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I always imagined him looking and sounding sort of like John Wayne.
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Fangz posted:In the original version of the story, he was just a nameless guy that stabbed Jesus when he was already dead, to make sure. In later versions he was a named guy who stabbed Jesus and was *cursed with blindness* as a result. 12 century sources invented the version where Longinus was healed from blindness, *and you can too, if you purchase the use of the Holy Sponge*... Except according to myth, they planned on breaking Jesus's legs, but since was dead, they just lightly stabbed him to confirm he wasn't asleep or something
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Yeah but it explains why they had guys with spears hanging around the crucifying hill I guess.
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Aphrodite posted:If you're getting blood in your eyes that's terrible spear form. I'm more of a two short spears kinda guy so the red tassels catch most of the blood.
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Breaking crucification victims' legs is also an act of mercy. Generally it results in rapid loss of consciousness and death from suffocation, as opposed to prolonged death over days from exposure.
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If they're just going to mercy kill everybody, why even crucify in the first place?
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Just because the boss says you need to crucify this dude, doesn't mean Joe Legionnaire wants to spend 3 days listening to him slowly suffocate.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:If they're just going to mercy kill everybody, why even crucify in the first place? Basically in the gospels they had a change of heart after they had Jesus crucified and wanted it all over and done with. There's varying interpretations you could have - maybe cooler heads prevailed, maybe Jesus was becoming too much of a martyr, maybe they just had a party coming up and having people slowly dying on the cross harshes that vibe... EDIT: ^^^ The Jews who wanted Jesus killed explicitly requested the leg breaking from the Roman authorities.
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Endless Mike posted:PROTIP: A writer/director/artist/musician could make the last five minutes of their work describing in explicit detail the themes and meanings of the movie and people would still do this. That's exactly what happened in On Deadly Ground. That film was loving awful.
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Everyone got the Superman = Jesus metaphor when he fell outta the space ship in T formation in Man of Steel. I think most people have just concluded that it's a poo poo metaphor and would rather move on. Aphrodite posted:Cumberbatch. I liked Dr. Strange. And he really did a good job in Ragnarok. Infinity War is like the tiebreaker. Also I don't remember anything about Norton in Incredible Hulk that would explain why someone would think he's vastly superior to Ruffalo. I can see preferring him if you're just an Ed Norton guy, but WAY better is a stretch.
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I used to think Norton was a good banner, but looking at the way they're using the character now he's way too smug all the time and doesn't have the comedic chops imo
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site posted:I used to think Norton was a good banner, but looking at the way they're using the character now he's way too smug all the time and doesn't have the comedic chops imo Norton was good for the Banner they were going for in Incredible Hulk; twitchy, paranoid, barely contained, desperate. He was basically an exposed nerve. Ruffalo is good for subsequent Banners; beaten, resigned, depressive, borderline nihilistic in The Avengers. Sadder, fearful of himself and the potential damage he could do, still resigned but less nihilistically so in Age of Ultron. Scared of losing himself to the Hulk, but somewhat more relaxed and sure of himself as Banner in Thor: Ragnarok. And, of course, Ragnarok gave Ruffalo a chance to do some actual acting as Hulk, imbuing him with a kind of childlike petulance, glee, and insecurity.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Ruffalo is the first person to make me care about the Hulk  every scene in Ragnarok where Thor is using Banner and Hulk to get what he needs is brilliant,Norton's good but i prefer ruffallo,he's much more likeable.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Ruffalo is the first person to make me care about the Hulk
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Back after Avengers 1 someone I can't remember pointed out the genius of Ruffalo's Banner is that unlike the others, "sometimes you don't want him to change," and it's brilliant.
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There was no real uproar over Norton being passed over for Avengers. His rep was enough that nobody wanted to work with him. And it's a shame because at the time he was still among my absolute favorite actors.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:
idk I could see Norton channeling some of his character's tone in Death to Smoochy which is incredibly endearing. He actually does comedy and earnestness really well.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:If they're just going to mercy kill everybody, why even crucify in the first place? This was incredibly common for every brutal execution method throughout history. It was often relatively rare in most jurisdictions for the more gruesome forms of execution to actually be carried out as described in the legal code. People who were going to be burned at the stake were often quietly strangled first (or, in later centuries, had small bags of gunpowder tied to their throats!), people who were going to be broken on the wheel were usually executed by head trauma or strangulation before being lashed to the wheel, people who were supposed to be half-hanged, drawn, and quartered were, as often as not, fully hanged and just had their corpses mutilated, etc. There were a lot of reasons for this, some humane, some commercial; for the professional executioner, long bouts of torture were both psychologically damaging, difficult, and tedious. Like most job positions in pre-Modern society, most executioners were born to the job by class and caste rather than seeking it out for the love of killing, and they were often remarkably humane and companionable, within the limits of their duties, to their victims; they often shared the last meal with the condemned, had long talks with them on the way to the execution place, and provided as much spiritual guidance and practical advice to the dying person as a priest or ordinary. There were also a lot of monetary benefits to being a merciful killer; there are easy ways and hard ways to die with even the most brutal forms of execution, and people whose families could be induced to pay could usually secure relatively easy deaths for their loved ones. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Nodosaur posted:You know, the whole Superman as Christ thing that Snyder and other writers are big on always felt kind of... appropriative to me, given he was a creation of two Jewish writers as a response to the idea of a racist ubermensch and the fact his backstory has more in common with Moses than the Messiah.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:This was incredibly common for every brutal execution method throughout history. It was often relatively rare in most jurisdictions for the more gruesome forms of execution to actually be carried out as described in the legal code. People who were going to be burned at the stake were often quietly strangled first (or, in later centuries, had small bags of gunpowder tied to their throats!), people who were going to be broken on the wheel were usually executed by head trauma or strangulation before being lashed to the wheel, people who were supposed to be half-hanged, drawn, and quartered were, as often as not, fully hanged and just had their corpses mutilated, etc. This is interesting as gently caress, is there a book about it or something?
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Samuringa posted:This is interesting as gently caress, is there a book about it or something? Dan Carlin did a podcast on the subject a few months ago, which is boss as hell, and most of his listed sources are worth reading as well, especially The Faithful Executioner: Life and Death, Honor and Shame in the Turbulent Sixteenth Century by Joel F. Harrington, and The Hanging Tree: Execution and the English People 1770-1868 By V. A. C. Gatrell, which is available for free online. Also, Neal Stephenson's three volume Baroque Cycle is a fictional work that touches on a lot of it, especially the last half of the last book and the character of Jack Ketch, which is what got me interested in the subject in the first place.
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Yeah there's a pretty good excerpt from the Faithful Executioner here, fascinating subject: https://longreads.com/2013/09/12/what-life-was-like-for-an-executioners-family-in-the/
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I know it's off topic, but thank you for this. I'm enthralled.
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Rhyno posted:There was no real uproar over Norton being passed over for Avengers. His rep was enough that nobody wanted to work with him. And it's a shame because at the time he was still among my absolute favorite actors. I was about to say Norton should've won Best Actor (for American History X) instead of Roberto Benigni, but then I thought, was that the year Ian McKellan was up for Gods & Monsters? I don't remember, but he should have won if he was. If not, Norton should have won.
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https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/981607387256602624 Steve should have grown the beard a long time
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Carlosologist posted:https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/981607387256602624 I'd be fine if these were the main protagonists, honestly.
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Why is one picture a butt
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Rubiks Pubes posted:Why is one picture a butt it's steve's butt
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Arist posted:it's steve's butt You're correct, it is attached to the rest of Bucky.
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I am going to be unreasonably sad when any of them die. Even Rhodey and Nebula.
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Finally got to see Black Panther, not too much I can really say that hasn't been said before. "The sun will never set on the Wakandan Empire" was incredibly on the nose, but effectively drew its parallels. Thought the pacing was a little uneven in spots, but other than that I'd say it was excellent, can't wait for Infinity War.
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Avengers dead pool ITT
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Steve can't die until he gets the shield back.
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howe_sam posted:Steve can't die until he gets the shield back. I don't think they're going to make the shield an irreplaceable object like it is in the comics. He can still be Cap without it.
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Rhyno posted:I don't think they're going to make the shield an irreplaceable object like it is in the comics. He can still be Cap without it. He can, but it would help set up a replacement if they want to go down that road.
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Autism Sneaks posted:Avengers dead pool ITT Mantis
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Doctor Spaceman posted:He can, but it would help set up a replacement if they want to go down that road. We are all making a pretty huge assumption that they are going that route. But yeah, handing off the shield makes it possible but they are already dismissing the importance of unique, irreplaceable objects in the MCU.
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