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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I am extremely happy to hear that every tournament isn't just space marines winning over and over Space Marines are super popular but have never been good.
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Corrode posted:Space Marines are super popular but have never been good. That is not what I recall from a bajillion years ago but I will trust you on this Hra Mormo posted:Honestly armies relying on Keyword Aeldari, Imperium or Chaos just need to get dunked on super hard in general from an armybuilding perspective that doesn't touch any of the armies used on their own. You'd have to make some concessions for the various stupid microfactions reliant on Imperium but I guess you could just do that with a special rule like ignore these models for purposes of Imperium-as-only-keyword related penalties. Yeah I'm surprised such broad keywords are even allowed at tournaments.
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Mar 30, 2018 18:22
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Corrode posted:Null Zone is exclusive to SM, short ranged and hard to cast, on an expensive platform. It has severe limitations. Its an aura that doesn't suddenly stop working the second a guardsman decides to take a shot is the thing I was trying to say. edit: on the same thought, weirdly enough I think one of the only debuff powers that specify it only works when interacting with specific units is that one Harlequin power. Der Waffle Mous fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Mar 30, 2018 18:33
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Zuul the Cat posted:Honestly, the DE release feels like what the entirety of 8th should have been. Lots of armies got their codex that were simply copy/pasted from their older ones (Space Marines, AdMech, Grey Knights) and while stratagems are strong and offer cool stuff, this is the first codex that's been teased that feels like how the army is depicted in the books will be how it plays on the table. My guess is that they looked at armies that were crazy good in 7thed and decided to go conservative with their 8ed codexes, since even a new edition drags a lot of Character hanger-ons with it. Tau, GK, and Marines were some of the best 7ed armies and few competitive armies that could actually be ran as armies and not, you know, "3 flyrants" or "5 daemon princes".
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Mar 30, 2018 18:35
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Also I've never seen a GK army that wasn't boring and tedious both visually and gamewise so their codex can sit 'n spin for all I care 
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Mar 30, 2018 18:41
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Grey Knights were considered good back in 7th? Their only viable build was to spam Dreadknights and even that seemed somewhat mediocre.
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Mar 30, 2018 18:44
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The only time GK were good were the days of the Mat Ward codex. And even then it was mostly because of how rending worked and having access to all the weird inquisition toys.
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Mar 30, 2018 18:48
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Grey Knights, Custodes, and Deathwatch should be exactly the kind of factions that exist to get a single unit or two mixed into Imperial Soup armies. The travesty is not that GK/DW don't have strong armies--their armies should be a novelty--but that their 1-2 core units aren't worth taking in larger imperial/SM armies. and I say this as someone with a full Deathwatch army
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Mar 30, 2018 18:54
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Corrode posted:Space Marines are super popular but have never been good. Battle Company last edition
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Mar 30, 2018 18:54
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mango sentinel posted:Battle Company last edition I missed 7th ed but my understanding was that Taudar, Daemons and Necrons were the power armies. I could be wrong, in my mind we've transitioned seamlessly from 5th to 8th.
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Mar 30, 2018 18:57
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mango sentinel posted:Battle Company last edition I mean, that was less because your stuff was good on its own and more because you had like an extra several hundred points of it for ~reasons~.
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Mar 30, 2018 19:02
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I am extremely happy to hear that every tournament isn't just space marines winning over and over This really hasn’t been the case for an awfully long time. Most tournaments are actually pretty varied and there’s occasional surprise wins from unique builds. “Imperial Soup” gets a lot of play but that’s typically Astra Militarum with a smattering of Astartes. Space Marines have been strong from time to time and are obviously the most popular/iconic, but they generally don’t dominate tournament play.
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Mar 30, 2018 19:06
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Quick question for the thread - does anyone know if any of the audiobook subscription services like audible have black library audiobooks on them? I’d quite like to gradually consume some of the horus heresy stuff, and have a lot of painting planned for the next month (even more if I end up having to speed paint 40 drukari models by the end of May), but I looked at their headline audiobook prices and hooooly crap that’s a lot of money.
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Mar 30, 2018 19:20
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One_Wing posted:Quick question for the thread - does anyone know if any of the audiobook subscription services like audible have black library audiobooks on them? I’d quite like to gradually consume some of the horus heresy stuff, and have a lot of painting planned for the next month (even more if I end up having to speed paint 40 drukari models by the end of May), but I looked at their headline audiobook prices and hooooly crap that’s a lot of money. They recently switched over to Audible and the monthly subscriber credits work for the Black Library books.
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Mar 30, 2018 19:31
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I'm looking deeply at AdMech. I've always loved their models, and now ebay is full of cheap Skitarii. Are they merely just decent or are they the dumpster fire I've been led to believe?
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Mar 30, 2018 19:31
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One_Wing posted:Quick question for the thread - does anyone know if any of the audiobook subscription services like audible have black library audiobooks on them? I’d quite like to gradually consume some of the horus heresy stuff, and have a lot of painting planned for the next month (even more if I end up having to speed paint 40 drukari models by the end of May), but I looked at their headline audiobook prices and hooooly crap that’s a lot of money. Audible definitely does, though I'd absolutely advocate buying the credits since you'll be paying a lot more otherwise. Most of the HH books on Audible run $25 or so, but you can get 3 credits for $36. I've listened to Eisenhorn and the first 10 HH books that way. Black Library prices were insane the one time I went there ($54 for Tales of Heresy, decided I didn't need to listen to it that badly)
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Mar 30, 2018 19:35
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One_Wing posted:Quick question for the thread - does anyone know if any of the audiobook subscription services like audible have black library audiobooks on them? I’d quite like to gradually consume some of the horus heresy stuff, and have a lot of painting planned for the next month (even more if I end up having to speed paint 40 drukari models by the end of May), but I looked at their headline audiobook prices and hooooly crap that’s a lot of money. Schadenboner posted:They recently switched over to Audible and the monthly subscriber credits work for the Black Library books. Just know that you cant buy more credits until a couple of months in so until that you'll be stuck at 1 book for the month unless you pay the insane price.
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Mar 30, 2018 19:36
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I'm looking deeply at AdMech. I've always loved their models, and now ebay is full of cheap Skitarii. Ad Mech aren't top tier but they're not garbage either. Good solid army. Their major problem is their limited unit selection, which leads to them being quite samey (although Thanqol has some ideas on them I've not really considered which might give a very different playstyle).
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Mar 30, 2018 19:40
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How are ruststalkers, because those not-eversors are one of my favorite mechanicum not-robot models.
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Mar 30, 2018 19:48
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Corrode posted:Ad Mech aren't top tier but they're not garbage either. Good solid army. Their major problem is their limited unit selection, which leads to them being quite samey (although Thanqol has some ideas on them I've not really considered which might give a very different playstyle). Someone did the math and they were top quintile at Adepticon IIRC. They're a solid army.
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NovemberMike posted:Someone did the math and they were top quintile at Adepticon IIRC. They're a solid army. What was the top player composition %? I imagine it's healthily mixed just by virtue of the Allies system. Obviously Tyranids, Imperium, and Chaos forces are pretty high up, but I doubt Eldar or Tau did too bad either. Orks are in dire shape.
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Mar 30, 2018 20:00
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Neurolimal posted:How are ruststalkers, because those not-eversors are one of my favorite mechanicum not-robot models. Way easier to kill than you'd expect for 2W models and their CC is very swingy. Infiltrators fare better but more because their 5-shot uzis synergize with certain stratagems and not their awesome taser goads they'll never actually get to use in close combat.
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Neurolimal posted:What was the top player composition %? I imagine it's healthily mixed just by virtue of the Allies system. Obviously Tyranids, Imperium, and Chaos forces are pretty high up, but I doubt Eldar or Tau did too bad either. Orks are in dire shape. http://fieldoffiregaming.com/best-armies-at-adepticon-singles-2018/ It's going by battle points so take that as you will. A lot of the popular imperium armies were probably also brought down by mediocre players playing them.
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Mar 30, 2018 20:08
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Can I just go ahead and sub out any Dragoons I was considering for Warglaives? They seem to essentially be mightier versions with a little more punch and less real-world cost and since AdMech desperately need intercepting melee units it seemed like a good way to go. I love the Dragoon models but not the price. 
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Mar 30, 2018 20:10
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I'm curious what the Adeptus Ministorum guy brought.
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What are the bottom tier armies? Index armies and GK?
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Dawgstar posted:It gives me a bit of hope that Orks will be really cool when they finally drop. I think what the Dark Eldar codex really shows is that whoever wrote it was passionate about the faction and bringing them to life in the game in a way that's fun and powerful. That's really what Orks need... for some reason they keep putting someone on them who doesn't care about the faction
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:What are the bottom tier armies? Index armies and GK? Looks like Orks, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Dark Elves and Necrons. So yeah.
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One_Wing posted:I am open mouthed at how preposterously broken that strategem is. I legitimately thought “no countering strategems” was a deliberate design choice they were making. The number of potentially uses is drat near infinite, and it will say “3CP - win the game” far too often. Even shutting off a command re-roll will often be clutch - imagine turning off a reroll for Guilleman or Celestine’s res? Or more hilariously, opponent planning on using insane bravery to keep that blob of 20 Necron warriors you whittles down to 5 in the game? All aboard the nope train. This post made me preorder the deldar codex and buy the old start collecting box.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:This post made me preorder the deldar codex and buy the old start collecting box. It is only fair of me to say that others in the thread are less convinced that it’s busted compared to me, but you do you - I’m certainly going to buy a copy of the book just to see what I can pull off with allied detachments, especially if Dark Reapers do get a nerf and leave a hole in my faction.
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Mar 30, 2018 20:26
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Honestly I'm liking that the reaction to the counter-stratagem is that it should immediately nerfed out of the game rather than doing something like perhaps considering making lists that are not entirely dependent on a game-winning CP spend.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Honestly I'm liking that the reaction to the counter-stratagem is that it should immediately nerfed out of the game rather than doing something like perhaps considering making lists that are not entirely dependent on a game-winning CP spend. Its not even a matter of being dependent on it, but getting stopped part way through setup leaving you critically exposed.
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Artum posted:Its not even a matter of being dependent on it, but getting stopped part way through setup leaving you critically exposed. If you're playing against a DE army with access to this stratagem and still try to make the play without having planned for this eventuality you deserve what happens to you.
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PierreTheMime posted:Can I just go ahead and sub out any Dragoons I was considering for Warglaives? They seem to essentially be mightier versions with a little more punch and less real-world cost and since AdMech desperately need intercepting melee units it seemed like a good way to go. I love the Dragoon models but not the price. Dragoons are 68pts and have a couple of great stratagems which interact with them, Warglaives are 240pts and don't. Dragoons are insanely good for their cost and surprisingly survivable, and a unit of 3 will tear up most things they hit with the +2 to hit stratagem. The models are great but yeah, super expensive. Also fiddly, fragile and hard to transport. But they look great on the table and they're definitely up there in the "Ad Mech weirdness" stakes. TheChirurgeon posted:I think what the Dark Eldar codex really shows is that whoever wrote it was passionate about the faction and bringing them to life in the game in a way that's fun and powerful. That's really what Orks need... for some reason they keep putting someone on them who doesn't care about the faction Yeah this. You can spot the books where they weren't sure where to go with them (Ad Mech, Grey Knights, Tau) and the ones with real advocates in the studio (Guard, Eldar, Nids and now apparently Dark Eldar).
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One_Wing posted:It is only fair of me to say that others in the thread are less convinced that it’s busted compared to me, but you do you - I’m certainly going to buy a copy of the book just to see what I can pull off with allied detachments, especially if Dark Reapers do get a nerf and leave a hole in my faction. I don’t think the stratagem is busted at all, but your histrionics were so delightful it prompted me to spend money.
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Dragoons are the unit I absolutely wish I had more of in 8th edition. but $60cad per model.
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Mar 30, 2018 20:36
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Dragoons are the unit I absolutely wish I had more of in 8th edition. 
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TheChirurgeon posted:I think what the Dark Eldar codex really shows is that whoever wrote it was passionate about the faction and bringing them to life in the game in a way that's fun and powerful. That's really what Orks need... for some reason they keep putting someone on them who doesn't care about the faction It was probably Phil Kelly leading that one. I saw him give a seminar on DE a couple of years after they came out and he was obviously still totally into them.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It was probably Phil Kelly leading that one. I saw him give a seminar on DE a couple of years after they came out and he was obviously still totally into them. Yeah the Dark Eldar are Phil Kelly's baby. He was the credited author on the 5th Edition codex update for them and it was the only 5th edition codex that read like the author was actually passionate about the codex he was making.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Honestly I'm liking that the reaction to the counter-stratagem is that it should immediately nerfed out of the game rather than doing something like perhaps considering making lists that are not entirely dependent on a game-winning CP spend. I'm significantly less chicken little about that strategem that several people in here and I'm still willing to admit that it's going to be completely crippling for a lot of lists. Core faction mechanics are frequently locked behind strategem use and being able to counter them is extremely powerful and honestly feels pretty lovely for the player on the receiving end.
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