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Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

I liked the parts of Fez that were a cute character having platforming adventures and not the parts that were really obtuse puzzle solving.

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Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
japanese gaming = win

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Expect My Mom posted:

japanese gaming = win

This

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Expect My Mom posted:

japanese gaming = win

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
It feels like ~50% of AAA games made are Japanese, so, statistically speaking, ~50% of the ones I like should be from Japan all else being equal. Anime is cute though so in the end it's more like 60% for me

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i hate seeing entire chunks of the japanese industry get lumped in as otaku bait cause most of the big franchises people point to are also pretty popular with women and the ones that really are almost purely male otaku-oriented are really niche and consist entirely of megacheap budget titles

Nina
Oct 9, 2016

Invisible werewolf (entirely visible, not actually a wolf)
I'd buy God of War if it were cute

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

It’s probably an 80-20 W vs. J split for me, and that’s entirely due to me not having any consoles

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
The point one of the commentators made about Japanese games being less corporate-driven and more single vision-driven feels right (like, I can't imagine an American Yoko Taro being successful in a large company--he'd be fine as an indie dev though) but it could be confirmation bias.

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

How predictable, anime avatar squad is into Japanese games :hehe:

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

Jay Rust posted:

How predictable, anime avatar squad is into Japanese games :hehe:

I'll have you know mine is a drawing by a western artist of a character from an anime video game

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
yeah i like the games that are more willing to portray cool lesbian characters than 90% of the big western market

Nina
Oct 9, 2016

Invisible werewolf (entirely visible, not actually a wolf)

cheetah7071 posted:

The point one of the commentators made about Japanese games being less corporate-driven and more single vision-driven feels right (like, I can't imagine an American Yoko Taro being successful in a large company--he'd be fine as an indie dev though) but it could be confirmation bias.

Mind you, the industry is only driven by auteur creators when the companies find ways to capitalize on them. Taro caught lightning in a bottle with Automata and instantly became marketable for Square-Enix so he's in a good place, but previously he was struggling like many visionary directors in Japan.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

cheetah7071 posted:

The point one of the commentators made about Japanese games being less corporate-driven and more single vision-driven feels right (like, I can't imagine an American Yoko Taro being successful in a large company--he'd be fine as an indie dev though) but it could be confirmation bias.

There also seem to be more companies of a size in between big AAA publishers and handful of people indie dev teams which it feels like western games have polarized into due to buyouts.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

How quickly we forget about Ken Levine's Bioshock Infinite.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

I wish

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Bioshock 1 was good

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Western games in Japan have an extremely weird presence in Japan, a lot of them get shuffled into the literal forbidden zone since they wind up with a CERO Z rating a lot of the time (equivalent to AO with the ESRB, buying a game with this rating in a store mandates ID as a federal law, and online purchases can only be made with a credit card, no wallet cards, which is tricky in Japan due to being notoriously cash-centric) due to excess blood and/or because you can harm innocents consequence-free (even Retro City Rampage wasn't spared this).

Even the ones that avoid this can get weird. It's kind of surreal that they promote MLB The Show quite a bit over there, but the game remains in English only. In the pre-Steam days, PC game availability was also weird as all hell, I had a fun time with the Ultima I-VIII anthology, which mostly consisted of floppy disk image files and an emulator for the NEC PC-98. Ultima VII and VIII you needed a legit DOS machine for, though, with 7 just being the English version (need the Super Famicom version for Japanese) and VIII only working in DOS/V and I couldn't get it working in DOSBox.

At least the PDF manual explained how to work with the 640k RAM barrier.

univbee fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Apr 4, 2018

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

Nina posted:

I'd buy God of War if it were cute

Idk that'd probably be even more disturbing

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
I was at a localization panel at PAX years ago and one of them had a story. They were working on some game that had simultaneous localization and repeated content--some sort of MMO variant I think. At some point there was a bit of content that was only going to be released in NA for some reason. Apparently the Japanese writers had felt stifled by the Japanese ratings board, and decided to stick all the horribly violent poo poo they had wanted to put in into this content. The localizers had to inform them that no, the ESRB was not okay with children being decapitated on screen in a T rated game.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
Gears of War but Marcus is a pink-haired anime schoolgirl who's clumsy and always late for everything and Dom is her friend Angelika Schwartzvonhowitzer who is very exotic and cultured because she's from Europe.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

It's cool walking around used game stores in the ADULT section and seeing a lot of trashy porn games and also like, GTA and COD4.

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

Saint Freak posted:

Gears of War but Marcus is a pink-haired anime schoolgirl who's clumsy and always late for everything and Dom is her friend Angelika Schwartzvonhowitzer who is very exotic and cultured because she's from Europe.

Day One. Everything else exactly the same.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
my favorite mid 80s japanese pc gaming story will forever be the time richard gariott flew over to discuss giving falcom the japanese publishing rights to ultima, getting shown a demo of falcom's own ultima-inspired dungeon crawler xanadu, and then immediately storming out when he saw one of the shopkeepers in the game just had their art blatantly lifted from the ultima 3 manual and it all getting written down in an entry in The Official Book of Ultima that talked about japan as a country dominated by unoriginal ultima rip-offs like dragon quest

and falcom never released a version of xanadu with the old shopkeeper artwork ever again

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


It seems to me that in the Japanese gaming industry the cream rises to the top, the cream in this case being "utterly obsessed with asses."

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




In Training posted:

It's cool walking around used game stores in the ADULT section and seeing a lot of trashy porn games and also like, GTA and COD4.

Equally cool is their ADULT section not being sectioned off whatsoever. The Ultima collection I mentioned earlier that I bought from Yodobashi Camera was immediately adjacent to the MUCH larger ADULT section of PC games.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
There might be a few individual butt fanatics but Japanese games overall are all about boobs. You have far more notable butts per game in Western games.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




cheetah7071 posted:

There might be a few individual butt fanatics but Japanese games overall are all about boobs. You have far more butts per game in Western games.

No they're still about that rear end, they just call them "hips".

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

please refer to my anthropology doctoral thesis, "We Only Like Boobs Because They're Shaped Like Butts"

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

goons talking about sex in games is like 30x creeper than the games themselves

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

univbee posted:

No they're still about that rear end, they just call them "hips".

I'd agree with this if you replaces hips with thighs

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

univbee posted:

Equally cool is their ADULT section not being sectioned off whatsoever. The Ultima collection I mentioned earlier that I bought from Yodobashi Camera was immediately adjacent to the MUCH larger ADULT section of PC games.

Lol yeah. Before I had ever been to japan I had assumed this was some exaggeration by people who were just checking out trashy stuff anyway, but literally everywhere you go youre spitting distance from pornography. At least in tokyo which is the only place ive been.

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

I’ve never been to japan, are the skirts really that short there?

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

an actual dog posted:

goons talking about sex in games is like 30x creeper than the games themselves

They are just kinda discussing the fact that there is sex in some games without gross details though :confused:

Nina
Oct 9, 2016

Invisible werewolf (entirely visible, not actually a wolf)
Really though I don't particularly care where the games I play are made. What type of big budget games I end up playing is more guided by what kind of game design is trending in specific parts of the industry.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




In Training posted:

Lol yeah. Before I had ever been to japan I had assumed this was some exaggeration by people who were just checking out trashy stuff anyway, but literally everywhere you go youre spitting distance from pornography. At least in tokyo which is the only place ive been.

Nah pretty much everywhere. If you're somewhere that handles DVD's or PC games in any capacity, they have an adult section, and odds are good some of what's in there is flat-out illegal in much of the rest of the world. The covers I've seen :stonk:

At least Geo had like a million copies of 24 DVD's, 2 episodes for one night for only 150 yen!

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

In Training posted:

Lol yeah. Before I had ever been to japan I had assumed this was some exaggeration by people who were just checking out trashy stuff anyway, but literally everywhere you go youre spitting distance from pornography. At least in tokyo which is the only place ive been.

Not that there aren't likely huge ethical problems in the production of that and stuff that would be incredibly illegal elsewhere, but it's kind of an odd thing to find weird about Japan specifically when people have literally instant access to free porn at any time and that's become normalized in at least the US to the point that it's just joked about.

chumbler fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Apr 4, 2018

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i forgot about the full extent to which falcom got owned



it's epic because at this point falcom was like, just starting to become an actual company and a lot of their games after xanadu had really striking visuals and design work, it's just xanadu was like their second big game right after they finally found something that made them major bank, which just happened to be inventing the basic modern conventions of the action rpg genre lol

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Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Jay Rust posted:

Bioshock 1 was good... to wipe my butt with

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