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BotL has successfully articulated the painfully obvious mundane point that the Empire was written broadly enough to stand for both everything and nothing. He'd proud of this because he's an idiot.
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jivjov posted:No...the Star Wars canon is what works are and aren't part of the ongoing narrative. Any ongoing narrative is purely a construction by the reader, including whether or not one story is a sequel or prequel to another. No authority can determine what fiction is "real" in relation to another. Yaws posted:BotL has successfully articulated the painfully obvious mundane point that the Empire was written broadly enough to stand for both everything and nothing. He'd proud of this because he's an idiot. I feel no pride or any other emotion. They have been purged through flagellation. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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Mar 27, 2018 04:46
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Any ongoing narrative is purely a construction by the reader, including whether or not one story is a sequel or prequel to another. No authority can determine what fiction is "real" in relation to another. The license holders absolutely can. That's literally the JOB of the Story Group. Sure, you can make up your own head-canon as a reader...but that's not what officially counts.
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Mar 27, 2018 04:53
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jivjov posted:The license holders absolutely can. That's literally the JOB of the Story Group. Official interpretations of art are an authoritarian gesture. Fans are cretinous enough to want it because freedom terrifies them, even when applied to the continuity of space wizard books. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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Mar 27, 2018 04:57
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Official interpretations of art are an authoritarian gesture. Fans are cretinous enough to want it because freedom terrifies them, even when applied to the continuity of space wizard books. Or fans want to enjoy an ongoing narrative?
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Mar 27, 2018 05:08
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Yaws posted:BotL has successfully articulated the painfully obvious mundane point that the Empire was written broadly enough to stand for both everything and nothing. He'd proud of this because he's an idiot. If it's so obvious why's everyone jumping on the guy? "You're wrong." 50 posts later "You're right, but your point is painfully obvious."
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Mar 27, 2018 05:20
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jivjov posted:Or fans want to enjoy an ongoing narrative? Nobody enjoys canon or needs it to enjoy an ongoing narrative. It is a device to safeguard against the terrible freedom of interpretation.
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Mar 27, 2018 05:26
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Shanty posted:If it's so obvious why's everyone jumping on the guy? It's almost like BotL has nothing new to say! Crazy innit?
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Mar 27, 2018 05:27
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Brother Entropy posted:yuuuup Ah, the First Order is Waluigi.
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Mar 27, 2018 06:23
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wyoming posted:Ah, the First Order is Waluigi. Waluigi is far too charismatic and well spoken for that comparison.
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Mar 27, 2018 06:27
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I feel no pride or any other emotion. They have been purged through flagellation. 
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Mar 27, 2018 07:01
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wyoming posted:Ah, the First Order is Waluigi. Purple and yellow is a pretty color combination, so they're on the right path...  Instead of the Wilhelm Scream, Waluigi's WAH is used instead?
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Mar 27, 2018 07:30
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Nobody enjoys canon or needs it to enjoy an ongoing narrative. It is a device to safeguard against the terrible freedom of interpretation. Actually, writers need it in order to be consistent from book to book or film to film, you loving dweeb. Yes, you are free to pick and choose whatever idiot fantasies infect your syphilitic brain, but when working on an ongoing work intended to be told as a cohesive story, it is kind of loving important to know which version of events 'actually happened' for the purposes of the stories you are telling. In the case of Star Wars, there was a decades long expanded universe that had to ruled 'out of canon' with regards to the new films, because otherwise they don't loving make sense.
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Mar 27, 2018 08:03
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Caros posted:Actually, writers need it in order to be consistent from book to book or film to film, you loving dweeb. lol ease up turbo it's just star wars
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Mar 27, 2018 08:06
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Caros posted:whatever idiot fantasies infect your syphilitic brain,
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Mar 27, 2018 08:11
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Milky Moor posted:lol ease up turbo it's just star wars I haven't a clue why people take Star Wars so seriously compared to all the other movies out there. It's Star Wars and superhero movies; people get so bent out of shape over them and it just doesn't make any sense.
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Mar 27, 2018 08:24
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Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't a clue why people take Star Wars so seriously compared to all the other movies out there. It's Star Wars and superhero movies; people get so bent out of shape over them and it just doesn't make any sense. Star Wars is real.
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Mar 27, 2018 08:25
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Caros posted:Actually, writers need it in order to be consistent from book to book or film to film, you loving dweeb. This implies that they made sense beforehand.
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Mar 27, 2018 08:34
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Timby posted:Ron Howard officially has the lone directing credit on Solo, while Lord and Miller are now credited as executive producers. lmao. they better have gotten a massive payday for losing the credit
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Mar 27, 2018 08:57
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Caros posted:Actually, writers need it in order to be consistent from book to book or film to film, you loving dweeb. It's important to know what not-real events not-actually happened. But more seriously, you're making the same basic mistake as jivjov by confusing "canon" with "continuity," and only accounting for narrative continuity. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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Mar 27, 2018 10:13
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R. Guyovich posted:lmao. they better have gotten a massive payday for losing the credit They're still exec producers. This is a juicy bit of Hollywood gossip talking all about it. Disney, are you loving this up?
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Mar 27, 2018 12:30
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's important to know what not-real events not-actually happened. "The Canon" is the term the Star Wars franchise uses to refer to its continuity
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Mar 27, 2018 12:31
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J_RBG posted:They're still exec producers. This is a juicy bit of Hollywood gossip talking all about it. Disney, are you loving this up? 'Exclusive insider' tacitly applauds every action multinational corporation take, how unusual.
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Mar 27, 2018 12:38
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J_RBG posted:They're still exec producers. This is a juicy bit of Hollywood gossip talking all about it. Disney, are you loving this up? The amount of takes being correlated to how good or bad the directors are is really funny. You won't hear anybody say that Kubrick was out of control and unprepared for doing a horror movie cause he did 500 takes of Scatman Crothers talking about telephatic powers to a child. Don't gently caress with Disney, they will bury you.
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Mar 27, 2018 12:47
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's important to know what not-real events not-actually happened. Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Pachebelus The Baroque?
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Mar 27, 2018 12:48
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jivjov posted:"The Canon" is the term the Star Wars franchise uses to refer to its continuity Exactly, it's purely a marketing term.
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Mar 27, 2018 13:09
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it's appropriately religious, really.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:17
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i could have sworn that "canon" as it relates to fiction started off as a joke term for continuity, and at some point it stopped being a joke
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Mar 27, 2018 14:22
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Serf posted:i could have sworn that "canon" as it relates to fiction started off as a joke term for continuity, and at some point it stopped being a joke I have no doubt it did, but we're kind of beyond that point now, and it's the term used to refer to continuity in fiction. Canon (fiction) quote:The use of the word "canon" originated in reference to a set of texts derives from Biblical canon, the set of books regarded as scripture, as contrasted with non-canonical Apocrypha. The term was first used by analogy in the context of fiction to refer to the Sherlock Holmes stories and novels, written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, as contrasted with numerous Holmes adventures added later by other writers. This usage was afterwards extended to the writings of various other authors. Language evolves. You can think it's dumb, and you wouldn't really be wrong, but it is a thing, and arguing that it isn't a thing because it didn't used to be a thing is also dumb.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:38
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quote:“Trying to mimic Harrison Ford is really tough,” our source says. “Lucasfilm wanted something very specific: copying someone else. Alden’s not a bad actor — just not good enough.” This is incredible. Too bad that Disney got rid of them "early", we could've have another Justice League trainwreck to make youtube comparison videos. Instead we just going to get a tv movie with "not a bad actor" doing a bad harrison ford impression.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:02
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I don't know what it says about me that I unironically find BotL's posts extremely entertaining but, well, here we are There's just the perfect balance of "extremely wrong," "deliberately obtuse," and "actually kinda right this time" to be highly readable. Yaws posted:BotL has successfully articulated the painfully obvious mundane point that the Empire was written broadly enough to stand for both everything and nothing. He'd proud of this because he's an idiot. To jump off of this: I hope that Episode IX's creative team remembers that the Rebels/Resistance vs. Empire/First Order conflict works best as a backdrop for character-level drama because of that broadness. I think that's part of why Empire Strikes Back is so much better than Return of the Jedi. Its focus is on specific character conflicts and interactions with the Empire almost filling the role of the zombies in a decent zombie movie--an encroaching, destructive force beyond any one character's control that pushes the characters we actually give a poo poo about into conflict. Return of the Jedi spends so much time on this big, climactic battle between the Rebels and the Empire that the only part of it with any teeth is Luke and Vader in the last act. I really hope that Episode IX doesn't make the same mistake, really. The First Order isn't any more interesting, detailed, or nuanced than the Empire and it's not going to become that in a single film, so the war is best used as background, not the focus of the story.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:04
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I think they just should forego the obvious and have IX take place 10 years after VIII, in the same vein as I and II.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:29
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J_RBG posted:They're still exec producers. This is a juicy bit of Hollywood gossip talking all about it. Disney, are you loving this up? quote:So, are the reshoots quantitatively making Solo a better movie? The actor says morale on the production improved by leaps and bounds with Howard’s arrival but points out it’s impossible to measure quality without seeing the final cut. He also points out that the financial underperformance of the last Star Wars installment — which fell $200 million short of analysts’ predictions, according to The Wall Street Journal — has incentivized the studio to make the Force strong with this one. “They have to make [Solo] good after The Last Jedi didn’t make as much money as expected,” he says. “If they want to keep making Star Wars movies, it has to be good.” I knew it.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:29
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"The Last Jedi only made 1.3 billion so Solo better make more than that or we may not get any more Star Wars movies." It's like they're holding Star Wars for ransom. They're saying hey fans, you don't get to be discerning and choose which Star Wars you want to see, you have to support every single turd be put out or else no more Star Wars. gently caress that.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:35
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Speculation based on analysts expectations. That’s as good as fact I guess.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:35
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A problem with the First Order is that it doesn't tell you what it is. The Empire is an empire. The Old Republic was a moribund republic. The Separatists were a secessionist movement. The First Order is what exactly? No character simply exposits a comprehensive explanation you can take at face value; you have to do your own reading. We've had this discussion before. The First Order rose "from the ashes" of the Empire, characters talk about it as if it's a small remnant of the Empire, but it clearly has this massive base of support. Meanwhile the Rebellion is over, and the New Republic is somehow a different entity from the Resistance. A long while back someone likened the New Republic to the Spanish Second Republic and the First Order to the Francoists, which makes the most sense to me. The New Republic is a weak provisional government that has to ally with a non-state resistance movement to fend off attacks from a radical counterrevolutionary movement, which is itself just a continuation of the Empire that came before.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:47
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Expert analysts expect Episode IX to make at least a zillion-quadrillion dollars.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:58
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Halloween Jack posted:A problem with the First Order is that it doesn't tell you what it is. The Empire is an empire. The Old Republic was a moribund republic. The Separatists were a secessionist movement. The First Order is what exactly? No character simply exposits a comprehensive explanation you can take at face value; you have to do your own reading. quote:A long while back someone likened the New Republic to the Spanish Second Republic and the First Order to the Francoists, which makes the most sense to me. The New Republic is a weak provisional government that has to ally with a non-state resistance movement to fend off attacks from a radical counterrevolutionary movement, which is itself just a continuation of the Empire that came before. This is already pretty obvious from material contained in The Force Awakens.
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Mar 27, 2018 19:09
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Well there's a scene that's just Snoke having this explained to him, so how can you fault me?
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Harrow posted:To jump off of this: I hope that Episode IX's creative team remembers that the Rebels/Resistance vs. Empire/First Order conflict works best as a backdrop for character-level drama because of that broadness. I think that's part of why Empire Strikes Back is so much better than Return of the Jedi. Its focus is on specific character conflicts and interactions with the Empire almost filling the role of the zombies in a decent zombie movie--an encroaching, destructive force beyond any one character's control that pushes the characters we actually give a poo poo about into conflict. Return of the Jedi spends so much time on this big, climactic battle between the Rebels and the Empire that the only part of it with any teeth is Luke and Vader in the last act.
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