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Dreddout posted:Idk fan seems like this is double it's possible to make mistakes and still be good, on balance. see also every actually existing socialist state
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Mar 31, 2018 02:42
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corruption happened and was bad but that was also the era of Maximum Exploitation due to china's underdeveloped economy. the cpc can't just throw all the billionaires in jail now that the country is advancing to the end of the primary stage of socialism (though everyone except urban elites would love it if they did) so the transition has to happen gradually to maintain stability
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Mar 31, 2018 02:44
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chinese billionaires wouldn't be scrambling to dump capital in overseas real estate if they thought their futures were safe
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Mar 31, 2018 02:47
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Fun fact: I work in an industry that loses a lot of manufactured chemicals and my bosses have been absolutely scrambling the past few months because China has been enforcing their environmental regulations hardcore recently, so we can no longer source cheap chemicals based on the suffering of third worlders
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Mar 31, 2018 02:51
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R. Guyovich posted:now that the country is advancing to the end of the primary stage of socialism jason unruhe has logged on
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Mar 31, 2018 03:51
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I guarantee you that factory managers will end up staging a coup in China ala the soviet union, before it ever transitions to socialism
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Mar 31, 2018 04:05
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R. Guyovich posted:corruption happened and was bad but that was also the era of Maximum Exploitation due to china's underdeveloped economy. the cpc can't just throw all the billionaires in jail now that the country is advancing to the end of the primary stage of socialism (though everyone except urban elites would love it if they did) so the transition has to happen gradually to maintain stability So what changes need to happen to progress to the next stage of socialism, such that if they don't happen in x years, you'll acknowledge that your materialist analysis was poor?
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Mar 31, 2018 05:51
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:lol how do you get this Admittedly it's more simply based on the idea 'To avoid getting turbofucked by colonialism (again) we need to become a colonial power ourselves', but I'll accept a closer analogy like Germany if that works better.
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Mar 31, 2018 06:05
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accept the fact that chyna is good
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Mar 31, 2018 06:43
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china is 70% good and 30% bad has anyone done this yet
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Mar 31, 2018 06:45
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Karl Barks posted:china is 70% good and 30% bad has anyone done this yet europeans were savages when china had a powerful developed empire we got our little time in the sun but now we are going to return to the caves and let the chinese do their thing maybe they can civilize us finally and maybe our children will never have to deal with a sovcitizen yelling about yellow fringed flags and race war because of it
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Mar 31, 2018 06:51
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Inescapable Duck posted:Admittedly it's more simply based on the idea 'To avoid getting turbofucked by colonialism (again) we need to become a colonial power ourselves', but I'll accept a closer analogy like Germany if that works better. It's so far off the mark to be farcical either way. China prefers to make business deals with the African nations it's involved with. There's no overt coercion.That's a bit different than the gunboat diplomacy of Victorian era Germany, and a huge difference from the genocidal policies of Imperial Japan. You can say it's exploitive, but it's really rather civil compared to any imperial power
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Mar 31, 2018 06:53
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R. Guyovich posted:corruption happened and was bad but that was also the era of Maximum Exploitation due to china's underdeveloped economy. the cpc can't just throw all the billionaires in jail now that the country is advancing to the end of the primary stage of socialism (though everyone except urban elites would love it if they did) so the transition has to happen gradually to maintain stability does china have free universal healthcare or a welfare state yet
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Mar 31, 2018 07:29
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Jose posted:does china have free universal healthcare or a welfare state yet no, but the state owns a lot of businesses and bernie sanders told me That's Socialism
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Mar 31, 2018 08:55
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Dreddout posted:It's so far off the mark to be farcical either way. I don't think China has butchered entire African peoples and herded the survivors into a desert to die, so they're probably better than Imperial Germany wrt colonialism too.
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Mar 31, 2018 10:27
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Dreddout posted:It's so far off the mark to be farcical either way. Isn’t that bog-standard modern colonialism?
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Mar 31, 2018 11:45
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Jose posted:does china have free universal healthcare or a welfare state yet not yet, but it's being built. the mao era had guarantees but the quality of care and pensions were substandard. 95 percent of the population has health coverage now and the quality of the coverage is improving every year as the health infrastructure advances a lot of people forget half the population is still rural, it takes time to modernize a country with 1.3 billion citizens, half of whom are farmers, fishermen and herdsmen
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Mar 31, 2018 12:25
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R. Guyovich posted:corruption happened and was bad but that was also the era of Maximum Exploitation due to china's underdeveloped economy. the cpc can't just throw all the billionaires in jail now that the country is advancing to the end of the primary stage of socialism (though everyone except urban elites would love it if they did) so the transition has to happen gradually to maintain stability its true, you cant build socialism without literally over a hundred billionaires in your government revive the a shares!
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Mar 31, 2018 12:40
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also dont worry this only targets rude rich people riding on traahahahaahaha you naive gently caress"abc.net.au posted:Chinese authorities claim they have banned more than 7 million people deemed "untrustworthy" from boarding flights, and nearly 3 million others from riding on high-speed trains, according to a report by the country's National Development and Reform Commission.
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Mar 31, 2018 12:41
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Isn’t that bog-standard modern colonialism? Nah, look at the middle east to see modern day colonialism The simple truth is that a lot of African nations don't like or trust the West and would rather do business with China. It's being done through soft economic power, there's no permanent settlers, and nobody's getting coerced militarily It ain't colonialism, by any stretch of the imagination
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Mar 31, 2018 18:51
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Now if you want to make an argument for China engaging in colonialism, presumably because you want to own Greaves or Unruhe. I would look inwards at regions like Xinjiang and Tibet. You can build a much stronger colonialism case there than China's business in Africa. Btw Greaves wont read your argument and will dismiss it out of hand, so you are wasting your time 
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Mar 31, 2018 18:57
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There's a difference between economic neo-colonialism and the kind maintained with armies/settlers. China just built a naval base in Djibouti last year so we might be approaching the latter I'd argue that Sudan is a good case of Chinese/Western imperialist rivalries, as China armed/supported Omar al-Bashir and shielded him as he was committing genocide in Darfur, whereas the U.S. among others tried to exploit the image of the genocide to make China look bad Now with all that being said, it still is mostly soft power we're dealing with here. China has the ideological advantage of being able to portray itself as a country founded on third world anti-imperialism vis-a-vis the historical exploitation of western powers. American aid of Latin America and anti-Spanish liberation movements (and a common anti-European "American" heritage) put it in a similar position during the 1800s, hence why the Monroe Doctrine looked so anti-imperialist when it was written compared to the precedent it set
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Mar 31, 2018 19:28
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Western colonialism was kind of its own thing given in a lot of places, the idea was basically to recreate the feudal structure that had broken down in the homeland, with the natives as the underclasses and serfs to the European lords, where the displaced nobility could recreate their ancestral lifestyle at a fraction of the price. At least I remember reading about that kind of thing in India, and it makes a lot of sense given the nature of Apartheid Rhodesia and South Africa.
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Apr 1, 2018 06:32
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Chinese neocolonialism isn't any different from US neocolonialism, in that is all econonic and based in giving loans, and then servicing that debt with exclusive mineral rightsand such, buying out corrupt officials, etc. Alot of the Chinese gifts in terms of stadiums are made with loans from Chinese banks, and the econonic development it does finance (railways tec.) to other countries, tend to curiously be focused on getting minerals to a port (and therefore China) as fast as possible, and does nothing to develop the entire country as a whole. Homeex, of course, would have already tediously explained all this, to everyone itt, with some shitpost, if we were talking about the US, but curiously he's silent on the subject when it comes to china... rudatron has issued a correction as of 06:42 on Apr 1, 2018 |
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Apr 1, 2018 06:39
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Also China has a tendency to bring in their own workers, from China, you actually build all this stuff, meaning its as much an employment program for unemployed Chinese, and of course none of that money circulates in the local economy
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Apr 1, 2018 06:45
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Bro Dad posted:also dont worry this only targets rude rich people riding on traahahahaahaha you naive gently caress article has: guy who didn't pay a fine single person caught up in the blacklist by mistake, followed by a quote to disingenuously link said person to a dissident suppression campaign great source!
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Apr 1, 2018 07:53
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Dreddout posted:Nah, look at the middle east to see modern day colonialism Sorry, I clearly should have said neocolonialism.
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Apr 1, 2018 17:05
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R. Guyovich posted:article has: guy who didn't pay a fine At this point one has to believe the people spreading this are deliberate propagandists.
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Apr 1, 2018 17:55
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EdithUpwards posted:At this point one has to believe the people spreading this are deliberate propagandists. Yeah man unsuspecting people never spread fake news
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Apr 1, 2018 18:00
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God I hope China's actually doing tougher environmental regs
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Apr 1, 2018 18:25
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EdithUpwards posted:At this point one has to believe the people spreading this are deliberate propagandists. What an amusing thing to say in response to a Homework Explainer post.
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Apr 1, 2018 18:30
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Karl Barks posted:Yeah man unsuspecting people never spread fake news People who spread email forward grade horseshit know what they're doing. I know because I tried to make Email Forwards But Good as a teen. I even used wacky fonts and started multiple email addresses to get the ball rolling and no, they just hell-bent on hurting the feelings of The Chinese People.
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Apr 1, 2018 18:42
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reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM
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Apr 1, 2018 21:57
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Lol But yeah the chinese debt fears really just prove that a lot of people have trouble understanding that despite huge amounts of foreign debt ownership, its still just a drop in the pacific ocean that is the federal treasury and the total economy
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Apr 1, 2018 22:46
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R. Guyovich posted:article has: guy who didn't pay a fine article actually has: investigative chinese journalist put on list making him unable ride a plane or make any major purchases as well as a young girl who had to go beg the authorities to get off said list so she would be allowed to go to college, all part of the dangers of the various social credit systems spreading across china but then again you might know more than the chinese journalists who wrote the article, after all you said this only affected rude people on trains 
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Apr 2, 2018 00:38
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Bro Dad posted:article actually has: investigative chinese journalist put on list making him unable ride a plane or make any major purchases as well as a young girl who had to go beg the authorities to get off said list so she would be allowed to go to college, all part of the dangers of the various social credit systems spreading across china that's not what i said, at all and again, it says in the article he didn't pay a penalty for a defamation suit AND the article has been taken down! wow! they really stand by their quality reporting at abc.com.au.clownpenis.fart R. Guyovich has issued a correction as of 01:11 on Apr 2, 2018 |
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Apr 2, 2018 01:08
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R. Guyovich posted:AND the article has been taken down! wow! they really stand by their quality reporting at abc.com.au.clownpenis.fart uhhhhh http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-31/chinas-social-credit-system-punishes-untrustworthy-citizens/9596204
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Apr 2, 2018 01:12
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Uphold Bangist-Dingist-Owist thought
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Apr 2, 2018 01:23
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Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 02:54 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Apr 2, 2018 01:27
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abc.net.au is the australian government funded news service, its actually quite good as a news org, and is not some fringe news org, as you're trying to imply.
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Apr 2, 2018 02:07
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