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Do you have access to academic journals because some of what you are asking is like 70% of the work that is done in American archaeology. For example the shift to agriculture is a huuuuge thing in the American southwest and California.
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My favorite semi-mindblowing fact about prehistoric humans is that we were born with spears in our hands. The spear predates genetically modern humans. e: double checking, it significantly predates homo sapiens. By hundreds of thousands of years.
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cheetah7071 posted:My favorite semi-mindblowing fact about prehistoric humans is that we were born with spears in our hands. The spear predates genetically modern humans. Well, apes and some monkeys use spears (sticks, to be precise) today, so there's apparently not a huge barrier to tool use for evolution to overcome
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Mar 30, 2018 00:30
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cheetah7071 posted:My favorite semi-mindblowing fact about prehistoric humans is that we were born with spears in our hands. The spear predates genetically modern humans. this rules
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Libluini posted:Well, apes and some monkeys use spears (sticks, to be precise) today, so there's apparently not a huge barrier to tool use for evolution to overcome tool use is a lot more common among animals than was appreciated a few decades ago, it's definitely not unique to primates though of course we are fast learners and have limbs suited for it which makes sense, really. a good tool is a big advantage so whenever tool use develops it's likely to stick
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cheetah7071 posted:My favorite semi-mindblowing fact about prehistoric humans is that we were born with spears in our hands. The spear predates genetically modern humans. depending on who you believe, dogs do too (estimates range from six thousand years to over a hundred thousand years) dogs are basically the only species other than humans that follow a human's gaze to see what they're looking at, too
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Tunicate posted:
That's really interesting!
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I know goats can follow a human's gaze as well, I think a few other farm animals can do it. Definitely not cats though.Jazerus posted:tool use is a lot more common among animals than was appreciated a few decades ago, it's definitely not unique to primates though of course we are fast learners and have limbs suited for it  Pictured: American alligator observed collecting sticks on its nose during Egret nesting season, and subsequently devouring an egret. Egrets form communal rookeries where they compete for scarce nest material. Alligators are only observed to locate and balance sticks on their nose during nesting season. I quite liked Demonic Males: Apes and the Origins of Human Violence, though I see you already have plenty of books on the early paleolithic. It's both serious and approachable. Cowritten by a primatologist and a pop science writer, it delves into the origins of human violence via comparisons to our nearest relatives, the great apes. Might make for a good counter-point to some of the more optimistic takes on human development you are likely to encounter.
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It's kinda mind-blowing how dumb racist ideas of differences in modern humans are when you realize that not only are all modern humans interfertile, we were interfertile with neanderthals and denisovans. Like the boundary for subhuman is way, way, way out there. (Swype tried to autocorrect denisovans to Slovenians. Does it know something we don't?)
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Mar 30, 2018 04:26
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HEY GUNS posted:this rules No word on whether or not Neanderthals could form pike squares, though.
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Arglebargle III posted:It's kinda mind-blowing how dumb racist ideas of differences in modern humans are when you realize that not only are all modern humans interfertile, we were interfertile with neanderthals and denisovans. Like the boundary for subhuman is way, way, way out there. and like 95% of the genetic differences for which we can reasonably hypothesize effects have to do with sex and not even cool sex stuff its all weird poo poo like sperm motility that make no sense
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Squalid posted:I know goats can follow a human's gaze as well, I think a few other farm animals can do it. Definitely not cats though. goats do, but only if you point as well - gaze by itself isn't enough quote:Post hoc pairwise comparisons (Bonferroni corrected) between each experimental condition and the control condition revealed significant differences for the condition Touch ( P < 0.0001) and for the condition Point (P = 0.025). In both conditions the subjects chose the correct bucket significantly more often in the experimental than in the control condition. In contrast there was no difference between the Gaze and the control condition (P = 1.000).
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HEY GUNS posted:this rules *Surviving Edged Weapons narrator voice* Man has always lived in a pike culture
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Squalid posted:
That's fascinating and really clever and neat... but also a serious dick move 
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If you want more coverage of new discoveries in ancient humanity, ArsTechnica has had a couple of really cool stories recently. First, Satellite imagery has helped to identify earthworks showing a remote region in the Amazon basin may have had between 500,000 to a million inhabitants prior to 1492. Further studies with Lidar imaging (which would penetrate weather and some rainforest) could reveal even more settlements. Second, Footprints discovered on an island off British Columbia provide further evidence humans migrated into the Americas via coast hopping. Really amazing to see a set of footprints and think someone stood right there, 13,000 years prior, on a continent few humans had encountered.
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Tunicate posted:goats do, but only if you point as well - gaze by itself isn't enough Okay that makes sense, I imagine a lot of domestic livestock perform similarly to goats on these tasks, though I don't remember any specific studies. If you're used to being around animals gaze is a really dramatic difference between wild species and domestics. With most wild animals, if they stare you straight in the eye it's a huge warning sign that this animal is pissed and trying to judge if it should gently caress you up. If they aren't whether to stomp you or not they will quiet pointedly keep themselves look absolutely anywhere but directly towards you. By contrast walk past a pasture and many cows and horses will look you dead in the eye, seemingly without any malice or expectation. Really dramatic behavior change. Illustration of how wild animals respond to gaze. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZRzSoREJVk#t=1m46s
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I was looking at Austronesian history today and I did not realize they had reached Easter Island and Madagascar while the Romans still thought the Bay of Biscay was rough going.
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Tunicate posted:depending on who you believe, dogs do too It's actually a bit cooler than that. Dogs and wolves living out in the wild follow each other's gazes and the gazes of a lot of other creatures around the place, both as part of communicating and coordinating with each other and general survival. And many other species will follow a human's gaze at least pretty often when around humans, just as they follow other animals' gazes because that's generally an important thing to do. But domestic dogs and wolves are particularly adept at figuring out at what points they should not pay attention to a gaze or shifts in gaze, especially among humans they're familiar with. They seem to be pretty good at determining whether there is "meaning" behind where you're looking that they should keep an eye on versus you just kinda staring into space or say just reading something. And it's something that they learn over time (and presumably wild wolves are learning among themselves), as puppies do much more following any gaze while adult dogs are more selective.
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Arglebargle III posted:I was looking at Austronesian history today and I did not realize they had reached Easter Island and Madagascar while the Romans still thought the Bay of Biscay was rough going. I thought that Madagascar remained basically uninhabited for a strangely long time considering its close proximity to Africa.
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Jerusalem posted:That's fascinating and really clever and neat... but also a serious dick move no it's a serious stick move
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I thought that Madagascar remained basically uninhabited for a strangely long time considering its close proximity to Africa. Yeah, I looked it up as well. The first settlers came all the way across the Indian Ocean from Borneo in outrigger canoes, a few centuries BC. I was flabbergasted. First that they actually could make that voyage, and second that there was no one there when they got there - I don't understand why it hadn't been colonized by humans from Africa who'd been kicking around for a million years or so at that point. The evidence is quite clear, though. It's the oddest thing.
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sullat posted:No word on whether or not Neanderthals could form pike squares, though. They would've never had the need. Population densities were too low to make them practical.
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a neanderthal dropped into the age of pike could definitely participate in a pike square with the same training as anybody else tho they were only marginally different from modern humans
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Deteriorata posted:Yeah, I looked it up as well. The first settlers came all the way across the Indian Ocean from Borneo in outrigger canoes, a few centuries BC. I was flabbergasted. First that they actually could make that voyage, and second that there was no one there when they got there - I don't understand why it hadn't been colonized by humans from Africa who'd been kicking around for a million years or so at that point. There was a study, which you can read here: http://www.pnas.org/content/110/31/12583 that suggests there was an original settlement in Madagascar from Africa dating back to about 2000 BC, predating the Southeast Asian settlement.
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2000 BC was still surprisingly recent when humans reached Australia at least 40000 years ago
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But Madagascar to Easter Island via the Pacific is more than half the circumference of the Earth. I'm going to nominate the austronesian people for goat explorers on that basis. That they did it with Stone Age technology during the classical period just makes it more impressive. Canoe might be a bit limiting in our understanding of the craft they sailed. An ocean - going double hull canoe could be up to 100 feet long and typically carried a deck house. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Apr 1, 2018 |
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Yeah my favorite mindfuck is the relative lateness of the introduction of the bow and arrow. You get reaaal fancy pottery before you get them. Its also super easy to see in the archaeological record which is nice. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Apr 1, 2018 |
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Would any of you know of any good resources to read up on early to late Iron-Age, pre-Viking Age northern Europeans? I'm looking roughly between 500 B.C.E to 800 AD. I found a few websites, but most of them are just random pictures with chunks of texts or links to museums.
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If you served in the Sacred Band of Thebes and your boyfriend died, were you put on leave until you got a new one?
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Obsidian blades make handy razors apparently if you need to shave in field.
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As far as I've gotten in the History of Rome podcast, it seems like Rome is basically the ship of Theseus, steadily replacing bits of itself, and on a few occasions totally swapping out ships like nothing happened. And then also many instances of bits of the ship splitting off and being their own ship for a while, but USUALLY it doesn't last more than 10 years, so you can sort of shrug it away.
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The Roman world in 500 looked different enough from the Roman world just before 400 that if you had to assign different names to different periods of the Roman state, putting a name change there would be pretty reasonable.
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Apr 4, 2018 21:59
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I nonironically just goddamn love these things.
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Mehmed VI
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:Mehmed VI I was gonna post this but I spent a while trying to figure out who Constantine Pelaiologos was (I am used to hearing about him as Constantine XI) so I wasn't fast enough
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Surely someone must have made one with Pitt the Elder and Lord Palmerstone by now.
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Tunicate posted:depending on who you believe, dogs do too one of my cats does, but he has a no-poo poo anxiety disorder so maybe he's just hyperaware and/or was smart enough to make the connection
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cheetah7071 posted:The Roman world in 500 looked different enough from the Roman world just before 400 that if you had to assign different names to different periods of the Roman state, putting a name change there would be pretty reasonable. If you want to end Rome at the death of Theodosius in 395 then go right ahead, I'd rather someone say that than dumbass 476.
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