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What's all this about there being a scale change? I mean, I'm starting with the Japanese Secessionist Army, so I guess it doesn't really effect me, but I thought Infinity was in 28mm?
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Yvonmukluk posted:What's all this about there being a scale change? I mean, I'm starting with the Japanese Secessionist Army, so I guess it doesn't really effect me, but I thought Infinity was in 28mm? It's a product of them slowly releasing new sculpts for miniatures. The previous edition had some really awful and puny looking miniatures and so far they've been firing on all cylinders for model releases this edition. The minis might be getting bigger but Infinity is still 28mm. Just dumping the old sculpts.
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Mar 26, 2018 21:50
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Yvonmukluk posted:What's all this about there being a scale change? I mean, I'm starting with the Japanese Secessionist Army, so I guess it doesn't really effect me, but I thought Infinity was in 28mm? Some examples from my collection, sorry for crap photos Here are two generations of Kuang Shi next to each other  Here is old Kuang Shi next to Zhanshi, basic infantry of Yu Jing - even with women in Infinity being noticably smaller than men of the same class, she towers over the scrawny prisoner  The change is even more drastic with heavy infantry, which got bulkier in general - here is oldschool Daofei, the same profile in current version from 2017 and current Hac Tao, the unit of the same weight class:  here is how Kriza Borac got first teased many years ago  and here is a roided monster of today 
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Mar 26, 2018 22:02
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Yeah, a lot of the old models are kinda fucky. This image is a little old, but you can see the difference going from hand-sculpting to their new CG process makes.  Everything is 28mm, and if there's any dispute, like if somebody's using the older Keisotsu that are incredibly tiny, you can check them against their silhouette markers, which are the absolute authority on LoS, regardless of what the model looks like.
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Mar 26, 2018 22:06
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In all fairness, the ORC boarding shotgun has been known as the Tallest Woman in the Sphere for quite a while.
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Mar 26, 2018 22:13
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True, but now they pack her in with the HMG ORC, who's shorter than your typical Fusilier these days.
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Mar 26, 2018 22:32
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Cat Face Joe posted:In all fairness, the ORC boarding shotgun has been known as the Tallest Woman in the Sphere for quite a while.
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Mar 26, 2018 22:40
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the guija needs something  i have no idea what but it's a pretty dull unit right now probably going to keep using it because its really pretty tho
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Mar 27, 2018 00:15
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Clawtopsy posted:the guija needs something I want some medium weight and heavy weight TAGs for IA so bad
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Mar 27, 2018 00:42
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Yan Huoooooooooooooo! Saw this floating about;    Not sure what exactly the data is from, assuming tournament submissions, though I guess CB can see all the ITS lists so kinda irrelevant. Look out Sun Tze 2.0 your days are numbered.
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Mar 27, 2018 01:39
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Removing Sun Tze 2.0 would be the most merciful way to kick us in the dick for b4ckd00r  e: how are people so bad that they can't see the value in the karakuri HS Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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Mar 27, 2018 02:01
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Genghis Cohen posted:Good write up mate, very interesting games. I realise this might just be a typo, but Moran Masai are AVA2 in Corregidor as well as vanilla Nomads - did your oppo actually use 3? The only way to get more than 4 Crazy Koalas in your army is to take Lunokhod Sputniks as well, which have some serious drawbacks. It must have been two Morans and another unit, then. There were 4 Koalas on the table. Match 3 - Seize the Antennas versus Ariadna Loss 0-7 against an experienced player Opponent was an excellent teacher and I learned a lot. I took the Kanren Sophotect list, and deployed the Kanren midfield. I had very little idea of the capabilities of Ariadna. I won the leadership roll and chose to go second in order to get last turn. He ended up deploying only camo markers, including next to my Kanren and behind his back. This was rather scary. His list turned out to be 2 Chasseurs, 2 Foxtrots, Spetsnaz,, SAS and maybe something else. In the first order he revealed a Chasseur and shot at my Kanren. That forced a dodge which removed the Holoechoes - I had no idea that's how it worked. Next I got hosed up. He came in off the table edge with a Spetsnaz and walked to a perfect position. I forgot my Warcor had ARO on him, which might have changed something. Next order he fired a Boarding Shotgun at one of my Yudbots, and the template hit 5 of my models including just clipping my loving Rui Shi. Celestial Guard made a save, but two Kuang Shi, something I forgot and Rui Shi all failed. With his last orders he set up 3 overlapping AROs at every exit from my deployment zone. This caused much consternation. Eventually I suicided my Kanren and managed to take out the Spetsnaz. Still stuck in base, I tried to get my Sophotect next to the Rui Shi for repairs. This was a colossal waste of orders through semi panicked flailing. CG Kaung Shi controller tried to use the smoke launcher on one gap in cover and failed the roll. Then I used another order to launch smoke at another gap in cover, before realising I now had so few orders that at best the Sophotect could fix the Rui Shi with the last order. I decided to try removing his AROs, but everyone missed each other. Next turn he walked up his SAS, dodging everything and taking out one of my units - I forgot which. Then the infuriatingly placed Chasseur shot at my Celestial and missed. I hit back but he passed armor and guts. The rest of the orders he used on revealing two Foxtrots and activating his and the middle antenna. My ARO at the midfield Foxtrot missed. My second turn I was still locked down in my deployment zone and short on orders. I managed to take out the midfield Foxtrot. Next I tried shooting at the Chasseur with a 3 man coordinated order in the hopes of getting an unopposed roll to hit. I peeked my prone unit deployed on a building from out of cover, but it turned out there was no LOS, and I could have just stood up and still had cover. Oops. His ARO took out my Sophotect (I had so few shooty pieces that I felt I had to risk it) and my CG took out the Chasseur. Attempts to shoot his SAS resulted in him just dodging forward into an even better position. His turn he was quite low on orders as well. I forgot most of what he did, except for getting his SAS near my HVT. I took out another Chasseur I think, but ran out of orders and couldn't secure my Antenna. 59 points of his survived against 50 of mine. Opponent ended up placing 2nd overall. Major mistakes: I had no idea how to properly play against camo and did not think about the possibility of him infiltrating next to me. I tried to deploy in cover and did not leave out any ARO pieces except the Warcor who I kept forgetting to use. I don't think I could have done much to prevent him blasting a bunch of my models including the Rui Shi with how the table was set up, except maybe deploying with some AROs and having the Kanren in a different location. I continuously kept forgetting to use idle as a first short skill and wait in AROs - I don't think I remembered to once during this match. Risked my Sophotect when I shouldn't have and then was not able to secure a single antenna. I feel that if my Rui Shi had survived I would have had a legitimate chance at victory. There was nothing in his list that could have properly threatened it except the Boarding Shotgun and maybe the SAS, and MSV would have been a godsend. Overall I'm very happy with my results, especially considering that these were my first ever games that had 3 turns. Previously I only played very slowly against an even slower beginner and only managed to do 1 turn each. I placed first among beginners, won a
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Mar 27, 2018 02:52
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How did they shoot your kanren if they had echos left?
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Mar 27, 2018 03:26
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That tournament sounds suspiciously familiar. Are you Polish by any chance?
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Mar 27, 2018 03:44
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Yep. The tournament in Legionowo.
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Mar 27, 2018 06:20
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Cassa posted:Saw this floating about; I know Lunah is expensive for her category and MLX is bad, but used less than Sun Tze is 
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Mar 27, 2018 08:24
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I believe the context of that chart, too, is ITS Official tournaments that used the list reporting mechanisms. I'd also argue Shinobu and Oniwaben should have a more 'shared' statistic, as they fill the same (now empty) role in a list.
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Mar 27, 2018 10:30
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I wonder what the Bakunin and MO unit usage in vanilla is like: only Zeroes, Moderators and Morlocks? Nothing for MO except Father Knight because of Icestorm?
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Mar 27, 2018 10:54
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Flipswitch posted:tfw no giantess orc gf broke up with orc giantess now twitchy dame magister is my waifu
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Mar 27, 2018 12:30
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fatherboxx posted:I know Lunah is expensive for her category and MLX is bad, but used less than Sun Tze is Krakots being that low is lol but a surprising amount of players are "purists" and refuse to use mercs. Seriously gently caress the Raiden use Lunah.
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Mar 27, 2018 12:40
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Flipswitch posted:Krakots being that low is lol but a surprising amount of players are "purists" and refuse to use mercs. I see what you mean, but I probably fall into that category myself. I can see the benefit of a Krakot, or for that matter a Warcor, but haven't ever played them. I just prefer to have models that fit thematically with my bunch of cool nomad dudes. I think it's a pretty common impulse. As has been pointed out before, lists absolutely do matter in infinity and there are some models which have a consensus among tournament players of 'very good' to 'sub-par' but there are always multiple ways to skin a cat, plenty of models which are usually overlooked can shine under the right circumstances. Ditto, just because one unit is excellent doesn't mean there aren't some other scary things you could spend your points on just as well.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:45
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As a PanO player, the idea of not using a 14 point dual chain rifle warband is insane to me.
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Mar 27, 2018 16:39
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Clawtopsy posted:I believe the context of that chart, too, is ITS Official tournaments that used the list reporting mechanisms. The images are from the seminar. Bostria said that the data is pulled from all lists that are saved in Infinity Army. Probably a whole lotta scrubs not knowing how to build a list.
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Mar 27, 2018 17:24
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:The images are from the seminar. Bostria said that the data is pulled from all lists that are saved in Infinity Army. Probably a whole lotta scrubs not knowing how to build a list.
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Mar 27, 2018 18:08
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Yeah, I know I've been playing this game for years and only saved a list maybe twice.
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Mar 27, 2018 19:34
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If you take advantage of the ability to upload saved lists from Army directly into your event (saving your TO time and headache), then you end up saving lists quite frequently. I saved a bunch of them during our Escalation League.
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Mar 27, 2018 19:53
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Ilor posted:If you take advantage of the ability to upload saved lists from Army directly into your event (saving your TO time and headache), then you end up saving lists quite frequently. I saved a bunch of them during our Escalation League.  (and if the TO requires OTM, just dump the work on him, serves him right)
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Mar 27, 2018 20:07
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Just seems like there would be a lot of noise. I have never saved a list to Army Builder, ever. I've also done quite well at the tournaments I have participated in, with lists containing haramaki, aragato and Yuriko.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:49
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Yeah, I mean I'm all for decent measurements but this seems a bit questionable. Presumably it's just ITS, as lists are only saved off-device for those tourneys. Which means social games are completely ignored, yet I wonder if there's much correction for that? Also people tend to be much more conservative in ITS, so it presents a possible positive feedback loop where they can convince themselves that variety isn't what people are after.
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Mar 28, 2018 03:37
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just lol if you dont throw out your carefully tested ITS list the night before the tournament and take a mix of poo poo you havent tried
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Mar 28, 2018 03:48
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Clawtopsy posted:just lol if you dont throw out your carefully tested ITS list the night before the tournament and take a mix of poo poo you havent tried
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Mar 28, 2018 03:54
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"GUESS I'M TAKING KARAKURI" three matches later "HOLY poo poo KARAKURI loving OWN"
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Mar 28, 2018 04:22
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Geishabots are as good as their models are terrible. Which is tremendously. Holy poo poo, the Very Special Forces Foxtrot is better than those loving things.
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Mar 28, 2018 05:25
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Which one is that? Some of those old lady Ariadna pieces are absolute garbage.
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Mar 28, 2018 05:49
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grassy gnoll posted:Geishabots are as good as their models are terrible. this is the motherfuckin truth what i dont get is why usage is so LOW, incredibly durable specialists with some amazing loadouts for standard HI costs why aren't people apparently using them
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Mar 28, 2018 05:55
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Sorry, apparently he's a Minuteman, not a foxtrot. Hum tee dum, hope I don't trip on that rock with my multi terrain oh no not again
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Mar 28, 2018 07:20
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Clawtopsy posted:this is the motherfuckin truth I think popularity is still enormously influenced by model aesthetics, even with competitive tournament players. Most people will optimize their army within the bounds of what they think is cool, or they will naturally go with the units they like the look of, and then get more and more comfortable with using them. Same as a pano player wants to use high tech power armoured visor dudes rather than a krakot mercenary, despite the latter's tactical uses, a JSA player may have bought in for the awesome cyborg samurai models and overlook the weird geisha robots.
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Mar 28, 2018 09:17
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Yeah, that's gotta be a huge impact. I bet magisters triple in lists between pre-new model anniuncement and after the release.
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Mar 28, 2018 10:44
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Clawtopsy posted:this is the motherfuckin truth Because the Japanese are second rate citizens in the State Empire, duh.
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grassy gnoll posted:Sorry, apparently he's a Minuteman, not a foxtrot. That's a woman u misogynistic piece of poo poo Also karaukuri own hard
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