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HEY GUNS posted:I think helping the poor is a good thing to do, and that it enacts the virtue of charity. I don't think it's the point of the world, or of the cosmos, and I don't think I hate the poor if I say that. the beatitudes aren't blessings for those who help the poor, they're blessings for those who are poor. it's an important distinction the point of our world isn't something Christianity really gets into though, I agree. we see in, e.g. the parable of the rich young ruler that Christianity is about personal transformation rather than something like political activism. if that leads to political activism on behalf of the poor then that's fine but...it's more about you and what you do rather than a call for social justice.
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The Phlegmatist posted:the beatitudes aren't blessings for those who help the poor, they're blessings for those who are poor. it's an important distinction would you believe i confused the beatitudes with the seven corporal works of mercy
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Mar 26, 2018 07:21
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Senju Kannon posted:i am not feeling great anyway it turned out it was benign. Keep on keeping on.
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Mar 26, 2018 07:24
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Mar 26, 2018 18:43
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the virgin roman tonsure and the chad celtic tonsure
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Mar 26, 2018 18:56
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I kind of like the tonsure. it looks neat.
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Mar 27, 2018 05:33
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i just finished reading a short summary of aquinas' work and am really interested in any kind of theological input, but especially liberation theology and the like (mostly because it sounds like something up my lane). i'd like something that's noob-friendly but still treats the subject with some kind of respect. any recs?
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Mar 27, 2018 17:23
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god of the oppressed by james hal cone is a foundational text for black liberation theology and is one of the best works of nonfiction writing i have ever read. cone’s writing is a genuine joy to read. i would need some time to think of more beginner friendly texts. a lot of latin american liberation theology is highly technical, and asian liberation theology has similar issues. not that cone is less scholastic, just that his writing style makes his work more accessible while guttierez, ellacuria, and especially sobrino write in an incredibly dense academic style that you really need to be familiar with the field to follow
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Mar 27, 2018 21:01
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It's not liberation theology exactly, and it's also Mennonite as all get-out (which puts it well on the fringe, especially for this thread), but The Upside-Down Kingdom by Donald Kraybill is a good read on an Anabaptist-flavored social gospel.
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Mar 27, 2018 21:35
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I'm reading up on Russian serfdom a bit, and in the process checked out a chapter on Russian peasant religious practices in a book called "The Peasant in Nineteenth-century Russia" (https://books.google.com/books?id=LlVYJaLBDMYC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false) The chapter is fascinating, I had never heard of Dukhobortsy, a very weird group called Spirit-Wrestlers
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Mar 27, 2018 23:04
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CountFosco posted:The chapter is fascinating, I had never heard of Dukhobortsy, a very weird group called Spirit-Wrestlers A lot of them moved to Canada just before the turn of the 20th century to flee religious persecution, and their schism there and fight with the Canadian government was....interesting, to say the least.
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Mar 28, 2018 00:56
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TOOT BOOT posted:'If you're born intersexed, who should you date' is another kinda hard to answer question. http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2012/12/21/jill_peters_documenting_sworn_virgins_women_who_live_as_men_in_albania_photos.html
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Mar 28, 2018 08:30
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https://twitter.com/aptly_engineerd/status/978683554375917568
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Mar 28, 2018 15:33
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lol at breitbart you: liberals are ruining seminary with their cultural marxism me: yeah I fuckin wish conchita wurst taught theology, why'd you get my hopes up
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Mar 29, 2018 00:03
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"jesus was a drag king" is literally one of the least offensive queer theologians have said about jesus, ever a jesuit saying something like that isn't even shocking, much less a theologian at a jesuit school. like what the gently caress
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Mar 29, 2018 01:16
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if the architecture is modern and the mass is in the vernacular, even that won't redeem it wait till breitbart hears about..was it maximos the confessor, who thought we were all supposed to be genderqueer or something
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Mar 29, 2018 01:23
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I want to be the priest with a really strict reading of Aquinas doing bereavement counseling "will I see my wife again in heaven?" "yes, my son, you will see her again in the New Jerusalem, but she will be a dude" "oh, uh...that's weird, but c--" "nobody wears clothes in heaven either, it's a cazwell video up there"
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Mar 29, 2018 01:58
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"I knew it was gonna be a second coming, but this is ridiculous!"
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Mar 29, 2018 02:08
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I'm not going to lie, I find that reading into the text of sexualization pretty offensive. Repeated uses of "water" are erotic? What?
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Mar 29, 2018 03:07
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The Phlegmatist posted:I want to be the priest with a really strict reading of Aquinas doing bereavement counseling Better Aquinas than Origen, maybe? "Yes, and in heaven she'll have nicer curves, by which I mean she'll be a sphere. You too, come to think of it. In heaven it's pretty much all spheres, all the time. "
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Mar 29, 2018 03:19
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CountFosco posted:I'm not going to lie, I find that reading into the text of sexualization pretty offensive. Repeated uses of "water" are erotic? What? can someone explain this to me, a person who is not familiar with the text
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Mar 29, 2018 04:11
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I assume this is about the Shape of Water in some way.
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Mar 29, 2018 08:02
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I don't think Christianity particularly needs Breitbart to come running to its defense.
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Mar 29, 2018 08:46
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https://twitter.com/danschindel/status/977651721546563584?s=21
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Mar 29, 2018 09:22
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I only get the Left Behind references and basically none of the others.
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Mar 29, 2018 09:36
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TOOT BOOT posted:I only get the Left Behind references and basically none of the others. I...cannot say the same.
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Mar 29, 2018 11:22
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I got the Veggie Tales one. I had a friend who was really into them.
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Mar 29, 2018 11:35
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I am not critical of the child version of me who was specifically into the song The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything because I was into everything pirate back then.
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Mar 29, 2018 11:43
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No Flying House references=fail! Ok, lets see how many references I get. Davey and Goliath was a claymation series made by the Lutherans about a boy and his talking dog who face moral dilemmas, but none of them ever have to do with the philosophical implications of intelligent talking dogs. The theme song is a kind of trippy version of A Mighty Fortress. Bibleman is a bible themed superhero played by the guy from Charles in Charge. Not Charles, but his annoying friend. The Pirates who Don't Do Anything are characters from Veggie Tales, a show about Christian talking fruit. Chris, Joy, and Gizmo are characters from Superbook, a show about these kids who have a magic book that takes them through time that they only use to visit biblical events for some reason. The Camdens are from that show about this minister and his family, which I can't remember the name of right now, except the minister was played by the guy who was Decker in Star Trek The Motion Picture and later arrested for being a pedophile. Adventures in Odyssey is some radio drama/soap opera for kids that Charles Dobson, I think, produces, which has gone on forever at this point. Tess, Andrew, and Monica are all angels from the show Touched by an Angel, which was pretty much Highway to Heaven, except the the Victor French character was now Della Reese, who was more likely to sing gospel and less likely than to try to eat a really big sandwich. Those are the only ones I've got.
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Hi everyone, I've got a question about the timing of the celebration of Easter I hope you can help answer. IIUC, Jesus is held to have been crucified and died on Good Friday, and the Resurrection is then celebrated on Easter Sunday. At the same time, scripture and tradition holds that he rose on the third day after his execution. Now the Gospel of Mark gives the time of Jesus' death as the ninth hour on Friday. If I'm counting correctly, that would mean that it wasn't until the ninth hour on Monday that a full 72 hours had passed. Since that isn't how things are celebrated, when one day turns into the next must be measured differently in this regard. Do you know when one day was considered to pass into the next, whether at the time of the Crucifixion and/or when the church(es) settled on one way to celebrate the date going forward? And do you know the current and/or historical arguments for counting in this way? I'm really not sure how to google for the answer. Insofar as Wiki is reliable it maintains that there was some controversy about when exactly to celebrate, but that does not seem to include whether it should be Sunday or Monday after Good Friday. Given that WIki can't even agree with itself over whether Easter Sunday was an official decision at the Council of Nicaea or not, I was hoping that you could provide more credible (and accessible!) answers.
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Mar 29, 2018 13:02
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Bear in mind, it's not "three days after," but "the third day," which is inclusive. Friday is the first day, Saturday the second, Sunday the third.
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Mar 29, 2018 14:27
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Lutha Mahtin posted:can someone explain this to me, a person who is not familiar with the text I'm sorry, I wasn't speaking very clearly. It was in reference to this: "Saint John’s constant references to Jesus wanting water, giving water, and leaking water “speak to Jesus’ gender indeterminacy and hence his cross-dressing and other queer desires,” Liew contends." Now, this is what Breitbart says, so maybe they're misrepresenting Liew, but if they're not, then I find this reading of the use of water imagery to be anachronistic and isegetic.
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Mar 29, 2018 14:44
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Liew says himself that he's being intentionally transgressive in order to push back against the hyper-masculinized beer-drinkin' buddy Jesus who drives a Trans Am. Which seems to be slowly seeping in to all of Catholic men's ministry.
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Mar 29, 2018 16:33
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The Phlegmatist posted:Liew says himself that he's being intentionally transgressive in order to push back against the hyper-masculinized beer-drinkin' buddy Jesus who drives a Trans Am. Which seems to be slowly seeping in to all of Catholic men's ministry. So instead of talking about why Trans Am Jesus is bad, he's just pissing off people who like Trans AM Jesus?
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Mar 29, 2018 16:50
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Man, can you imagine how much easier of a time St. Paul the Apostle would've had with his grand missionary journeys if Buddy Jesus had just loaned him his Trans Am?
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Mar 29, 2018 16:57
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Slimy Hog posted:So instead of talking about why Trans Am Jesus is bad, he's just pissing off people who like Trans AM Jesus? Yeah. I don't fully agree with the method. But on the other hand, that Breitbart article has people reading a little bit of queer theology and talking about it. Which is a level of engagement that they otherwise would have not had.
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Mar 29, 2018 16:59
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The Phlegmatist posted:Yeah. I know nothing about queer theology, is most of it like this?
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Slimy Hog posted:I know nothing about queer theology, is most of it like this? depends on what you mean by "like this"
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the stuff I've read never mentioned cross dressing
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