see why so many people in this thread seem to think this game is video game hitler. That's P2!
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Mar 24, 2018 08:27
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this game is good i think it's the best persona game to date
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You dont even need Morgana at this point Makoto is a way better healer than him
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Cuntellectual posted:Have you ever played Persona 3? The game has scenes of party members hanging out without the MC, and for the majority of the game they're quite clearly more on the basis of co-workers than actual friends with everyone except the MC. Yukari doesn't trust Mitsuru, Junpei resents Akihiko and to a lesser degree the main character, and Shijiro doesn't like anyone. That's a bit of an exaggeration. I don't really think Junpei resents Akihiko; he's amazed that Akihiko has a swarm of fangirls without even trying, but otherwise they get along fine - otherwise Junpei wouldn't have roped him into the silly stuff like Operation Babe Hunt. It's not even that Shinjiro doesn't like anyone, he's just very aware that he has a limited time left and thinks that people are better off not getting too close to someone like that (and y'know, the whole murdering thing). He's more of a mother hen considering how much he looks out for Koromaru and FeMC (if you go that route).
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People are critical about the game, but I don't think it's on the level of like, Hatred/ Order 1886/ DNF/ Aliens: Colonial Marines/ EVOLVE or Borderlands tho. People just have strong opinions on the series. In my limited experience with JRPGs, I think Tales is doing the best on character dynamics. Maybe not on gameplay, but they're certainly doing a lot better than FF15 did.
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Malah posted:I dunno, I cut Teddie a bit of slack for being a naive kid who learns a bit too much about intro human culture from two teenage boys. Morgana actually makes me view Teddie more favorably in retrospect, because at least he was never as much of a dick to his team as Morgana has been. Same. Before I really disliked Teddie, but now that this arc has come along and everything, Morgana has taken his place. I don't mind the whole plot itself, but the way it's set up and how Morgana's kind of always been a insufferable douchecat doesn't lend me much sympathy to him. It does introduce Haru though, who I really like and has my favorite Phantom Thief outfit. I do like how for the most part, none of the P5 cast are as obnoxious towards each other as the P4 cast. Seeing Ryuji's and Ann's friendship was a breathe of fresh air. fivepapers fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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DeafNote posted:You dont even need Morgana at this point At this point I was running MC/Makoto/Ryuji/Yusuke as my main team even though Ryuji and Yusuke both fill the same physically oriented slot(in slightly different ways, but still doing the same basic thing). I don't think I had Morgana on my team at all outside of Mementos(for variation's sake) once I had someone to replace him. He's too damned fragile for my liking.
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Morgana's actual utility is using Miracle Punch to set up All Out Attacks.
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I like this game, but I find that I'm more confident in putting out updates when I poke a lot of fun at it, and this part of the game has loads to make fun of.
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Arist posted:I like this game, but I find that I'm more confident in putting out updates when I poke a lot of fun at it, and this part of the game has loads to make fun of. Understandable, and this part does have a lot to make fun of yes. I'm not saying this part is good, I'm saying I can see why it is and how it could have been good. Which matters to me more than the actual goodness, in some ways.
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ApplesandOranges posted:That's a bit of an exaggeration. I don't really think Junpei resents Akihiko; he's amazed that Akihiko has a swarm of fangirls without even trying, but otherwise they get along fine - otherwise Junpei wouldn't have roped him into the silly stuff like Operation Babe Hunt. Operation Babe Hunt comes after Junpei gets over himself, though. Funky Valentine posted:Morgana's actual utility is using Miracle Punch to set up All Out Attacks. I never even had that crit to the point I dropped it because I had better luck using Rebellion on Yusuke then hitting tempest slash. Haifisch posted:You can get away with a team composition of 'whoever you feel like using', honestly. I used Morgana more or less exclusively as a heal bot and just put Garu on a persona Joker could use. Physical attack oriented persona tend to be a lot better than magic ones in p5. On the topic of Makoto, the fact she gets two basically identical physical attack abilities right beside each other than then none, ever again, is sort of bizarre. Especially since her strength outgrows her magic for a little while and never is that far behind even when magic pulls ahead.
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fivepapers posted:I do like how for the most part, none of the P5 cast are as obnoxious towards each other as the P4 cast. Seeing Ryuji's and Ann's friendship was a breathe of fresh air. Really? With a few exceptions (god damnit Yosuke) P4's cast always came off as people giving each other poo poo because they're friends. While P5's cast, and P3's to a much greater extent, always felt more like coworkers that occasionally socialize after work.
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Yeah, the daughter thing was pretty obvious when Haru made it through the DNA scan door. That being said, these are teenagers who usually aren't known for their cognitive skills.
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Stroth posted:Really? With a few exceptions (god damnit Yosuke) P4's cast always came off as people giving each other poo poo because they're friends. While P5's cast, and P3's to a much greater extent, always felt more like coworkers that occasionally socialize after work. I can't speak about 3 but P4 cast is really tightly knit, with some exceptions*. I think that's because we get to see their shadows at their worst, so they get a lot of characterization time that normally would be spent on the villains. Even more pointedly, the characters see each other at their worst; when you know your friends saw the part of you that you hate the most and didn't really care** you are going to fear rejection far less. *goddammit Yosuke **GOD drat IT Yosuke As for the current plot beat, I dislike it but Haru managed to salvage some moments of it. Her introduction is some decent comedy at least for how obviously over her head she is. She's a decent character, pity she comes in way too late. Naoto was part of the plot since at least Rise (if not Kanji) IIRC.
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Omobono posted:She's a decent character, pity she comes in way too late. Naoto was part of the plot since at least Rise (if not Kanji) IIRC. You know, it might have been interesting if she were a Confidant before this plot happened. We could have gotten hints about her dad, maybe she put up the request for her father on the Phan-site and grew frustrated waiting for the Phantom Thieves to get around to it, and when she got the opportunity with Morgana to do it herself, she took it. Mraagvpeine fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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he's a mother hen in general. He's the team's best cook and tried his damnist to keep everyone away from Fuuka's... "food."
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Mechanically, Morgana gets a lot of mileage out of those +HP accessories you get from the big bang burger challenges, probably the only character that does. His armor options are all high evade, low defense, and his HP is low, but those accessories means he can usually take the hits that get through his evade without getting one-shotted on hard difficulty. On Arist criticizing the game I like it a lot, he makes a lot of points on things I often hadn't even thought about. I don't agree with everything obviously but I enjoy the commentary. Rawkking fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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cdyoung posted:he's a mother hen in general. He's the team's best cook and tried his damnist to keep everyone away from Fuuka's... "food." Shinjiro is my perfect husband and I would go straight for him.  Omobono posted:I can't speak about 3 but P4 cast is really tightly knit, with some exceptions*. Maybe part of it is just people assuming everyone hates Teddie in-game as much as we do out of it. Rawkking posted:without getting one-shotted on hard difficulty. That reminds me, I'm so glad p4/p5 changed the way difficulties worked from P3. Enemies being able to one-shot you at level without crits and causing you to lose an hour of progress... 
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I honestly kinda like how lame the term "Beauty Thief" is since it really helps make the joke of how lame Morgana's attempt to replace the party is.
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What gets me is that she was authorized to open the door but not stand down any of the security. ...I mean, that pretty much does bear out in that shot of her home life.
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One would hope she is allowed to be in her own room, I assume security is under standing orders to escort her there no matter her objections and escort her out at school time. So, yeah, Palace matches reality decently.
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AccidentalHipster posted:I honestly kinda like how lame the term "Beauty Thief" is since it really helps make the joke of how lame Morgana's attempt to replace the party is.
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Worth noting that Haru is considered a threat in her father's Palace even before the vandalism story breaks, lol.
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Omobono posted:One would hope she is allowed to be in her own room, I assume security is under standing orders to escort her there no matter her objections and escort her out at school time. The Palace is Okumura Foods' corporate HQ, not her house, so she'd likely be allowed to come and go to see her dad or whatever, but not into any of the actual business areas and such.
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Ryuji slamming into the locked force-field protected door and then proceeding to kick it just tells me that he's the kind of person who would try to shoot Superman until he ran out of bullets and then throw the gun at him.
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ddegenha posted:Ryuji slamming into the locked force-field protected door and then proceeding to kick it just tells me that he's the kind of person who would try to shoot Superman until he ran out of bullets and then throw the gun at him. Hey, he tried it against a shadow in the beginning of the game and it worked. Who knows, maybe the palace only gives the illusion of security and the wall just falls over.
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Complete shot in the dark guess about what's going on in Mementos, but going to put it under spoilers just in case: The person completing requests in Mementos is Akechi. He managed to wind up there after we accidentally teleported him into the metaverse and he's been killing time (literally and figuratively) while he tries to figure his way out.
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One little thing I liked about the scene with Haru and Morgana in the palace is every time Haru repeats 'We will take the treasure' she gives it a different line read, like if she says it the right way it's somehow going to resolve this ridiculous situation.
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Arist posted:Worth noting that Haru is considered a threat in her father's Palace even before the vandalism story breaks, lol. That's simultaneously the saddest and funniest thing so far in the story
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Kith posted:Complete shot in the dark guess about what's going on in Mementos, but going to put it under spoilers just in case: I thought Morgana was taking Haru with him in Mementos to help powerlevel her for the current dungeon, but that'd be an interesting direction too. Though wouldn't Akechi be fine? If he did get pulled in, won't he have the Metaverse app now to help lead him out to safety? Arist posted:
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Shotgunned this thread in a couple days, that was fun. Haru is so endearing but it sucks that Morgan's hissy fit cheated us out of an awakening scene for her.
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