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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:this reasoning would also imply that boarding actions would be borderline suicidal and therefore presumably rare though The level of technology in Traveller would generally make it impossible to ship to ship dock for a boarding action. (That is, there's no mention of a way to match your inertia with that of another ship) I don't recall this ever being addressed in a version of Traveller I've read.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Well, one of the key interesting points in Traveller is that there's no interstellar communications short of sending a ship from point A to point B, which is why worlds are still fairly diverse and relatively independent, and at least goes some way towards explaining piracy. I wouldn't say Traveller is perfectly consistent, but there are at least some interesting conceits as to why the world is the way it is. Well, the argument (as I understand and/or recall it) was while yes, the situation would seem to allow it, it would be transitory at best, at least within the Imperium. The reason for this is that any world that decided to support piracy would have a large Imperial fleet calling at it regularly, and a significant uptick in customs inspections for ships transitioning the system. Why? Because it's affecting interstellar commerce, and that's one of the primary reasons the Imperium exists. The Navy's two main functions are protecting the frontiers and removing piracy. So, while yes, the occasion act of piracy might occur, but odds are it's not going to happen very much and will be swiftly dealt with when it does. It's essentially such a low risk to traders plying the interior systems of the Imperium that it might as well not exist. DalaranJ posted:The level of technology in Traveller would generally make it impossible to ship to ship dock for a boarding action. (That is, there's no mention of a way to match your inertia with that of another ship) I don't recall this ever being addressed in a version of Traveller I've read. Jeb Bush 2012 posted:this reasoning would also imply that boarding actions would be borderline suicidal and therefore presumably rare though Both of these are true, and while there's been some waffling (like Marines being able to board when the ships close to <1k km in MgT), most people pretty much decided it's going to be a mutual thing. You're either let on board peacefully, or we shoot up your ship until you decide to let us on peacefully or explode. Boarding actions are kind of part of the fictional space, though (see: Star Wars, various Lensmen novels, etc) so I think they had to throw a nod in.
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I think you mean 'the Age of Sail, but in space'. Which is most science fiction. (Star Wars is more WW2 in space, but same difference half the time)
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Mar 28, 2018 11:19
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LoGH having a bunch of hardened dudes with loving battle-axes boarding ships in a setting where there's metal liquid asteroid fortresses.
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My one game of traveller had us pulled out of warp or hyperspace or whatever by something and then boarded by pirates while they took all our stuff. Presumed GM intent: we lose all our stuff and have to take... some job. Actual result: I manage to get into the pirate ship, expecting the others to follow. They do not. I start a one man guerilla war trying to sabotage their engines while also sending out distress signals. This utterly derailed the train and killed the campaign. I have no idea why the GM thought "Let them take our stuff" was ever on the table
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Mar 28, 2018 19:49
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Any plot based on "just let the NPCs work the PCs over" deserves to be derailed, IMHO. If he wanted you desperate and destitute, why not have that be the actual campaign pitch instead of making it a surprise?
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Yeah, if the campaign premise had been "You have just arrived in port after being rolled by some pirates..." it would have gone much different. I think he was testing out the combat system or something, it was his first time running the new (beta test possibly?) traveller. He's a good GM, but man, how did he not see this happening. I had a blast though. Got on board by hitching a ride on a box of farming equipment they were ferrying over. This came back later when I used a space tractor with a brick on the accelerator as a distraction. Splicer fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Plutonis posted:LoGH having a bunch of hardened dudes with loving battle-axes boarding ships in a setting where there's metal liquid asteroid fortresses. I vaguely remember there being some sort of gas they released that would blow up if someone just took a shot so there's that I guess
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01011001 posted:I vaguely remember there being some sort of gas they released that would blow up if someone just took a shot so there's that I guess
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I'm ok with that, personally
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I figured they must have really loved Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but Traveller predates it.
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Halloween Jack posted:I figured they must have really loved Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but Traveller predates it. Dudes with space axes doing boarding actions is probably an E. E. "Doc" Smith thing instead, given the timeframe. Hell, I think he may have invented 'big burly dudes doing boarding actions with space axes'
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What are some cool and lesser-known sci-fi rpg systems? I'm thinking sci-fi as in traveling around in space and dealing with different planets. By lesser-known, I mean stuff other than Eclipse Phase, Warhammer 40k, Starfinder, etc. Stuff like spellbound kingdoms or shadow of the demon lord look really cool, but I'd like something with a sci-fi setting.
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fr0id posted:What are some cool and lesser-known sci-fi rpg systems? I'm thinking sci-fi as in traveling around in space and dealing with different planets. By lesser-known, I mean stuff other than Eclipse Phase, Warhammer 40k, Starfinder, etc. Stuff like spellbound kingdoms or shadow of the demon lord look really cool, but I'd like something with a sci-fi setting. FRAGGED EMPIRE e: please read that as me yelling the name
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fr0id posted:What are some cool and lesser-known sci-fi rpg systems? I'm thinking sci-fi as in traveling around in space and dealing with different planets. By lesser-known, I mean stuff other than Eclipse Phase, Warhammer 40k, Starfinder, etc. Stuff like spellbound kingdoms or shadow of the demon lord look really cool, but I'd like something with a sci-fi setting. VSCA's Elysium Flare, Holmes.
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Mar 29, 2018 05:18
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Diaspora and Bulldogs, both FATE games
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starkebn posted:Diaspora and Bulldogs, both FATE games This dude knows what's up.
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fr0id posted:What are some cool and lesser-known sci-fi rpg systems? I'm thinking sci-fi as in traveling around in space and dealing with different planets. By lesser-known, I mean stuff other than Eclipse Phase, Warhammer 40k, Starfinder, etc. Stuff like spellbound kingdoms or shadow of the demon lord look really cool, but I'd like something with a sci-fi setting.      
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Diaspora is super heavy for a Fate game. I wasn't a fan. Though if your goal is hard sci-fi, including a bunch of minutia about space travel and EVA and such, it would definitely fit the bill.
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slap me and kiss me posted:This dude knows what's up. Actually it's pronounced, "Bulldogs!" 
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If you're okay with an OSR game there's Stars Without Number.
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S.J. posted:FRAGGED EMPIRE Gonna second this one.
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I, for one, am glad that our local moderator is dedicated to telling the harsh truths. https://twitter.com/Ettin64/status/979144968890564608 
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Ettin spent so much time wondering if he could that he never stopped to ask himself if he should.
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yeah but is it BESM or BESM d20, because obviously the latter is better
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Antivehicular posted:Any plot based on "just let the NPCs work the PCs over" deserves to be derailed, IMHO. If he wanted you desperate and destitute, why not have that be the actual campaign pitch instead of making it a surprise? Just a mismatch of perceptions. That position makes sense from a storytelling point (it's more visceral to experience the moment than to hear it happened which is why it's a CRPG trope) but the issue arises from the lack of verssimilitude between character and player motivations and the same for player and character capability. Players envisioning themselves as characters will attempt to do what characters will want to do, which is find any means to escape and will be less threatened than a character would be be risk to themselves. So they will act, but the means of action arent one-for-one; rpg play is a negotiation between player and DM, and if the player keeps asking for means and the DM gives them nothing, the negotiation (and the game) collapses. This scenario, but as described, is perfect for a game where the players are negotiating for story value, like in FATE, where the GM could stack the deck to ensure the players fail, but will have to reward them with story options later. On the same hand, it loses the visceral feeling when the players have consented to you 'robbing them'. The value of games not like FATE, are that player and character motivations are tied, vice player and DM. If you wanted to maximize that feeling, the DM needs time with the players to establish risk (less likely to take risks with a 6mo old character than a new one) and to create the situation (illusory or not) that player action or dice fiat caused the situation--by setting up preemptive situations that in the moment the players fail to realise but afterwards connect to the action against them so that they sense their failure is justified. TLDR, the DM skipped the foreplay.
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gradenko_2000 posted:yeah but is it BESM or BESM d20, because obviously the latter is better The only d20 game with a high school student character class.
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Kai Tave posted:Ettin spent so much time wondering if he could that he never stopped to ask himself if he should. Ettin spent so much time shitposting on twitter that he has become the shitpost.
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ProfessorCirno posted:I, for one, am glad that our local moderator is dedicated to telling the harsh truths. Ettin certainly embraced the madness part of March Madness.
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fr0id posted:What are some cool and lesser-known sci-fi rpg systems? I'm thinking sci-fi as in traveling around in space and dealing with different planets. By lesser-known, I mean stuff other than Eclipse Phase, Warhammer 40k, Starfinder, etc. Stuff like spellbound kingdoms or shadow of the demon lord look really cool, but I'd like something with a sci-fi setting. Coriolis.
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shadowrun losing in the first round is ample evidence that ettin faked that bracket 
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I appreciate that Synnibarr, our industry's most powerful vision of humanity's future, has its rightful place in the sci-fi bracket
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I don't know what's more offensive, BESM winning or rifts being the runner up.
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Is BESM worth reading if I know nothing about anime or manga? It gets mentioned a lot.
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It is a game, where, from what I understand, it is easier to build a world destroying superhuman in a game about Highschool track, than it would be in a Dragonball Z game.
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BESM is basically a universal system with a focus on anime. The best part is probably how skills can cost differently depending on what genre you're going for. But at this point, if I want to play a game about a high school tennis team, I will probably go with a more narrative system. BESM is also not really balanced at all.
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All I know about BESM is a friend of mine played in a game once where he made a mecha pilot complete with mecha, and his other half made a character based on some tennis manga (Prince of Tennis?) -- and whose serve could one-shot the giant robot.
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Well, I mean, don't all systems have a linear mech pilot, quadratic tennis champ problem at some level?
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Subjunctive posted:Is BESM worth reading if I know nothing about anime or manga? It gets mentioned a lot. If you want a universal RPG with an anime spin you're better off checking out OVA.
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