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a7m2 posted:God I hate assembling these models. They look amazing but they're such a pain to assemble Tell us your problems.
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Cat Face Joe posted:Hmm the bases are flat. That removes the main issue I have with trees in Infinity.
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I played in a tournament today despite leaving my entire army at home by mistake. Played 3 rounds with a mishmash of proxies from other people’s collections, nothing was as it seemed. a7m2 posted:God I hate assembling these models. They look amazing but they're such a pain to assemble Newer ones are much better to assemble, CB really see, to have learned a lot.
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I was suddenly inspired to try out ISS. My first instinct was to run Hsien/Crane haris, Su Jian and 4+ kuang shi to fuel it. Am I way of?
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Not a viking posted:I was suddenly inspired to try out ISS. My first instinct was to run Hsien/Crane haris, Su Jian and 4+ kuang shi to fuel it. Am I way of? Hsien/Crane Haris? Cranes can spearhead a link of Celestial Guard, which is pretty good, Hsien can Haris with Zhanying Agents, which is also good. Probably neither option is quite as cut-throat as Su-Jian backed up by a cheap link of Kuang Shi + 1 Celestial Guard. However I think that latter option is often backed up by a single Hsien for MSV2+smoke shenanigans. Please see below for a summary of my tournament games today. All become hilarious when you imagine I was using random N2 Acontecimento models for most purposes, with the occasional TAG lending its 55mm base to represent a S4 REM! - Game 1. Transmission Matrix. Facing Steel Phalanx. 7-5 Victory, 120 points remaining to opponent’s 70-ish(?). Opponent a nice guy, seemed to know what he was doing. I lost the roll and he picked deployment, but I chose to go second anyway. Possibly a mistake or I didn’t use 2nd turn advantage well enough. I felt I sort of threw away a bigger win here. Placed my Designated Target badly again (still thinking of it like an HVT) and despite some excellent rolls wasting a couple of his orders, he promptly bagged it with his Datatracker – not really preventable when deploying and going second. However I mucked up the counterattack a bit; despite shattering his army and putting him into LoL (which I didn’t realise) I risked my Lt Intruder against a chain rifle purely out of greed for the 1 extra point, and failed the ARM roll. Absolutely should have left it, and that would have let me keep a grip of the game and try for a 9-4 major win. Instead, we both had a poor second turn and drew there as well. I was not really in doubt of the final win, but much closer than it would have been if I’d played better. - Game 2. Looting & Sabotaging. Facing Merovingians. 7-2 Defeat, 174 points remaining to opponent’s 104. So my oppo, who's an experienced tourney player, had a great strategy for this game – he rolled to infiltrate 8 separate camouflage markers within a single move of my objective, which has to be protected from anti-materiel cc attacks. All of the camouflaged models had D-charges. So 4 of them made their rolls, 2 coordinated a move+CC in the first order of the game. I wiped out the whole lot with AROs immediately, having counter-deployed, but in that one order he hit with both in CC (inc one crit), destroying my objective instantly. Gives me a hard cap of 7 OPs for the game, and he had 4 OPs in the bag instantly! I can’t really complain, it’s a clever way to play the mission rules, but it’s a pretty frustrating way to lose! Some good play over the rest, I decimated his army and sent the Iguana/McMurrough up toward his objective. The main obstacle to this was Saito Togan. This got a bit weird: I overstretched my Iguana in Round 1, got one swing at the objective, missed, and was killed in his Turn 2. In my Turn 2, I didn’t have enough orders to get anyone else there, so we ended and packed up. Throughout this, we both thought it was one turn later than it actually was. We completely forgot the Round 3. Kicking myself obviously, if I had played more conservatively in Round 1 & 2 I might well have been able to swing a draw or low scoring win. A real regret of a game. Not to slag off the other guy though, he really embraced the spirit of the tourney, taking some useful Merc troops etc - wish I had done the same. - Game 3. Biotechvore. Facing Hassassin Bahram. 9-0 Victory, 281 points remaining to opponent’s 0. Played Alex before, he’s a sportsman but not a very competitive player. He elected to deploy second, so I went first. Took down a couple of Asawira in a Haris link, a TR bot, and Yojimbo while moving most of my models out of the zone, including a dominant Mobile Brigada pain train, a TR bot and the requisite Crazy Koala carriers. Lost 2 jaguars, 1 Stempler Zond and 1 Transductor Zond (45pts) to the virus. He really struggled to break out, bagging my TR bot and 1 Moran but struggling to do more than survive, losing 1 or 2 more blokes in the process. I finished off everything but some Muyibs and 1 Barid in my Turn 2. He risked one piece, the Muyib HRL, in his turn and lost it against my MB link (missiles hitting on 19s). My Turn 3 I accomplished my classifieds. I then used a Moran Masai boarding shotgun, was quite lucky and downed his Barid and 2 remaining Muyibs, clearing him off the board.
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Yeah, you need a 5-man wu ming link fuelled by kuang shi, then 75pts of specialist fuelled by another set of kuang shi. 20 orders and a pain train, baby.
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Apr 2, 2018 22:49
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Genghis Cohen posted:Hsien/Crane Haris? Cranes can spearhead a link of Celestial Guard, which is pretty good, Hsien can Haris with Zhanying Agents, which is also good. Probably neither option is quite as cut-throat as Su-Jian backed up by a cheap link of Kuang Shi + 1 Celestial Guard. However I think that latter option is often backed up by a single Hsien for MSV2+smoke shenanigans. I would just like to say that Biotechvore is cancer and should never be played, that is all.
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Apr 2, 2018 22:58
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Infinity:Genghis Cohen posted:I overstretched my Iguana
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Apr 2, 2018 23:00
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Khisanth Magus posted:I would just like to say that Biotechvore is cancer and should never be played, that is all. Well, it's a weird one. Personally I think it's a good laugh but bears little resemblance to any more conventional mission. Sir Teabag posted:Infinity: I almost always over-reach my orders in some way. I think it's the mark of a really superior player not to - they go for what they can get and don't expose their models to an easy counter-attack unless they absolutely need to.
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Apr 2, 2018 23:07
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I'd play Biotechvore over Rescue any day of the week.
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Apr 2, 2018 23:14
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grassy gnoll posted:I'd play Biotechvore over Rescue any day of the week. 100%
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Apr 2, 2018 23:28
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Sir Teabag posted:Infinity:
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Not a viking posted:I was suddenly inspired to try out ISS. My first instinct was to run Hsien/Crane haris, Su Jian and 4+ kuang shi to fuel it. Am I way of? Yeah, it is the main idea - have a strike team (Hsien Haris or Su-Jian) fueled by a Kuang Shi battery in one group, specialists and back-up srikers in the other. While Hsien HMG in a haris might be a no-brainer choice for those sweet 5 dice, it will be difficult to utilize after you get rid of TR bots if you play on tables with appropriate amount of terrain. Multi-rifle will let you use your haris buddies more and will be more effective against camospam. In button-pushing missions always have a CG with smoke launcher in a core link - covering whole field in smoke so your Sophotect or Kanren can effortlessly swoosh around is incredibly effective once you get rid of enemy MSV2.
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Sharing across from the Backdoor Challenge page. The Combined Army prevails as the winning faction of the first Challenge ITS. The following characters cannot be used in Army Lists for ITS Leagues or Tournaments until further notice. Outside official ITS games, these characters can be used normally. PanOceanía: Lieutenant Stephen Rao, Bagh Mari Unit Yu Jing: Guǐ Fēng Xi Zhuang Ariadna: Col. Yevgueni Voronin. Haqqislam: Tarik Mansuri Nomads: Reverend Superior Cassandra Kusanagi ALEPH: Andromeda Leirbag is the player holding the first position of the World Ranking of the ITS after finishing Challenge 01: Crisis B4CKD00R, so he is awarded with the honorary title of Winter Winner. Leribag has selected the Combined Army to be the faction with access to the Improved Profile HVT (Improved Designated Target) in the scenarios including the Designated Target Special Rule, using the following profile.  
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Apr 3, 2018 14:41
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Flipswitch posted:Yu Jing: Guǐ Fēng Xi Zhuang corvus belli can suck my dick
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fatherboxx posted:corvus belli can suck my dick
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This is stupid, but I'm not gonna pretend that all the Haqq players suddenly losing Tarik isn't incredibly funny.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:13
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grassy gnoll posted:This is stupid, but I'm not gonna pretend that all the Haqq players suddenly losing Tarik isn't incredibly funny.
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Our local bakunin player uses kusanagi in pretty much every list. So this just kinda hosed him over.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:21
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Pierzak posted:I'm not gonna cry over losing stupid Fatality L2, but banning a character so soon after releasing the Beyond box he's in probably isn't the best idea. Don't get me wrong, this whole thing is brain dead in the extreme. I'm just salty because I've been crit to death an awful lot. I wonder what the turnaround time is on a single mini for CB. Having a limited edition mini for the winning faction, like an alt character sculpt, available until the Interplanetario would be a way better reward and wouldn't actively screw so much of your player base.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:36
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No clue how they'll enforce this cause it's not like they're gonna update the army builder in a timely fashion
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Apr 3, 2018 15:42
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Cat Face Joe posted:No clue how they'll enforce this cause it's not like they're gonna update the army builder in a timely fashion
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Apr 3, 2018 15:59
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Cat Face Joe posted:Tell us your problems. I did another model which was much less finicky.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:04
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Cat Face Joe posted:No clue how they'll enforce this cause it's not like they're gonna update the army builder in a timely fashion This came up in the wc forum and it isn't enforceable. TOs can just ignore it if players don't submit their lists or enforce it.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:50
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As a newly minted ALEPH player, I had to go look up Andromeda to even see what she did. I feel like nomads, haqq and yu Jing got the worst end of this, oof
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Apr 3, 2018 16:51
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Flipswitch posted:This came up in the wc forum and it isn't enforceable. TOs can just ignore it if players don't submit their lists or enforce it. Is it normal to do tournaments outside of its? People keep saying stuff like this, but every tournament here in Iowa has you submitting lists.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:56
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Some do tournaments with 20x20 or YAMS but obviously you can't report those as ITS events.
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I've arranged three ITS tournaments and every time people could participate without submitting lists.
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Apr 3, 2018 17:05
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Khisanth Magus posted:Is it normal to do tournaments outside of its? People keep saying stuff like this, but every tournament here in Iowa has you submitting lists. It's worth mentioning this is only for a couple of months as well.
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Seconding everyone’s opinion that this is some bullshit. What on Earth were they thinking? People don’t like having their toys taken away from them, some small bonus to the winning faction (which is already there in suitably minor form as the improved hvt) would have been enough.
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I'm sure that they have stats showing that less than 50% of all lists for those factions saved on army builder had those characters, so obviously they aren't important to the faction.
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Apr 3, 2018 18:38
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Apparently these lost characters are supposed to come back "better"? The loss of Rao is no big deal. He could use something to set him apart from the rest of the Bagh Mari. Xi is a pretty big loss. I was under the impression that people used him regularly and I'm not sure how he could be improved. He's pretty optimized as is. Does anyone use Voronin at all? With Kazaks coming now is a good time for a revamp. They just changed Tarik. Also death to the Fatality skill. Kusanagi is outdated and in desperate need of an update. I get she's supposed to be the Nomad's Joan but she's too expensive in a Moira link and isn't that great on her own. Andromeda lol who cares
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Apr 3, 2018 18:45
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Iirc that is Chinese whispers, i haven't seen a CB post about them changing.
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Apr 3, 2018 18:54
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Xi is a pretty big part of my Celestial Guard/Crane link team in ISS, buuuuuut it's not like I don't have other options that are just as powerful. Losing access to another set of Madtraps kinda sucks though!
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Apr 3, 2018 21:00
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Kusanagi should probably be wiped altogether and Bakunin given a fresh hero, since JSA's got Literally Major Kusanagi nowadays.
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Shoot me now. I just started Infinity and picked Ariadna as my starting faction, then decided that infiltrating camo games would be a GREAT idea for a newbie! Because a bunch of unsupported forward line guys using crazy complicated rules can't go wrong, right?
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Apr 3, 2018 21:32
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Learn using the starter scenarios. After mastering the basics, add one to two special rules per scenario. You will be fine. Camo isn't that bad to learn!
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Once you learn camo well though, you'll be able to absolutely mind-game the absolute hell out of them.
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Man, this is intensely bullshit. I was constructing vanilla Yu Jing lists in an effort to remain positive despite losing some of my more lethal toys, and I used Xi just two days ago to hold down a flank against Tohaa reasonably well. I had really been trying to ignore the loss of the Japanese stuff, but this just feels like it reopens old wounds. though, lol @ everyone flipping their poo poo at losing only one model for a limited time
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Yeah, having this right after the JSA thing is a pretty poor pr move. Unless they've got something huge up their sleeve, but I doubt that unfortunately.
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