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StandardVC10 posted:Wait, you actually like the Disco Hell level of Tartarus? I have this tendency to like things that are good, yes.  and occasionally things that arent but thats not the point here
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Alice is nice, but I like the iteration where she has suicide teddie bears instead of card soldiers more.  Death has some of the coolest persona. Mot, Pale Rider, and Thanatos are pretty rad too. Orcs and Ostriches posted:Background texture aside, the music also changes each tier. Each section adds a bit more to the melody. I think I skipped a few of his lectures towards the end, but I definitely waited longer than I did for the others.
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Mar 28, 2018 11:49
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Dragonatrix posted:I've alluded to it before (like maybe twice but hey), but I've been in a Persona tabletop before. It used Marvel Heroics and Personae were basically just actual Jojo Stands. Like, for real, rather than the "friendly allusions" that they are now. I opted to be the Navigator because I like playing support roles and I even got to do both that and do fighting stuff before Persona 5 came out.  poo poo I miss tradgames
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Mar 29, 2018 11:57
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So, apparently the site is having trouble posting/editing large, uh, posts right now. 'Til that's fixed, we'll just go with the test poster for the time being (remember to thank Baldurk for being rad!):
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Dragonatrix posted:So, apparently the site is having trouble posting/editing large, uh, posts right now. 'Til that's fixed, we'll just go with the test poster for the time being (remember to thank Baldurk for being rad!): I know that street. There is a delicious Mochi place right around the corner
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Mar 30, 2018 15:36
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Yukari, Koromaru
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Mar 30, 2018 15:51
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Time for a team of Dog-bot.
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Mar 30, 2018 16:16
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Dragonatrix posted:You're a little different when you're around your dormmates. I'm probably reading too much into this but I thought this was a reference to Makoto using different personas to hang out with different people. It's never quite explained how it works, is it?
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Mar 30, 2018 18:33
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Koromaru and whoever I like that you have the option to save before the 'minigame' because the outcome clearly has a lasting and serious impact for your playthrough.
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Mar 30, 2018 20:03
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Tendronai posted:Time for a team of Dog-bot.
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Mar 30, 2018 20:14
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You totally missed it, but the photo club guy and the school council guy are hanging out together in one of the rooms at the inn. I remember it specifically because I was wishing the game would have more moments of your Social Links hanging out independently of Makoto. Also, Ken and Aigis.
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Mar 30, 2018 23:01
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Ken and Akihiko, because they've both been a bit neglected.
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Mar 30, 2018 23:27
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Let's go with Mitsuru so we can see her powered up Persona in action, and Ken, because Shinji didn't save his life just for us to permanently sideline the kid.
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Mitsuru because she just got an upgrade, and dog because dog.
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Mar 31, 2018 02:46
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Mar 31, 2018 04:08
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Mitsuru and Ken seems like a reasonably well-balanced team. Well, for certain values of "balanced" anyway. Also Aigis definitely has the best dialog for dressing you down if you fail the hot springs minigame.
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Koromaru and Akihiko, because they're generalists that don't do super well, so let's use them for the easy content.
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Mitsuru, Aigis, Akihiko because why are you people letting Ken get up off the bench? 
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Slaan posted:Mitsuru, Aigis, Akihiko because why are you people letting Ken get up off the bench? Because I'm sick of people benching him out of spite.
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It really is weird how Junpei keeps flipping between being a horndog and caring for Chidori. I guess you could rationalize it as him being a teenage boy, thought it could just be the writers not communicating with each other very well. Also, voting for Ken and Koromaru. The two have been left alone in the dorm for a few days now and could probably use a workout in Tartarus.
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W.T. Fits posted:Because I'm sick of people benching him out of spite. I say keep him off the front lines as little kids really shouldn't be running around with spears and fighting shadows.
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Hunt11 posted:I say keep him off the front lines as little kids really shouldn't be running around with spears and fighting shadows. You say that like you assume the shadows we encounter will survive long enough for them to actually do anything in combat.
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Mar 31, 2018 16:14
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Mitsuru and Aigis Nobody should have to use Ken.
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Mar 31, 2018 17:11
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Since it's very possible now, let's take a bit of a detour while we have the have the chance. Nothing too major, just gonna beat the first of... many optional bosses. The rest are all end-game or NG+ only, so it's nice that we can scratch one off the list now:
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Mar 31, 2018 23:43
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That is the cruelest April Fool's joke I have ever seen.
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Pretty similar to the strategy I used to beat this boss - Makarakarn, Marakukaja/Tarunda, Mediarahan every turn and chip him to death. Granted, I was about 20 levels higher when I did this, so mine isn't quite as impressive. Booooooo!
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Apr 1, 2018 00:26
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I'm not okay with the subtext line still being there for this Social Link. 
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Mitsuru and Aigis  Hobgoblin2099 posted:I'm not okay with the subtext line still being there for this Social Link.
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ajkalan posted:Pretty similar to the strategy I used to beat this boss - Makarakarn, Marakukaja/Tarunda, Mediarahan every turn and chip him to death. Granted, I was about 20 levels higher when I did this, so mine isn't quite as impressive. I thought doing something like this would get the reaper to flip out and start spamming megidolans until you died?
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Hunt11 posted:I thought doing something like this would get the reaper to flip out and start spamming megidolans until you died? It does, which is why I waited until I was high enough level to consistently survive the Almighty spam. Never said it was a sophisticated strategy 
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Dragonatrix posted:Since it's very possible now, let's take a bit of a detour while we have the have the chance. Nothing too major, just gonna beat the first of... many optional bosses. The rest are all end-game or NG+ only, so it's nice that we can scratch one off the list now: 
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If only Aigis could say this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTfbstFoj30
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FeMC goes to jail at the end of the game, right?
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Kotone no! Bad!  It's perfectly normal for a kid Ken's age to have a crush on someone Kotone's age. No issue there. Definitely shouldn't be an option to respond to that though.
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 Maya's Theme So, let's really talk about the Reaper for a second here. We did this a bit way, way, waaaaay back when we first entered Tartarus for real, but this is a little more focused than "he will kill you." See, we CAN take him at this point.  It's not the most elegant solution, but after I spent a couple hours grinding, Odin hit level 65 and learned one of the best passive skills in the game. Spell Master is an insanely good skill that halves the SP cost of spells that Makoto casts with that Persona. Notably this includes Fusion Spells (keep that nugget tucked away in the back of your mind for later). He also learns Thunder Reign at level 63 which is unique to him, outside of fusion inheritance. I hope you remember what that does. Elec Amp is nice, but not required for this. Nothing else here is, for that matter. The Charges are actually even outright detrimental if we use them. Some kind of Wind resistance wouldn't go amiss, just in case, though. Mass Destruction (Reincarnation)   So, if you're playing on Normal or Easy you have an inherently much easier time. You won't get your own advantage, but Hard Mode gives enemies that are even remotely aware of you advantage. It's a really bad decision, especially when you smack 'em in the face and they get the first turn regardless.  This presents a bit of a problem right out the bat. See, The Reaper is a bit of a rarity in that he's level 99. He has 5000 HP (up from 4444 in Vanilla), 12000 SP (up from 9999 in Vanilla), and stats designed to just murder you. 66 Strength, Endurance and Luck are his lower ones. His Magic and Agility are 99. Just to make things a bit worse, since he counts as a boss, his Expel and Curse resists are Null of course. Slash, Strike, Pierce, Fire, Ice, Elec and Wind are all resisted. Every last one. Yay.   Since the Reaper gets to do things, let's see what he CAN do. Naturally, he has all four single target Dynes.  He's fairly aware of our elemental resistances too, so he doesn't whiff with these. If he's busting one out, he's aiming explicitly at a weakness just for good measure.  He can also sometimes just not care and bust out any of the four Ma-dynes, just to hurt everyone. This isn't actually as bad as it sounds, since the MT spells have slightly lower power and accuracy than the ST equivalents (which is why your party members don't like using them all that much sometimes). ...It's still pretty fuckin' bad though.  In an ideal world, he'll use his first move to focus on removing a resistance instead. This is not guaranteed, of course, so if he doesn't do that and instead opts to just murder someone (he quite liked to kill Junpei... or Makoto... on my end), you could just run away, heal up and try again. Except on Hard when you basically need Trafuri in some way to succeed at escaping. Welp!  He also has both flavours of instant death. Just Hamaon/Mudoon, thankfully. The Reaper does not have Samsara or Die For Me! which sounds like an odd mercy, but they're special, unique spells so only Makoto will ever get them.  Now, like I said before, he's only fairly aware of our elemental resistances. That does not extend to Expel and Curse, which he will gladly throw at anyone.  Since he has 99 Magic, he does quite like his spells but he has some physical skills he can bust out every now and then too. Myriad Arrows is a multi-target skill that hits 1d2 times. It has a base power of 140, has an 87% accuracy and a 3% crit rate. It's thoroughly okay, and yet it remains the second strongest multi-target Pierce skill because there's only 3. This isn't even an exhaustive list of what he can do by the way. There's some other spells he has but he doesn't like using them super often.  So, uh, remember how he likes casting spells? And isn't immune to anything that isn't instant death? Let's take advantage of that. This game's pretty nice about letting you do that, after all.  .....Except here. The Reaper is the first of a few dudes who look at that mirror and tell you to gently caress off. Megidolaon is the third weakest Almighty spell with 600 base power (...yes, really) but remember how the Reaper is level 99? And has 99 Magic?  Yeah, it still loving ends us right now. Not doin' that then! ...At least not right now. Later on the level scaling on damage makes it very survivable.  But, here's a fun quirk of doing the fight early. The turn order is the second enemy to contend with. If you watch the FES boss videos, you've probably noticed I check it at the start of almost all of them. It's not super critical for the most part (it just lets me know what to expect, really) but here it matters. If the Reaper's second, like he is here, then welp. Time to try again. Next on Makoto is super-misleading, by the way. That just means its currently his turn. Yeah, it's not the clearest thing.  In an ideal world, he'll be 5th, but 4th is... fine. It's not great, but it's workable.  Just gonna set everyone to Knock Down. I'm including Junpei here, because the AI is really bad in this kinda scenario. It'll see that the Laevateinn has the highest base power out of all his options, and that every element is resisted, and so opt to use basic attacks. Blade of Fury, if it hits, will outdamage the Laevateinn by a not-insignificant amount considering the damage we do is pretty small. Also, the Elemental Attack weapons like the Laevateinn, Gae Bolg, Mjolnir etc. cannot crit. Don't think I mentioned that before. It's another odd little quirk that normally doesn't matter, but it's exactly why you don't want to use them here. Makoto can have one equipped, if you want, but if you're being smart and optimal, no one else will.  So, we want to use Thunder Reign on Makoto's turns. We want to use nothing else, ever. The damage isn't great, but the 100% Shock is what makes it a really good skill in general, of course.  Thunder Call isn't as viable, because it costs more at this point (over 40SP a pop) and the damage is a little less than Reign. Since Spell Master makes Thunder Reign cost 16 SP a turn, we can actually theoretically win. Without it, its cost of 32 is... very untenable. We don't really have the chance to use a Precious Egg or any other SP restoring item mid-battle without that being a giant roll of the dice. He MIGHT cast an elemental Break, or he might just instantly kill  Shock is what we want for this fight over any other ailment because it can be inflicted, and it gurantees crits. Fear would be super ideal, but well... of course that doesn't work here. This isn't Persona 5; ain't no getting an insta-kill on any Reapers here.  Checking the turn order lets us know that it goes Ken > Koromaru > Reaper, so after Ken knocks the Reaper on his rear end, we CAN pull out an AOA.  ...But the Reaper is level 99. Even though 66 Endurance is not that much compared to our general Strength and the power of our equipped weapons, the level disparity scales the damage down. Remember, this is Almighty elemental so he does not resist it and yet it still does damage on par with (Tarukaja/Boost/Amp) Thunder Reign. But, hey, its sorta technically free so still definitely take it.  Not for Koromaru, though. He can use his One More to just wait. Purely because the Reaper is next.  That forces the Reaper to use his turn to remove Knock Down. It's nice that he's not immune to that, for that matter. It wouldn't be that out there (and we've even seen it before; Arcana Strength was immune to it).  Just, uh, just hope that Thunder Reign doesn't miss. It might not be a big deal.  Or it might just be an instant game over, depending on entirely what the Reaper wants to do. But, yeah, that's how you kill the Reaper early. It is slow, boring and emphatically not worth it. There's no reason to do it at this point other than to prove you can exploit a simple loop of knocking him on rear end and making him waste his turn getting up. There's no special bonus prize for proving that you can grind past the point of it being fun. Which is why I seem to keep on doing it. Fortunately(?), this isn't canon so Odin does not have these fun toys yet back in the real world. There's other, less tedious, ways to fight this guy but we're nowhere near pulling them off right now. This isn't the last time we're gonna see our good ol' pal, Death The Reaper. Next time it'll be for real, don't worry!
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Dragonatrix posted:Notably this includes Fusion Spells (keep that nugget tucked away in the back of your mind for later). Oh poo poo, does this mean what I think it means? Let's cast Armageddon twice! 
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So, let's get back to actual things, now that we've had a bit of fun. We finally start The Empress S.Link, even! Hurray! 88. 11/21/09 - 11/22/09 
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