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Spanish intelligence supposedly had a command central in Denmark for Puigdemont's arrest and accessed his phone from Danish soil. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155795808449130&set=a.10152189361659130.1073741830.558179129&type=3
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American. I loathe getting into it with people on fb but someone posted that Sweden gives people handguns when they are 21. Is this a misunderstanding of an existing law or complete and utter horseshit as I suspect
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Alan Smithee posted:American. It's "inhaling chemtrails allows you to communicate with the spirit of Elvis"-level of horseshit.
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Alan Smithee posted:American. That’s so batshit crazy-wrong that I’ve never even heard of that lie. And reading about twisted alt-right narratives is my bread and butter.
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Alan Smithee posted:I loathe getting into it with people on fb but someone posted that Sweden gives people handguns when they are 21. Is this a misunderstanding of an existing law or complete and utter horseshit as I suspect Getting permission to own a handgun in Sweden isn't easy. With a few niche exceptions, the only reason to own a centerfire handgun that's accepted by the police is sport shooting. To do that, you need to become a member of a shooting club and be an active member for 12 months. During that time you take a course and pass a written test for your competition license and pass a relatively high skill test, and then you're allowed to apply for a handgun license. Each gun needs to be applied for individually and you need to reapply for each one every 5 years, at which point you must prove that you've remained a sufficiently active sport shooter during the time.
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Mar 28, 2018 08:43
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VBK is the one to follow with regards to Swedish politics. Also note the difference in number of likes and retweet’s.
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Mar 28, 2018 09:12
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I feel like this is definitely his year as party after party descends into post-satire politics.
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Mar 28, 2018 09:27
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Heinz Hynkel posted:I am simply comparing sweden with Norway and Denmark. Even even though it is not the "rape capital of the world" its extreme compared to nations Don't forget the Swedish no-go zones. Ruled by rival clans of warlord. ISIS fighters man the ramparts with AK-47s and RPGs and local police dare not come near.
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Alan Smithee posted:American. Collateral Damage already gave you a good answer, but I'll take the opportunity to expand a bit on how Swedish gun control works. In general, legally possessing any firearm requires a license, and getting a license requires being able to demonstrate a legal and reasonable need for the firearm. Legal and reasonable needs include e.g. collecting historical firearms (you can even get a special display license that's easier to get but does not come with the right to actually fire the gun), sport shooting, hunting and being active in the military in some way - but not self-defense. This does have a bit of a catch-22 built into it - if you want to get into sport shooting, you need a gun, but to get a gun you need to be able to demonstrate that you're into sport shooting - and that's where the clubs come in, by lending their members guns for target practice. On the other hand, while the law demands caution and careful examination of needs when issuing licenses for certain particularly dangerous weapons, there are technically no hard restrictions on what kind of firearms licenses a private individual may be issued, as long as they can demonstrate a legal and reasonable need and the ability to keep it safe. There are civilian shooting tournaments with the kpist m/45 ("Swedish K") submachine gun even today, and you can get a license for that (although it apparently requires quite a bit of legal wrangling). Legally keeping guns at home also requires the ability to store them safely locked up - usually in the form of some kind of weapons safe which must either be very heavy or anchored to the building. Hunting rifles and shotguns are very common - there are some two million registered hunting weapons in a population of around ten million - and if you've demonstrated interest and competence by e.g. joining a hunting club and passing a hunter's examination, it's relatively easy to get a license. Handguns are much less common and getting a license is harder, but there's no shortage of clubs. The police is quite restrictive with issuing licenses for more exotic things these days, though. If a license application is denied you can sue and demand that a court tries it, but I don't think most people would bother. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Mar 28, 2018 10:24
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At age 21 you've been an adult for three years. Why would the government give you anything for that accomplishment?
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Potrzebie posted:At age 21 you've been an adult for three years. Why would the government give you anything for that accomplishment?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Because that's when Americans are allowed to drink. This has always seemed so loving weird to me. Drive at 16? Sure, go wild! Have a drink? gently caress NO WAIT UNTIL 21!!
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Mar 28, 2018 11:34
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Potrzebie posted:At age 21 you've been an adult for three years. Why would the government give you anything for that accomplishment? You're just putting away your training machete and handed your adulthood AK-47, how else is a Swede to live?
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Mar 28, 2018 11:48
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Is Sweden still struggling integrating refugees? Or have things been inproving? I recall refugees had a huge unemployment rate.
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Mar 28, 2018 16:36
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Just gonna drop this here, as the nefarious commie that I am: https://twitter.com/jspangberg/status/978902098590003200?s=21
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That's not even the worst example. https://twitter.com/johekstrom/status/978865993773731842 Svensk hederskultur 
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LoL, älskar borgerligt hyckleri.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is Sweden still struggling integrating refugees? Or have things been inproving? I recall refugees had a huge unemployment rate. Yes, because these things take years to mess up and years to fix, the effects of the 2015 wave are also crystallizing to more long-term problems. For example a growing problem is the asylum seekers who get denied asylum are often not sent back to their "home countries" and thus go underground where they reside in a legal vacuum where they lose legal options for livelihood and societal integration. Thus an easily exploited illegal underclass is growing, a boon for organized crime.
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I have never understood this obsession with fritidsgårdar. Does young people actually go to these places? As for drugs, as I would assume you all know, people who are rich does as much drugs as poorer people. It is just that richer people have better safety nets ( not just due to money) that makes the consequences less severe.
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While I'm asking questions, I'm curious, why do your education results lag behind neighboring countries? Is it due to all three charter schools?Zudgemud posted:Yes, because these things take years to mess up and years to fix, the effects of the 2015 wave are also crystallizing to more long-term problems. For example a growing problem is the asylum seekers who get denied asylum are often not sent back to their "home countries" and thus go underground where they reside in a legal vacuum where they lose legal options for livelihood and societal integration. Thus an easily exploited illegal underclass is growing, a boon for organized crime. Thanks.
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punk rebel ecks posted:While I'm asking questions, I'm curious, why do your education results lag behind neighboring countries? Is it due to all three charter schools? A friends wife who's a middle school teacher blames immigration. She says she has several students she can't communicate with at all. They are supposed to have translators help but there aren't enough translators. The students get failed in all subjects and it does a lot to tank the over all score. On the other hand I did some googling and found articles from something like 2008 when the Moderates blamed the Social Democrats for it and said that it would take a while before the Moderates school reforms improved the situation. 10 years later and still waiting I suppose.
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Katt posted:A friends wife who's a middle school teacher blames immigration. She says she has several students she can't communicate with at all. They are supposed to have translators help but there aren't enough translators. The students get failed in all subjects and it does a lot to tank the over all score. I don't think that's it. As far as I know Norway scores worse than Sweden for both high school drop out rates and results on national and international tests, and we don't have nearly as many immigrants as Sweden does. Having worked as a teacher, both full-time and substitute (currently substitute while I work on my master's degree), I can't really identify "the problem" to be honest. Part of it probably stems from how the teachers' role both in and out of the classroom has changed alot in the past decades, along with how schools are run, alot of teachers do feel like they are just called on to do too many things. There's also the issue of curriculum, which I have felt myself, in that it feels far too bloated, ambitious and unfocused compared to how much time you actually have to teach something before you have to move on, but you also have to keep in mind that there's a certain amount of curriculum you have to get through because you are supposed to prepare your students for their final exams. That can be a bit frustrating, particularly in mathematics where I have long boring opinions on how it might be worth it to restructure what exactly is to be learned and when it is to be learned, but that's not something I'll delve into here.
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If Norway and Sweden underperform, why don't they just use Finland's model?
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punk rebel ecks posted:If Norway and Sweden underperform, why don't they just use Finland's model? That's something that comes up often in media actually. In practice it's probably alot easier said than done at this point.
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punk rebel ecks posted:If Norway and Sweden underperform, why don't they just use Finland's model?
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Just nationalization all schools and have each class be proportional by academic performance, income, and ethnic background.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just nationalization all schools and have each class be proportional by academic performance, income, and ethnic background. Most of our schools are public, though there are many private schools and more have been opening in the past 20 years and they are becoming more popular. It is frustrating to see how different two public schools in the same municipality can be though, in terms of funding allocated to classrooms, equipment, and so on. At times it's made me downright angry to see how one school in a city center has state of the art projectors, nice desks and chairs, plenty of computers to go around for the students, a loving 20 000 NOK piece of art in the foyer, whilst another about 20 minutes away has to make do with the same poo poo they got 10-20 years ago, if it even works still.
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Cardiac posted:I have never understood this obsession with fritidsgårdar. Does young people actually go to these places? Literally:  But yes, many do. And for teenagers who are on bad terms with their parents at home it is an especially important venue.
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There have been studies comparing the Scandinavian countries, where it have been investigated school results versus native/foreign born and native born have not dropped that much. Which given the increased ratio of population of foreign born pulls down the result. Hardly the only answer to the school crisis, where everyone seems to take their pet political obsession and applying it, like private schools, freedom of choice, salary of teachers, quality of teachers, how the municipality runs it, social status of pupils, pedagogy and so on. The only thing that seems clear is how it is turning into a clear divider based on who your parents are, which is bad, since you hinder social mobility. MiddleOne posted:Literally: Oh, those teenagers for whom the school is a refuge from home. Well, I guess in those cases and that the fritidsgård is not just another step in a bad spiral due to how it is run.
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punk rebel ecks posted:While I'm asking questions, I'm curious, why do your education results lag behind neighboring countries? Is it due to all three charter schools? Generally sweden has had some major structural and pedagogics reforms during the last few decades. From my personal experience talking with teachers, these reforms have seemingly in aggregate created and shifted a bigger and bigger administrative burden on to the teachers, which makes planning and performing teaching harder due to simple time constraints. This have also been detrimental to the status (and salary) of the profession and as a result the bar for becoming a teacher and working as one have become quite low (I have personally taught teacher students biology, they were pretty poo poo in terms of general knowledge and motivation IMHO, I would personally have liked my kids to have more ambitious teachers). Stuff like language barriers for new arrivals is probably minor by itself, but concentrating these students in low income suburbs where schools already suffer staffing/order/motivation difficulties likely exacerbates the problem. For our department the new students arriving at university have become worse in terms of study methods and pre existing knowledge compared to students a decade ago (our lecturers say it's mainly regarding taking notes, do math and study by themselves off schedule). Which have resulted in us having to make changes to start the introductionary courses at a slower pace, provide more scheduled hours and offer pre course preparatory courses to help stem the tide of new students flushing out in the first year. However, this is also very likely an effect of the pedagogics and curriculum of the pre university school changing and us simply not getting it until now though, a problem we are likely not alone in facing.
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Hey Danish people what the gently caress. https://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders You are literally the second most socialist country in the world after China. Why you do this? Why do you give the libertarians this fuel so they can claim that free market magic is why the Scandinavian countries have higher standards of living?
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Katt posted:You are literally the second most socialist country in the world after China. What the gently caress? 
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Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. That's not to say that socialism hasn't been important or that it doesn't continue to be important. But I'd still say it's wrong to call any of them socialist countries. And of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, Denmark probably is the one that is the least socialist. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Randarkman posted:Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. That's not to say that socialism hasn't been important or that it doesn't continue to be important. But I'd still say it's wrong to call any of them socialist countries. All googling indicates that Denmark has the most socialist policies of all. And if we adopt a position that "No country is really socialist" and so the Scandinavian countries are not then that's just arguing in bad faith.
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The Scandinavian countries are usually described as social democracies, not socialist. And the China part makes you look like just about the least educated American out there.
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Mar 28, 2018 21:48
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Katt posted:All googling indicates that Denmark has the most socialist policies of all. There are socialist countries though, such as Cuba and the Soviet Union. I guess my definition of a socialist state is bit more restrictive in that I think for a coutnry to be defined as that, socialism in some way has to be be enshrined in the state. All the Scandinavian countries are also explicitly market economies with all that that means. One of the most interesting aspects is the corporatist element of Scandinavian countries, where labor relations and policy are left to be negotiated and defined by labor unions and employer organizations, with the state in a mediating role. I guess this is can be seen as a left wing policy, but it also empowers employers in addition to unions, the expectation being co-operation and negotiation between the two. So corporatism is maybe the best description of that affair.
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Katt posted:All googling indicates that Denmark has the most socialist policies of all.
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What about the whole thing where the government strong arms capital to keep down things like rent prices and maintain labour rights?
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The only "socialist" place in the world is Bolonga in Italy. Everywhere else is a mox of Capitalism and statism. Usually the former dominating.Katt posted:What about the whole thing where the government strong arms capital to keep down things like rent prices and maintain labour rights? Government intervention isn't socialist in itself. Now if the apartments were ownd collectively by it's residents, then that would be a socialist policy.
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