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Given the whole debacle behind Medieval Spawn and Angela, Spawn #10 decrying overzealous copyright enforcement is especially hilarious.
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# ? Mar 24, 2018 19:58 |
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Random Stranger posted:FWIW, the void stuff is actually the end of Church and State. While there were a few people going, "Hey, this is kind of creepy," at the time, Sim was the big man in indie comics and so it was generally ignored. I was referring to the Reads issue that you mention later as it triggered a giant response in the comics community and after that point Sim was pretty much on the outside and becoming more and more crazy in his isolation. Cerebus (the character) spends the next few years of the book in a more or less catatonic state while the narrative focuses on Jaka's backstory and paints a very sympathetic picture of her and her husband Rick, who is the polar opposite of Cerebus. Then in Monthers and Daughters/Reads there are in-story conflicting narratives casting doubt on everything from that middle third of the story, culminating in Cerebus 200 when he goes back to the moon and a new all-powerful creator voice (called "Dave" this time) basically goes "yeah the other creator doesn't know what he's talking about, men aren't voids and women aren't lights, and you still have a shot at not dying alone and unmourned" but then Cerebus goes back to Earth and doesn't listen to "Dave" and continues to pine for Jaka even after Rick shows up and goes "hey man you were right about Jaka" and the Light/Void stuff is explicitly reversed so that Women are Void and it is definitely stated that All of the Bad Stuff About Women Before Was Definitely True and the Good Stuff Was Fake and Cerebus does die alone and unmourned and unloved but it's not because he's an rear end in a top hat, it's because the Marxist-Feminist-Homosexualist axis has conquered the world and condemn Cerebus the True Male Hero. Cerebus is a monumental achievement and is incredible on a pure storytelling/technical/dedication level, but it's impossible to separate it from genuine mental illness. That really hit home when I was reading/re-reading the whole thing a few years back in one go and the whole "ha ha I wrote a long meditative story about how tragic oppressive societies are on non-conforming people as a trick so that I could pull the rug out on you and prove that no, oppression is good!" is completely insane unless you chalk it up to, well, insanity. Also there are long interesting annotations in the back about the research Sim did into [Fitzgerald/Hemingway/the King James Edition of the Bible/The Three Stooges] that seem fascinating and cogent until he casually drops something in about how 'obviously true' that aliens built the pyramids or that an occult conspiracy murdered JFK.
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# ? Mar 24, 2018 20:19 |
Did the narrative in Cerebus ever cast the guy as particularly monstrous for, y'know, the anatomy, as opposed to for being a giant rear end in a top hat?
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# ? Mar 24, 2018 22:12 |
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Been reading Iceman, and when the heck did Pyro come back to life? Or is it just a different guy that has the old Pyro's gear?
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# ? Mar 24, 2018 22:22 |
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You mean for being an Aardvark? In the early juvenalia the world was less defined but there was a cult that worshipped Aardvarks. Their prophecies helped propel Cerebus into being a prime minister and pope later on. There was some stuff with the Two Aardvarks that played into the main plot, but for the most part it was handled just like yeah, sometimes people are aardvarks.
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# ? Mar 24, 2018 22:23 |
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The AVClub posted:The Onion: Why an aardvark?
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 01:14 |
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Is this the interview where he acted like a MASSIVE rear end in a top hat and there was a feud between AV Club and Sim for a bit where he faxed them a long screed?
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 01:19 |
Edge & Christian posted:You mean for being an Aardvark? In the early juvenalia the world was less defined but there was a cult that worshipped Aardvarks. Their prophecies helped propel Cerebus into being a prime minister and pope later on. There was some stuff with the Two Aardvarks that played into the main plot, but for the most part it was handled just like yeah, sometimes people are aardvarks. Also that interview was a hoot and a holler. quote:O: Are there parts of your story that you would still like to address, or perspectives that you feel you haven't yet had the chance to get across?
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 02:26 |
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lmao
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 02:54 |
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I will never tire of seeing people's first exposure to the weirdness that is Dave Simm.
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 03:04 |
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jeez, Onion parodies are usually good but that one is just too over the top, nobody would ever speak like that in real...oh, I see
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 03:06 |
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I love how Sim bitched about the press ignoring Cerebus 300, but was a dick head to the press that paid attention to it. I really need to get through my back log so I can justify rereading the first half of Cerebus. PS., Gerhard is a nice guy who only wants to go sailing with his wife.
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 03:52 |
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I hope Savage Dragon makes it to #301 before Sim dies.
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 03:53 |
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Thanks for reminding me about that interview. I like to go back and read it from time to time. It's up there with Bill Coffin's rant about Kevin Siembieda. It's the most antagonistic interview I know of since Gene Simmons tried to gently caress Terry Gross.
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 04:02 |
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Nessus posted:Nah I mean wasn't he a biological hermaphrodite or something? Cerebus the character, I mean. Holy poo poo that was a trip
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 04:50 |
Rhyno posted:I will never tire of seeing people's first exposure to the weirdness that is Dave Simm.
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 05:36 |
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E: wrong thread
TwoPair fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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Wrong thread
TwoPair fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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gently caress wrong thread Jesus how did I do this thrice
TwoPair fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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Uthor posted:I really need to get through my back log so I can justify rereading the first half of Cerebus. I kind of want to do a Cerebus re-read, but I've got to get two more volumes of Cerebus so I can have the complete story. And even though Cerebus really is a towering artistic achievement, the fact that the back half is so badly tainted makes it tough for me to go through with it. I've even got a few volumes that I've had for years but not cracked because if I ever do read them I want it to be part of a complete read through.
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 05:56 |
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I can never remember what my favorite David Sim fact is: the long-form letter he sent to everyone who personally mailed him complaining about his negative press and reputation as a misogynist, demanding they either write back denouncing that specific smear or cut all contact with him? Or the fact that the personal belief system he arrived at after reading the Bible and Qu'ran maintains that all the Abrahamic religions are equally valid, and that contradictions between and within them are all the work of an evil false God named Yoowhoo, who is a woman, acting against the one true God, who is a dude?
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 06:01 |
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I like his petition. http://momentofcerebus.blogspot.com/2015/08/neil-gaiman-why-i-wont-sign-dave-sims.html?m=1 Looks like he got his 2,000 signatures! Guess he's allowed in public again, or whatever it was he was waiting for.
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 06:07 |
TwoPair posted:gently caress wrong thread Jesus how did I do this thrice
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 06:09 |
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Nessus posted:I think that's some kind of a new record, just like Dave Sim's longest comic book record! And just think even a few hours ago, I didn't know how offended I should be at being even kind of sort of compared to Dave Sim! The more you know...
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# ? Mar 25, 2018 06:12 |
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big dave sim posted:the longest sustained narrative in human history it would be pretty funny to show him a collection of one piece or something similarly huge with no pictures (maybe the fantomas series?)
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 17:20 |
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HELP. A long time ago I read a Marvel comic where the Hulk shows up and somebody refers to him as "GreenJeans" and the Hulk replies "HULK NO WEAR JEANS." Would anyone happen to remember this?
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 17:27 |
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VileLL posted:it would be pretty funny to show him a collection of one piece or something similarly huge with no pictures (maybe the fantomas series?) Every episode of Coronation Street back to back.
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 17:27 |
VileLL posted:it would be pretty funny to show him a collection of one piece or something similarly huge with no pictures (maybe the fantomas series?) He'd also probably plead some BS about it not counting because of mangas having assistants or whatever, or editors, or not being self published, or whatever other excuse there'd be.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 09:50 |
Mangaka do have tons of assistants...
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 13:17 |
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Dave Sim had Gerhard to draw the backgrounds, so it's not like he did it entirely alone.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 13:39 |
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Is there a good, centralised way to find out what HCs and TPBs are going to be released in any given month? Using solicits means having to go through 5+ lists of publishers for me and Comicvine only has weekly lists. Both of those also require me to wade through all the single issues coming out as well. Is there a better way to go about this or am I square out of luck?
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# ? Mar 28, 2018 14:11 |
This link takes you to the most recent Previews catalog, filtered for just graphic novels: https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog?cat=3 You can move backward a month at a time using the "previous catalog" link, but you have to reapply the filter. That's about the best I can find.
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# ? Mar 28, 2018 15:09 |
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Anymore I just search by title on Amazon.
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# ? Mar 28, 2018 15:25 |
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LadyPictureShow posted:Been reading Iceman, and when the heck did Pyro come back to life? Or is it just a different guy that has the old Pyro's gear? Like 2 or 3 issues ago of (I think) X-Men Gold. New guy with Pyro's gear and similar powers. I believe he's currently on the Gold team after being freed from Mesmero.
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# ? Mar 28, 2018 21:43 |
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EvilJay posted:Like 2 or 3 issues ago of (I think) X-Men Gold. New guy with Pyro's gear and similar powers. I believe he's currently on the Gold team after being freed from Mesmero. Haha, I read those issues of Gold like 15 minutes after posting that question. But in Iceman he had a different costume than ‘good’ Pyro, but I’m like that could have been the one controlled by Mesmero... But they could have handwaved ‘bad’ Pyro having stayed alive after Necrosha... Basically , but it wouldn’t be the most ridiculous things comics have done. Follow up to that, are there any silly examples of an author having a character show up in a comic, not realizing they had been killed off?
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# ? Mar 30, 2018 16:33 |
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The Best flip of that was in the West Coast Avengers Annual where the Grandmaster made the Avengers fight a Lrgion of the Unliving! And Mightygodking photoshopped annotations about how most of them were later ret-conned to still be alive.
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# ? Mar 30, 2018 21:16 |
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I wrote about that two-parter, it was my first favorite comic! The best/dumbest part about it is when the Avengers all drop dead in the middle of a softball game and somehow the West Coast Avengers are convinced by the Collector to drink poison so they can save their friends from Death.
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# ? Mar 30, 2018 21:32 |
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Also, the Kree later took Midnight, transformed him from an African ninja to an African cyborg space ninja, glued mirrors to his hands, and sent him to fight the Silver Surfer. That didn't go very well, but at least he got to wear a fedora in space. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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LadyPictureShow posted:Haha, I read those issues of Gold like 15 minutes after posting that question. But in Iceman he had a different costume than ‘good’ Pyro, but I’m like that could have been the one controlled by Mesmero... At this point you can probably blame anything on the universe reset. I'm pretty sure Maggot has showed up in the background a few times after his death but before the reboot.
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# ? Mar 31, 2018 22:10 |
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Edge & Christian posted:I wrote about that two-parter, it was my first favorite comic! The best/dumbest part about it is when the Avengers all drop dead in the middle of a softball game and somehow the West Coast Avengers are convinced by the Collector to drink poison so they can save their friends from Death. IIRC that's the one where Hawkeye saves the day with an old carny trick? *follows link* Yep! That was one of my first favorites too, brilliant story.
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