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Guy Goodbody posted:If you could point to a first world country that had a thriving black market gun trade, on the scale of alcohol during prohibition or drugs during now, that would be terrific. The US.
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Canemacar posted:The US. Good point, banning the production and legal selling of semi-automatic guns would have an enormous effect on the illegal gun trade inside the US, supply would be drastically cut and prices would shoot up, making them far less available on the black market Goddamn, my plan is like a fractal of upsides, with literally no downsides!
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Mar 29, 2018 23:00
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Guy Goodbody posted:Good point, banning the production and legal selling of semi-automatic guns would have an enormous effect on the illegal gun trade inside the US, supply would be drastically cut and prices would shoot up, making them far less available on the black market "Good point, banning the production and legal selling of I feel like we're going in circles here. I say I don't support gun control because it'll turn out like Prohibition. You say you want to know a country with a black market in guns. I say we already have one. You say this proves we should do Prohibition again. Canemacar has a new favorite as of 23:19 on Mar 29, 2018 |
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Mar 29, 2018 23:16
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oldpainless posted:Hmm yes my friend I totally agree but instead of shooting victims who are dumb it’s rape victims I think are the idiots Victims can be both stupid and not at fault. And that's a false equivalency anyways.
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Mar 29, 2018 23:20
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I like to imagine that it’s harder to build a gun than to make moonshine but I don’t have faith in this hellworld anymore
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Mar 29, 2018 23:26
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Canemacar posted:"Good point, banning the production and legal selling of Prohibition banned all alcohol. My plan only band semi-automatic guns, which I thought I had made quite clear. Also, I asked for a first world country with a black market in guns as extensive as the black market for alcohol during prohibition or drugs during now. Yes, there is a black market in guns in the us, but it's pretty small. I want to be super clear here, because I guess I wasn't before. We should ban all semi-automatic guns. You will still be able to buy guns. Just not semi-auto guns. The onus is on you to prove that people so desperately crave the thrill that only a semi-automatic gun would provide, that a massive black market would spring up to replace legal channels, to the point where there isn't even a noticeable drop in the supply of guns because people just go down to their local black market like they would to Ducks Unlimited now. Please also explain where the guns would come from, because as I said, it would not be legal to manufacture those guns in America.
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Mar 29, 2018 23:27
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fruit on the bottom posted:I like to imagine that its harder to build a gun than to make moonshine but I dont have faith in this hellworld anymore The world will always find new ways to disappoint you. Google zipgun.
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Mar 29, 2018 23:28
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Canemacar posted:The world will always find new ways to disappoint you. I'm losing my poo poo here. I want to ban semi-auto guns. Regular guns would still be legal. If you really think some dude in his garage churning out assault weapons out of scrap is gonna replace the current legitimate gun manufacturers, You have a faith in backyard manufacturing that would make Mao blush.
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Mar 29, 2018 23:30
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There was a prisoner that launched a sharpened piece of wire out of a pen tube that pierced a prison guard's face shield. People can make guns out of anything. They're like the bongs of murder devices.
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Mar 29, 2018 23:32
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hawowanlawow posted:barbeque sauce is gross I like the barbeque flavor when its on something that was actually cooked on a grill. It really needs that smoky carmelization and bit of burntness that cooking on a fire provides. BBQ chips and anything else flavored like that is gross to me
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Mar 29, 2018 23:35
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Canemacar posted:"Good point, banning the production and legal selling of
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Mar 29, 2018 23:37
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Guy Goodbody posted:Prohibition banned all alcohol. My plan only band semi-automatic guns, which I thought I had made quite clear. Also, I asked for a first world country with a black market in guns as extensive as the black market for alcohol during prohibition or drugs during now. Yes, there is a black market in guns in the us, but it's pretty small. Couple things: 1: Prohibition didn't ban all alcohol. Aside from "medicinal" alcohol, sacramental wines, and it's industrial uses; you could also make your own wine or beer at home. People weren't satisfied with that just as I don't think they'll be satisfied with a semi-auto ban. 2: The arms trade in the US isn't exactly small. The main interstate along the eastern seaboard is called the Iron Pipeline for a reason. 3: Where *wouldn't* the guns come from? You can make fully automatic guns in any metalshop. That's why the Kalashnikov is so popular around the world; you can buy them for under $100 in some countries. And that's not counting any sort of zipgun; basically the "bathtub gin" of guns. Canemacar has a new favorite as of 23:46 on Mar 29, 2018 |
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Mar 29, 2018 23:43
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Canemacar posted:Couple things: this is very tiring 1: My plan still allows completely legal sales of regular guns. No special allowances necessary like were needed for medicinal or sacramental alcohol. You could just walk into a store and buy them, you wouldn't need to make them at home. 2: OK, so we've gone from "as big as the current drug trade" to "n[o]t exactly small" Great, That's progress. Now I want you to consider how the arms trade would be effected by the shutting down of all legal semi-auto gun manufacturing in the US. I think, it would be negatively effected, and it would become much harder to obtain a gun. 3: OK, now this is the really important point, and I think we're gonna need to put all of our brain power on it. Do you think that there would be fewer guns manufactured in secret metalshops than there are currently being manufactured in the open legally in big gun factories? Don't answer right away, think on it. Roll the idea around in your brain for awhile. Large manufactures legally operating in the open in massive factories and legally ordering materials, small illegal operations operating under the radar. Remember that demand isn't going to be as high as you think, because regular guns will still be legal. They'll only be serving clientele who for whatever reason want an illegal semi-auto gun because they aren't satisfied with regular guns. So add that to your brain pan, people who want to legally purchase a gun vs people who want to illegally purchase a gun. think on it, really do. And jesus christ shut up about zipguns, you loving moron. I have explained over and over again that I would only ban semi-automatic guns. People would sitll be able to buy regular guns, with even fewer restrictions than exist now. Stop bringing up zipguns, jesus christ.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:03
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Canemacar posted:Couple things: A little point on that one; prohibition did even prohibit making it for personal use. quote:After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all the territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited. It was in fact illegal to make it for yourself. But like tends to happen with that sort of thing most people who did found ways around it or just didn't get caught because how are you going to police that? There were things like people buying grape juice but letting it ferment but being all "well I just forgot it was in the back of the cupboard, you know how it is" if they got caught. Making it yourself was still counted as "manufacture." There were obvious exceptions like sacramental wine, industrial alcohols, and medicinal use. Alcohol laws work right now because they regulate it in the variety of ways; we know people are going to drink so as long as you're not stupid about it it's fine to do. Like if you want to get ragingly drunk then go for it but keep yourself away from cars and heavy equipment.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:04
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I think I understand now. To stop school shootings, we must ban grapes.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:13
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Guy Goodbody posted:this is very tiring You know what's tiring? Talking to an rear end in a top hat. You've been acting like a dick the entire time I've talked to you and now you're just name calling. People are allowed to disagree with you. Grow the gently caress up and deal with it.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:14
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A little point on that one; prohibition did even prohibit making it for personal use. I looked it up when I wrote that because I couldn't remember the details. But it looks like I was wrong about the beer. Sort of. From wikipedia: "While the manufacture, importation, sale, and transport of alcohol was illegal in the United States, Section 29 of the Volstead Act allowed wine and cider to be made from fruit at home, but not beer. Up to 200 gallons of wine and cider per year could be made" "Section 29 of the Act allowed 200 gallons (the equivalent of about 1000 750 ml bottles) of "non-intoxicating cider and fruit juice" to be made each year at home.[14] Initially "intoxicating" was defined as anything more than 0.5%,[15] but the Bureau of Internal Revenue soon struck that down[16] and this effectively legalized home wine-making. For beer, however, the 0.5% limit remained until 1933." Canemacar has a new favorite as of 00:43 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Mar 30, 2018 00:19
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fruit on the bottom posted:I think I understand now. To stop school shootings, we must ban grapes. And raisins. You can't pick and choose which grapes to ban. The only way to affect change is through a 100% comprehensive ban on all berries.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:27
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Solice Kirsk posted:And raisins. You can't pick and choose which grapes to ban. The only way to affect change is through a 100% comprehensive ban on all berries. You can have my strawberries when you pry them from my sticky, juice-covered hands.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:31
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Canemacar posted:You can have my strawberries when you pry them from my sticky, juice-covered hands. You son of a bitch. You goddamned son of a bitch. Strawberries aren't real berries, idiot. You goddamned idiot son of a bitch. Apologize to everyone in this thread for spreading your lies.
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Mar 30, 2018 01:05
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I love how the "let's just ban guns" crowd conveniently forgets we're the largest weapons manufacturer in the world, and that our economy partially depends on that industry.
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Mar 30, 2018 01:25
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MizPiz posted:I love how the "let's just ban slavery" crowd conveniently forgets we're the largest cotton exporter in the world, and that our economy partially depends on that industry. Or, more relevant to my country MizPiz posted:I love how the "let's just ban fossil fuels" crowd conveniently forgets we're the largest coal exporter in the world, and that our economy partially depends on that industry.
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Mar 30, 2018 02:01
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Warhammer, 40k especially, loving suuuuuuuuuuucks
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Mar 30, 2018 02:26
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I think in 50 years drinking alcohol the way we do now will be seen by young people as a crazy risk, like the way we react to old people talking about how they never wore seatbelts or bike helmets.
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Mar 30, 2018 03:52
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Same but with eating meat
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Olive! posted:Warhammer, 40k especially, loving suuuuuuuuuuucks  but I like it on that score. It both scratches the itch of dumb poo poo I liked when I was 13 while simultaneously being a total mockery of said dumb poo poo.
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Mar 30, 2018 04:09
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Or, more relevant to my country By the mid 19 century, slavery as it was practiced in the south was extremely ineffecient and literally only continued to maintain the social order it created. Also, coal today is pretty much a deader industry than slavery (which is alive and well, even in this country). If you wanted to use a real example, you should've gone with oil, which, even though it is basically a dying industry, we depend on it even more than we do the arms trade. MizPiz has a new favorite as of 04:37 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Mar 30, 2018 04:32
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A lot of Northern European cuisine is actually pretty gosh darn good. All those different types of beers certainly count as cuisine. So do all those cheeses and sausages they got up there. And the desserts.
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Mar 30, 2018 05:13
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MizPiz posted:Also, coal today is pretty much a deader industry than slavery (which is alive and well, even in this country). If you wanted to use a real example, you should've gone with oil, which, even though it is basically a dying industry, we depend on it even more than we do the arms trade. I'm not sure why you call it a dead industry, even if it'd be good if a chunk of it did die. Doctor Spaceman has a new favorite as of 05:24 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Mar 30, 2018 05:20
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Blue Star posted:A lot of Northern European cuisine is actually pretty gosh darn good. All those different types of beers certainly count as cuisine. So do all those cheeses and sausages they got up there. And the desserts. They do some weird things with fish but otherwise I agree. Most Norwegian food I had was really good. The dried fish that was basically everywhere though I just didn't get, but I could see how it might grow on me if I was surrounded by it.
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Mar 30, 2018 07:33
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yeah I eat rear end posted:They do some weird things with fish but otherwise I agree. Most Norwegian food I had was really good. The dried fish that was basically everywhere though I just didn't get, but I could see how it might grow on me if I was surrounded by it.
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Mar 30, 2018 07:46
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Dried fish really isn't that common, at least it Finland. Much less common than wet fish, like pickled herring, anyway.
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Mar 30, 2018 07:48
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mind the walrus posted:How was the dried fish spiced? It just tasted salty. I'm sure there were other varieties with different spices but I didn't try them. also doverhog I was up in the islands in northern norway, maybe it's mostly local to that area but there were cod drying racks pretty much everywhere and it seemed to be a pretty popular snack.
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Mar 30, 2018 07:53
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Canemacar posted:I thought it was clear I don't support gun control. I don't think it's an effective solution anymore than Prohibition stopped people from drinking or the War on Drugs stopped people from using drugs. You can't stop people, says a person in the only country this ever happens.
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Mar 30, 2018 08:38
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MizPiz posted:I love how the "let's just ban guns" crowd conveniently forgets we're the largest weapons manufacturer in the world, and that our economy partially depends on that industry. We can't close down the Cyanide Candy factory, think of the unemployment rates!
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Mar 30, 2018 08:39
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We should encourage smoking again because the population is getting too large. Baby boomers are too healthy and will live forever, sucking on the teat of social security. Give the boomers more guns.
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Mar 30, 2018 09:24
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Canemacar posted:"Good point, banning the production and legal selling of Hey good point, prohibition didn't stop alcohol trade but you know what it did do it lowered the amount of people killed by alcoholism by a lot. country kinda like banning some guns won't end gun trade but it might lower the mass shooting epidemic. i mean maybe everyone will start making bathtub AK's and selling them in seedy underground shooteasies
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Mar 30, 2018 09:32
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yeah I eat rear end posted:It just tasted salty. I'm sure there were other varieties with different spices but I didn't try them. Yeah makes sense, northern Norway is gonna be different.
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Mar 30, 2018 09:33
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Toronto is the least interesting and most generic Big City on the planet. That doesn't make it a bad place to live, it gets good stuff by virtue of being Big, but compared to any other city it's just... bleh. The CN Tower shouldn't be considered a tourist attraction because it reveals to all how all of Toronto is a dull, grey nothingscape. Also, if goons ever get declared Undesireables, yeah I eat rear end is gonna be the head kapo.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Toronto is the least interesting and most generic Big City on the planet. That doesn't make it a bad place to live, it gets good stuff by virtue of being Big, but compared to any other city it's just... bleh. wrong, that honor is a four way tie between Dallas, Phoenix, Houston, and Atlanta
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