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Zero VGS posted:You know what, I glad Trump won, because with any luck he'll get us all nuked so I won't have to read these derails ever again. Still voting for asteroid 2018 so we can all enjoy a end to this mess.
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Alright nm guys lol, I hope for the best. If anybody is willing to discuss what a 25% tariff on semiconductors that directly implicate Nvidia might have on GPU availability I'm all ears, but for all other inquires apparently /pol/ is awaiting your valued input.
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nvidia is an american company largely supplied by countries we are on good terms with like korea and taiwan. Whatever counter tariffs you are thinking of are purely speculative and in your imagination until they are on paper and announced. You cant say "not trump" and then pretend like you arent talking about him. Just say "reeeeeeeeeee" because its getting the same point across. Price may get affected but availability will not, they arent going to stop making them. They charge more, i cant understand how this doesnt make sense to you Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Fauxtool posted:nvidia is an american company largely supplied by countries we are on good terms with like korea and taiwan. Whatever counter tariffs you are thinking of are purely speculative and in your imagination until they are on paper and announced. You cant say "not trump" and then pretend like you arent talking about him. Just say "reeeeeeeeeee" because its getting the same point across. Okay this is basically what I was asking, thanks. But I'm not sure why you think this is speculation since the list of affected industries is specifically outlined, Nvidia being an affected company (along with AMD for that matter in a larger way), and I'm curious about the impact this may have. For the most part video cards are in fact produced in China, even if the GPU core itself and ram is not. The only speculation here is whether or not it goes through, which is definitely outside of the scope of "GPU thread", and yes I will avoid the word Trump for that reason alone and I believe the proof that would be the right course of action here is in the posts above this one... and I mentioned I doubt the counter tariffs would go through for many, many (non GPU) reasons. But if it does, this brings up the question of where the real bill of materials style cost lies in a GPU. I'm guessing its actually the PCB and cooler. Also, since the chips are sent to China to be installed, where does the tax get levied? I imagine the ball is more or less in China's court on that one, but I have no idea. Maybe somebody here more familiar with tariffs can chime in because I feel like thats a big deal here. At what level does the "value" of an item get applied, and is it traditionally taxable there? That seems complicated, also due to the fact that the actual chips themselves don't necessarily have to have a lot of literal cash value.
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1gnoirents posted:and yes I will avoid the word Trump im going to avoid word trump, oh poo poo i said it again. Im so loving dumb help me If its being assembled and shipped as a completed product from the country with the tariff its being applied to that value. If its being assembled in the US its way cheaper. Golf clubs for instance avoid a lot of taxes by shipping the head and shaft separately and gluing in the US. Any company with sense will just move final packaging to another country to avoid the tariffs while continuing to do everything up to that point in china because if they dont the ones already in taiwan will have a price advantage Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Apr 4, 2018 19:42
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I just asked my mom if I was "so loving dumb" and she said "NO". I know she was serious too, because she yelled it from upstairs. She is always serious when she yells. Man these edits are getting hard to follow, but frankly that answer is fairly bleak 
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if you're a defeatist looking for reasons to be upset sure, but its actually going to be fine and nvidias profits will keeping going up while they make new gpus year after year any 3rd party manufacturer that doesnt adapt will lose sales and probably stop selling to the US. MSI, Gigabyte, Asus and EVGA will all be fine considering they arent chinese. Colorful and any other mainly chinese manufacturer will not. Mainly the pcb and cooler comes from China. Everything else that's expensive and hard to make doesnt. Your iphone will go up in price boo hoo
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Sounds like a bunch of dumb rash decisions that will benefit no one
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Sounds like a bunch of dumb rash decisions that wont benefit me personally in way i can immediately appreciate
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Apr 4, 2018 20:33
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 No more Trump posts or political arguments below this lineGo to D&D or C-SPAM or wherever tolerates that poo poo.
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I like gpu
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Alereon posted:
Definitely C-SPAM, they will be happy to consider your political opinions 
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1gnoirents posted:I like gpu I like green gpu. Unless red gpu is better. Then I like red gpu.
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I like blue GPU and Minecraft
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To push things forward, SemiAccurate claim to have the scoop on the PlayStation 5, which involves Navi architecture for GPU and a custom "Zen" for CPU. All specs aside, from which "year" should we expect the components to be? Are we talking 2017 components in the console or when is that usually locked in?
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ufarn posted:To push things forward, SemiAccurate claim to have the scoop on the PlayStation 5, which involves Navi architecture for GPU and a custom "Zen" for CPU. I’m guessing right after the PS4.5 was released, whenever that was
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ufarn posted:To push things forward, SemiAccurate claim to have the scoop on the PlayStation 5, which involves Navi architecture for GPU and a custom "Zen" for CPU. They've had good luck with AMD providing CPU/GPU, Zen is a nice upgrade that is very power efficient in the 2.5Ghz and below range, so thermals should be nice, and it really doesn't matter what GPU architecture they use as long as it has a good SDK and is faster than the current one. Dating things is tough, because Sony will target a spec and AMD will meet that spec in the lowest cost way, blending in whatever is needed, either tweaking off the shelf stuff (Zen CPU) or pulling a custom variant of an in development product (Navi). I can't read the article, so there are some performance impacting unknowns. How much memory and what type? Solid state storage or spiny (or a hybrid?)?.
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Nvidia isn’t releasing any gaming cards until 2019 at the earliest. All new cards will be mining/automotive/datacenter oriented and the cost and supply will only get worse as self driving vehicles continue to increase the distance they can drive without exploding or killing everyone within 100’ of the vehicle. Gaming cards will be based on these designs and thus have lower and lower generational improvements as the designs fundamentally change to accommodate tasks other than gaming as their primary purpose. WCCFTech please feel free to PM me ItBurns fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Apr 4, 2018 21:51
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Gaming is still the largest revenue segment for Nvidia, why on earth would they do that? Even if crypto mining stays a thing and they keep buying Pascal, you want the gamers to upgrade a some point. Some people here seem to think Nvidia would prefer to lose money if it meant pointlessly screwing over gamers. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Apr 4, 2018 21:59
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A significant part of ‘gaming’ revenue, potentially most of the last quarter shown, is actually mining and gaming is not going to experience the same growth as other sectors. Nvidia will still make cards next year just not as many and they’ll cost more. Nvidia loves making money which is why they’ll continue to pivot to customers who will pay more for the same parts (not gamers).
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MaxxBot posted:Gaming is still the largest revenue segment for Nvidia, why on earth would they do that? I don’t think they want to screw over gamers, just gamer: me. This is personal, I can feel it. On that graph I assume crypto miner purchases are under gaming since they buy those cards? Does anyone have good data on how many cards were bought by miners rather than gamers last winter?
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That image is from before the mining boom Nvidia just has weird fiscal years, it's from late 2016. There's absolutely no reason why Nvidia would stop making GPUs specifically for gaming when they already make separate chips for gaming, data center, and automotive. They've been going in the direction of making more specialized chips for different tasks, not fewer. Maybe they'd add a new chip just for buttmining if that stays big but they won't stop making gaming chips. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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gingerberger posted:I don’t think they want to screw over gamers, just gamer: me. This is personal, I can feel it. The nvidia mining craze started ~May 2017 when everything started booming bigtime, but you're going to have to start making inferences based on basically just that. They were still leaders prior to that with ~80% marketshare, which were used for gaming purposes - though the huge marketshare was simply AMD's fault at that point to make a very long story short. I dont doubt Nvidia prioritizes gaming discrete GPUs (used for gaming or not) because thats the primary metric used in shareholder meetings. Some resources are now diverted, to be sure, but doomsday isn't here yet.
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PC gaming is dead. Hoard your cards and prepare for the FPSpocalypse.
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I do agree that it could be a writing on the wall situation though. We are fortunate in a way that all the divisions of Nvidia now still share - roughly - the same basic technology. Once it becomes necessary to diverge to support another lucrative market (say if/when driverless cars take off) then things could take a sudden turn.
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Baleeted; didn’t see mod post
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Apr 4, 2018 22:53
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Nvidia doesn't have to push the envelope for the same reason Intel started milking their CPUs in 2011, AMD is so far behind they can just sit on it. I still think nvidia will release something this year but I wouldn't be surprised if they just rebadge Pascal. How long did the 8800GT last nvidia?
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Has NVidia ever rebadged anything? As in same process, same architecture, new model number? Edit: like with a whole fleet of cards not some one-off laptop chip
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Zero VGS posted:Has NVidia ever rebadged anything? As in same process, same architecture, new model number? 600-700 series was the last I remember, though it was done "properly" by moving model numbers. It wasn't all the cards but basically it was a big rebrand.
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1gnoirents posted:600-700 series was the last I remember, though it was done "properly" by moving model numbers. It wasn't all the cards but basically it was a big rebrand. This reminds me of something I was curious about recently - is there any known reason Nvidia stopped doing ‘G_2__’ refreshes of GPU lines? Pascal won’t have one, and Maxwell basically didn’t unless you count the 750 Ti as a ‘generation’. But both Fermi and Kepler did before. I guess Tesla didn’t either, but still seems odd to do the practice reliably for 4 years in a row and then stop.
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Zero VGS posted:Has NVidia ever rebadged anything? As in same process, same architecture, new model number? Kepler was the last lineup-wide rebrand (excluding the 780/780 Ti, which were on GK110, which was formerly a Titan-only chip). Rebrands have persisted in at least a few niches like mobile and OEM cards for a little longer. It's not a one-off thing though, there were a lot of rebrands in the 900-series mobile lineup and they're even starting to push Maxwell into 10-series mobile chips too (I for one would like to see this practice eradicated entirely, even including mobile+OEM SKUs). Space Racist posted:This reminds me of something I was curious about recently - is there any known reason Nvidia stopped doing ‘G_2__’ refreshes of GPU lines? Pascal won’t have one, and Maxwell basically didn’t unless you count the 750 Ti as a ‘generation’. But both Fermi and Kepler did before. I guess Tesla didn’t either, but still seems odd to do the practice reliably for 4 years in a row and then stop. Well, since Kepler, NVIDIA has been pushing a full lineup every generation, they're no longer doing multiple generations on a single uarch like they did during Tesla, Fermi, and Kepler. If you want to be technical though, there were more or less three distinct series of Maxwell - GM107/GM108, the GM200/GM204 with updates to the SM engines, and then GM206 with its new PureVideo core. Each of those is a distinction similar to what NVIDIA used to increment the chip series number for back in Kepler and preceding generations (eg the difference between, say, GK107 and GK208). edit, bonus trivia: there is a little-known GM108 chip on first-generation Maxwell as well, it got used in a few mobile SKUs and is now branded as the 10-series MX110 and MX130. Forgot about that one! (much like everyone else) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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MaxxBot posted:That image is from before the mining boom Nvidia just has weird fiscal years, it's from late 2016. There's absolutely no reason why Nvidia would stop making GPUs specifically for gaming when they already make separate chips for gaming, data center, and automotive. NVIDIA just reported FY 2018Q4 like last month or something. Their fiscal year is more or less one year ahead of the calendar year. It was roughly something like Datacenter - $680M, Gaming - $1800M, every other segment - $100-200M each. So still mostly gaming, but some of that is crypto too, with Datacenter climbing rapidly and meeting within 1-3 years. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Zero VGS posted:Has NVidia ever rebadged anything? As in same process, same architecture, new model number? I remembered there having been some drama over 8800 cards so I did some googling and came across this:
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Machine learning and AI is going to be huge in the next few years, so that data center figure is only going to keep growing. The question is if it will be bigger than gaming ? I’m guessing yes, obviously, but willing to hear counterpoints
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Yeah, see, if you are "modding" or "shrinking" a die then that doesn't count as a rebrand, sorry. By that standard, AMD has been rebranding the same die since like 2012 or some poo poo. And no, for once I'm not bagging on AMD here, that's a bullshit standard. Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Machine learning and AI is going to be huge in the next few years, so that data center figure is only going to keep growing. The question is if it will be bigger than gaming ? Assuming it keeps growing at the present rate then yes, in 1-3 years.
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Fair point, but the question there was has Nvidia done any rebranding. The 8800 -> 9x00 thing was kinda of a big deal when it happened.
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