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joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

Jose posted:

aside from all his brazil stuff i can't read he's been a really good twitter follow since i decided to follow him

The intercept's reporting has been by far the best coverage of Brazil. Greenwald may be divisive on Russia (and people in the Russia thread get completely deranged about him), but on Brazil him and the intercept have been fantastic.

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
what’s the sudden deal with Facebook? are people just now realizing what Facebook does? next are people going to be “shocked” that their amazon echo is also harvesting data?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


ate poo poo on live tv posted:

what’s the sudden deal with Facebook? are people just now realizing what Facebook does? next are people going to be “shocked” that their amazon echo is also harvesting data?

absolutely no one cares how you totally knew about this all along

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


SKULL.GIF posted:

absolutely no one cares how you totally knew about this all along

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


His Purple Majesty posted:

Hey guys I just woke up from a coma from a pine cone hitting me on the head, how is Doug Jones doing right now !?!?

the good news is he isn’t an unapologetic child molester,

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

About 40 percent of Americans report skipping a recommended medical test or treatment and 44 percent say they didn’t go to a doctor when they were sick or injured in the last year because of cost, according to a new national poll from NORC at the University of Chicago and the West Health Institute.

The February survey of more than 1,300 adults offers new insights into how Americans feel about the costs of healthcare and how they report those costs affect their medical decisions and personal finances. While $3.3 trillion was spent on healthcare in the U.S. in 2016 – 17.9 percent of Gross Domestic Product – the new national poll finds three-quarters of Americans do not think we get good value for what our country spends on healthcare.

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In the survey [...], about 30 percent said that over the last year they had to choose between paying for medical bills or basic necessities like food, heating or housing. But people say they are not only facing tough choices; they are scared. More people fear the medical bills that come with a serious illness than fear the illness itself (40 percent vs. 33 percent). Those who reported skipping a recommended test or treatment were about two times more likely to fear getting sick (47 percent vs. 24 percent) and to fear the costs of care (60 percent vs. 27 percent).

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The survey also revealed Americans are not only delaying but also going without recommended care such as tests, treatments and doctor visits. About one-in-three respondents report they did not fill a prescription or took less than the prescribed dose to save money. Dental care also suffered. Nearly half say they went without a routine cleaning or check up in the last year, and 39 percent say they did not go to the dentist when they needed treatment.

More than half of survey respondents report serious financial consequences due to the costs of healthcare. Thirty-six percent say they have had to use up all or most of their savings, 32 percent report borrowing money or increasing credit card debt, and 41 percent say they decreased contributions to a savings plan because of healthcare expenses.

Some healthcare bills came as a surprise to many Americans. Over half of respondents said they received a medical bill for something they thought was covered by their health insurance, and a similar proportion reported receiving a medical bill that was higher than they expected. Strikingly, more than a quarter of respondents reported having a medical bill turned over to a collection agency within the past year.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

SKULL.GIF posted:

absolutely no one cares how you totally knew about this all along

The shocking part is that there were people that didn’t know it all along

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
no it isn't, people have different levels of awareness of the world around them, different capacity to understand things, and poo poo publicly reaching critical mass has always been and will always be an important historical force

y'all sound like loving fishmech about the snowden leaks

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
not to mention a lot of the poo poo in the Cambridge Analytica thing was because people's data got harvested through friends and not directly. if this is what needed to get people to think about this kind of poo poo, it's a good thing.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
yeah, that’s what I was getting at.
I assume it’s the same kind of people who were “shocked” in the 70’s that smoking was bad for you. maybe some enterprising law firm will start the deluge of Facebook / privacy lawsuits and we will have some actual progress in that direction finally.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

His Purple Majesty posted:

Hey guys I just woke up from a coma from a pine cone hitting me on the head, how is Doug Jones doing right now !?!?

It is entirely accurate to say without a hint of irony that Roy Moore would have voted in Trump's favor fewer times.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
lol if you morons don't already know everything there is to know about the future from Nostradamus

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Also, there's a bit of a difference between what "everybody knew" (that Facebook* was harvesting your data to sell to advertisers) and what's since come out (that Facebook* was harvesting your data to sell to foreign intelligence, conservative political activists and the Gestapo).

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*Also Twitter, Google, Apple, and your personal favorite tech company that would never ever betray you thus.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
i assure you what social media companies do with your information is much stupider and much eviler than you could possibly comprehend

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

SKULL.GIF posted:

absolutely no one cares how you totally knew about this all along

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/978447569478144007?s=19

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the more I learn of you humans, the more I understand what it is to be human.

Also, this dude has an expired visa and I'm running for president

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


anime was right posted:

i assure you what social media companies do with your information is much stupider and much eviler than you could possibly comprehend

https://twitter.com/sarahfrier/status/978679918685954048

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


emdash posted:

no it isn't, people have different levels of awareness of the world around them, different capacity to understand things, and poo poo publicly reaching critical mass has always been and will always be an important historical force

y'all sound like loving fishmech about the snowden leaks

jesus christ that whole episode was SO ANNOYING trying to explain to brain geniuses that only a very small slice of the population kept track of whistleblowers from two decades ago

and then the same song and dance happened again a year later when the Panama papers came out

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ytlaya posted:

I think you're very confused about the point I'm trying to make. I'm not talking about people increasing their earnings, but rather them choosing to use their already-really-high earnings in a way that allows them to live off returns (or not doing so). Someone shouldn't be considered part of a lower class just because they manage to blow $300k/yr (or whatever) on a certain quality of lifestyle. If the same person had the standard of living of a relatively normal person (or even someone considerably better off), they would quickly accrue enough wealth to live off returns, so they're basically making an active choice to live in luxury in exchange for not being able to live off returns.


Classes aren't about standard of living but about control. A worker making $300k has the same class interests as a worker making $30k, whereas a worker making $30k has opposing class interests to a small business owner making $30k.

Classes also aren't about wealth. If I have $20m in paper money, and use it only to spend on living and don't invest it, I'm not acting as a capitalist.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Whats this socialism of a sort that the right wing espouses foruks poster powercrazy

The military.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

what’s the sudden deal with Facebook? are people just now realizing what Facebook does? next are people going to be “shocked” that their amazon echo is also harvesting data?

i don't even own a facebook :colbert:

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

The Muppets On PCP posted:

i don't even own a facebook :colbert:

https://youtu.be/Uy5rz1cft5w

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



cynthia nixon is now selling buttons that say "unqualified lesbian"

https://twitter.com/CynthiaNixon/status/978711640416948224

unbutthurtable
Dec 2, 2016

Total. Tox. Rereg.


College Slice

Shear Modulus posted:

cynthia nixon is now selling buttons that say "unqualified lesbian"

https://twitter.com/CynthiaNixon/status/978711640416948224

next she's gonna steal the cynthwave meme we made!

Modus Pwnens
Dec 29, 2004
We need to form a household employer's union.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

The Muppets On PCP posted:

i don't even own a facebook :colbert:

Good for you.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Shear Modulus posted:

cynthia nixon is now selling buttons that say "unqualified lesbian"

https://twitter.com/CynthiaNixon/status/978711640416948224

I’m getting flashbacks to hillary selling woman cards merch.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

really queer Christmas posted:

I’m getting flashbacks to hillary selling woman cards merch.

Reminds me more directly of the "Qualified" bumper sticker honestly

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

really queer Christmas posted:

I’m getting flashbacks to hillary selling woman cards merch.

https://twitter.com/philipaklein/status/978312297629339649

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

loquacius posted:

Reminds me more directly of the "Qualified" bumper sticker honestly

reminds me more of one candidate being insulting and the other embracing the insult

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

is this your slimy lovely little lanyard take now? you're really going to side with Andrew Cuomo?

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Matt Zerella posted:

is this your slimy lovely little lanyard take now? you're really going to side with Andrew Cuomo?

i'm as much siding with andrew cuomo as you're siding with trump when you criticize hillary

that is to say: not at all

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Matt Zerella posted:

is this your slimy lovely little lanyard take now? you're really going to side with Andrew Cuomo?

He wants Cuomo win just like ne wants every poo poo Dem to win

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

sneaky Louise, adding the m

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Mr. Cuomo is well acquainted with the lgbt community from the hey-day of his father's campaign in the 80s

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Concerned Citizen posted:

i'm as much siding with andrew cuomo as you're siding with trump when you criticize hillary

that is to say: not at all

shut the gently caress you wormy little poo poo

Matt Zerella has issued a correction as of 20:56 on Mar 27, 2018

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

That's just hypocritically gross

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Classes aren't about standard of living but about control. A worker making $300k has the same class interests as a worker making $30k, whereas a worker making $30k has opposing class interests to a small business owner making $30k.

Classes also aren't about wealth. If I have $20m in paper money, and use it only to spend on living and don't invest it, I'm not acting as a capitalist.

I get the point you're trying to make, but the problem is that labor income always has the ability to be converted into capital, so a person making a lot of money will always share a lot of the interests of someone who currently gets most income from investments. They can always say "instead of spending my money on hookers and blow this year, I'm gonna invest it" and suddenly they're benefiting from the same things as capitalists. Someone who doesn't make much money doesn't have that choice, because they'll always be relying on their labor income in order to maintain a reasonable quality of life. Basically, the person with a very high income still benefits from having "invest a bunch more money and accrue significant capital income" as an option available to them. At the very least, this warrants being considered fundamentally different from someone who doesn't make enough money to have that as an option available to them.

An analogy might be someone whose parents have a bunch of wealth; even though they aren't currently benefiting from that wealth, they still share the interests of capital because it's something they can/will elect into in the future. The same is true for someone with a high income who is currently choosing not to invest more of it for whatever reason. Improving one of the options available to that person improves their net situation.

(Also that doesn't really address the secondary "it doesn't make sense to compare labor income with capital income, but rather to merely look at capital income and whether it constitutes a living wage" point. Someone in that situation isn't really relying on labor, since labor is just a choice they're making and they could always stop working and live off the returns, even if it would lower their yearly income. So "is their primary income stream from investments" is not the best way to define capitalist, since "could they choose to subsist off investments alone" is far more reasonable.)

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Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
weird how some people itt who have lobbed criticisms at dems for running candidates whose greatest attribute is "not republican" suddenly have no problem when you change it to "not cuomo."

cynthia nixon's candidacy is simply an avatar for bill hyers' and bill de blasio's grudge against cuomo, and an attempt to kneecap his presidential run. all of which is admirable and good, but that doesn't make a millionaire actress an ideal vehicle for progressive ideology.

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