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DariusLikewise posted:https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/979338278628462593 Funny how retail, manufacturing, and finance can all see growth and yet the economy as a whole still contracts due to decline in oil, resource extraction, and real estate. It's almost like our economy has been hollowed out and is completely reliant on exporting raw resources and inflating a housing bubble.
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DariusLikewise posted:The Liberals Budget Bill is a 556-page omnibus bill That is quite the allegation, what are they trying to pass through alongside the budget?
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DariusLikewise posted:The Liberals Budget Bill is a 556-page omnibus bill  reminder to all liberal voters that the liberals are garbage and literally nothing they say during an election campaign can be trusted
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Mar 29, 2018 16:01
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Risky Bisquick posted:That is quite the allegation, what are they trying to pass through alongside the budget? There's no way I'm reading through that whole thing, I'll wait for a parliament reporter to go through it but the first two budgets the Liberals tabled broke down as follows quote:For the Liberal's first two budgets, the implementation bills were tabled in two parts.
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Mar 29, 2018 16:03
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CBC radio and CBC journalism (at all levels) are a treasure that should be defended from the Capitalist barbarian hordes. I don't care about CBC TV.
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Mar 29, 2018 16:05
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Reince Penis posted:Super happy to see people defending the right wing meme of government spending as vote buying. Do you guys think taxes are theft too? If you’re just giving money to a certain set of people, that’s what it is. It’s like Ralph-bucks, but just for olds. It would be better to invest in services that help seniors live independently, like good transit and more options to receive healthcare services at home.
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Mar 29, 2018 16:27
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"There's no such thing as society." - Margaret Thatcher, also CanPol thread
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Reince Penis posted:Super happy to see people defending the right wing meme of government spending as vote buying. Do you guys think taxes are theft too? they literally giving old people (who have high voter turnout) $750
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Mar 29, 2018 17:44
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RBC posted:they literally giving old people (who have high voter turnout) $750 Yeah, it's not actually fixing any of the problems that make it hard to live alone as a senior. It's largely a waste of money, designed to buy votes. I think obviously we have to spend money to take care of seniors -- we can't just leave them to die -- but this is quite probably the least efficient way to accomplish it that I can possibly think of.
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Mar 29, 2018 17:47
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And not just old people, old people that own houses. They're giving it to the richest
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Mar 29, 2018 18:01
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How come nobody ever tries to buy my vote? I'm not saying it's definitely for sale or anything but I'm a reasonable man, I'll listen to proposals.
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linoleum floors posted:And not just old people, old people that own houses. They're giving it to the richest Wow, I totally missed that. Yeah who does that even help?
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flakeloaf posted:Wow, I totally missed that. Yeah who does that even help? Pensioners that own million dollar houses that everyone is super concerned about driving out of their homes if they raise property taxes.
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Mar 29, 2018 18:08
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There are a lot of old people who own their home from back when such things were cheaper, and retirement has not been kind to them. There are others in an empty house worth a million or more with a take home from their investments and DB pensions than most of us will ever see. I don't mind helping the former but definitely begrudge a handout to the latter.
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linoleum floors posted:And not just old people, old people that own houses. They're giving it to the richest It's just to people that own houses? Jesus, that's really, really bad. I figured it was for any senior not living in some sort of assisted living situation, but if it's specifically house owners that's even loving worse.
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vyelkin posted:
Maaaaaaan. It would be cool if the Liberals and NDP were the top two parties in whatever riding I'm in so that I could pick whichever one was less bullshit (usually not the liberals), but pretty much everywhere I've ever lived (and I think this goes for a lot of Canada) it's always been a two party race between the Conservatives and one of them, so I almost always end up strategically voting for whichever one of the not Conservative parties is closest in competition to em because gently caress em.
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You should give up strategic voting like I have and also dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed. 
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Wistful of Dollars posted:CBC radio and CBC journalism (at all levels) are a treasure that should be defended from the Capitalist barbarian hordes. Well then look out for Doug Ford, cause he's gonna de-fund the CBC. http://pressprogress.ca/ontario-pc-leader-doug-ford-claims-hell-cut-cbc-even-though-cbc-is-not-provincially-funded/ quote:The new leader of Ontario’s PCs thinks he can cut funding for something Ontario doesn’t actually pay for?
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Doug Ford going out of his way to remind everyone that he is a complete loving idiot is surprisingly good for his brand. Nobody who is willing to vote for him will ever see these little fact checks.
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My favourite Doug Ford quote is this http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-budget-2018-doug-ford-kathleen-wynne-1.4597965 quote:"Today's budget includes massive — I repeat, massive — tax hikes," Ford said. "I'm not going to go after 1.8 million people and increase their taxes, charge them $200 more when they're already struggling with the highest hydro rates in North America."
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So hypothetically in his bizarre scenario, 5 adults raking in $650 000 in total would be asked to pay an additional $1 000 between them 
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infernal machines posted:Pensioners that own million dollar houses that everyone is super concerned about driving out of their homes if they raise property taxes. If a bunch of seniors have to sell their homes to recover equity, that could decrease my property values!
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Risky Bisquick posted:So hypothetically in his bizarre scenario, 5 adults raking in $650 000 in total would be asked to pay an additional $1 000 between them Hypothetically they would be asked to pay an extra $7.70 per paycheck, that's clearly back-breaking to the upper-middle-lower class of Ontario
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Risky Bisquick posted:So hypothetically in his bizarre scenario, 5 adults raking in $650 000 in total would be asked to pay an additional $1 000 between them No but you LIBERAL VOTE BUYING is the real scandal, right Canpol  Vote buying is going to be the Hillary's Emails of Ontario 2018.
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Reince Penis posted:No but you LIBERAL VOTE BUYING is the real scandal, right Canpol More than one thing can be a problem at the same time. Why the gently caress are you so dead set on defending a $750 handout to old homeowners?
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Sorry I was using the wrong values. A household making 0.65 million dollars of gross income is being asked to pay one thousand dollars in extra taxes. How will they balance their household budget on the back of such hardship.
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PT6A posted:More than one thing can be a problem at the same time. Why the gently caress are you so dead set on defending a $750 handout to old homeowners? He's dead set on you not calling it vote buying
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PT6A posted:More than one thing can be a problem at the same time. Why the gently caress are you so dead set on defending a $750 handout to old homeowners? Because it's not a scandal it's the talking point of a far right wing party. Y'all should be embarrassed to be defending it.
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Why is this policy any better than when Ralph Klein sent a whole bunch of $400 cheques to Albertans for no reason? It's a waste of money that could be better invested elsewhere. If it's not a scheme to buy votes, then I have no idea what the point is.
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Reince Penis posted:Because it's not a scandal it's the talking point of a far right wing party. Y'all should be embarrassed to be defending it. You're over 75, aren't you.
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Reince Penis posted:Because it's not a scandal it's the talking point of a far right wing party. Y'all should be embarrassed to be defending it. facts are facts, the liberals are poo poo and theyre giving cash to homeowning baby boomers. its loving shameless
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RBC posted:facts are facts, the liberals are poo poo and theyre giving cash to homeowning baby boomers. its loving shameless I mean, when I'm on the same side as the rest of the thread as to how lovely a policy is, it's gotta be heinous, right??? 
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If you criticize anything about this person or her party or policies, the conservatives win. https://twitter.com/Kathleen_Wynne/status/979373559867899908
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RBC posted:facts are facts It's 2018. Facts don't matter if you can make enough people believe whatever you need them to. See: Doug Ford discussion, southern neighbour, etc.
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PT6A posted:Why is this policy any better than when Ralph Klein sent a whole bunch of $400 cheques to Albertans for no reason? Great moments in the history of Alberta politics. Dunno how much the rest of the county paid attention to it/how it overlaps the Canada goon demographic, but growing up under Klein was surreal. Man it was super cool when the party of fiscal responsibility gave away 1.5 billion dollars arbitrarily. My parents put my 400 bucks in my college fund. It almost paid for one course! Definitely a better use than putting it towards fixing some of the poo poo Klein ripped up. Or hell, even doing nothing and putting it in the Heritage fund. It's very difficult to imagine any use for it other than 'throwing it in a pit and burning it' that would have been less effective than what they did with it.
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I always love hearing the story from my dad about how he met Klein stumbling into an elevator in a hotel pissed as gently caress.
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Weird BIAS posted:I always love hearing the story from my dad about how he met Klein stumbling into an elevator in a hotel pissed as gently caress. Every Calgarian of the right age has a drunk Ralph Klein story.
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