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JBP posted:I'd rather that corporate entities were democratically run by the workers than relying on the Greens to give me money.
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Periphery posted:The level of thought that went into writing this is astounding considering how mind-numbingly dumb it is. You're assuming there was much thought at all, that smacks of talking-points from a helpful adviser. Oh no not the UBI advocates from the left, they're the bad UBI advocates. This is a "why are you bothering us about this again" kind of thought bubble.
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Apr 5, 2018 00:44
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hooman posted:Now who's the pie in the sky idealist? I was just thinking while we are at the green wishing tree I might pop in my two bobs worth 
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Apr 5, 2018 00:54
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If you have to be told that one of the key objectives of any UBI program, beyond keeping people from starving, is the generation of economic growth via social uplift; or that you offset any money handed out to people who don't need it via taxation*, then you're not qualified to loving comment. *Of course, this hinges on the state actually enforcing taxation on the rich, but that's really not that hard once you re-gear the apparatus away from protecting capital to protecting society as a whole.
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Apr 5, 2018 00:59
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I don't get how difficult it is to sell a message of "we are going to give you money and we are going to tax corporations and other people to get it"
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Apr 5, 2018 01:02
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NPR Journalizard posted:I don't get how difficult it is to sell a message of "we are going to give you money and we are going to tax corporations and other people to get it" It's a lot easier when you don't have the entire rest of your party screaming over you about whatever pet issue they have, that may or may not actually be any concern to your base, if you even knew what that was.
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Apr 5, 2018 01:05
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NPR Journalizard posted:I don't get how difficult it is to sell a message of "we are going to give you money and we are going to tax corporations and other people to get it" Undeserving poor, you shouldn't punish people for being successful, etc etc Plus it's a huge change to the way society works and that kind of thing isn't an easy sell.
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Apr 5, 2018 01:09
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The people’s bank idea is dumb though. Low rates for people with equity isn’t going to improve housing affordability for those struggling to save a deposit.
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NPR Journalizard posted:I don't get how difficult it is to sell a message of "we are going to give you money and we are going to tax corporations and other people to get it" That's not the problem. The problem is to sell to the corporations that it is in their economic interests to have people with money to buy their products and UBI is a way to achieve that. Otherwise, what will happen is that their target market keeps shrinking as the percentage of people who have the money continues to shrink, and that is even more difficult to sell to markets as a sign of growth. Sooner or later either the system collapses or they figure this out. Unfortunately the corporations got to the politicians first and now we have about two generations worth of neoliberals to get through.
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Apr 5, 2018 01:21
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It's true, you do have to be careful about just raising the floor on housing affordability without means testing. It's far better to work on the supply side, by killing off incentives to own multiple properties.
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bigis posted:The people’s bank idea is dumb though. Low rates for people with equity isn’t going to improve housing affordability for those struggling to save a deposit. yeah this was my thought as well. build more inner city/ inner suburb apartments IMO (unironically, this is what we need to do to make poo poo more affordable)
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The Before Times posted:yeah this was my thought as well. Which is why the developers won't wanna do it. While houses are selling for 200-400% of their real value, they're all making massive bank. So they'll stick to luxury apartments in the cbd maybe, but blocks of cheaper flats in the inner suburbs? NIMBYs hate them, they drive down property values (good) and also make said inner suburbs less exclusively white and upper-middle class. That's why you don't see anyone building apartment blocks that aren't targeted and rich assholes anymore. Edit: This may not apply to Melbourne and Sydney, but definitely Perth and probably Brisbane, Adelaide.
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it's also stymied by council approvals. councils are supposed to work for the people who voted them in (ie current residents) so it's in their interests not to approve a lot of cheaper apartment blocks in inner ring suburbs
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JBP posted:I was just thinking while we are at the green wishing tree I might pop in my two bobs worth If only we had the greens wishing tree, there would be so many good ideas we could trial, so many positive changes we could make. Instead we've got the racist potato plant.
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Apr 5, 2018 01:56
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Guardian Au posted:Five Labor MPs have used their taxpayer-funded publication allowance to pay thousands of dollars to a Labor-aligned thinktank. Federal Icac for the love of god please.
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Apr 5, 2018 02:11
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Don Dongington posted:Edit: This may not apply to Melbourne and Sydney, but definitely Perth and probably Brisbane, Adelaide. Yeah, it's pretty much the opposite of what is happening in Sydney; there are a loving shitload of apartments going up along the Bankstown line and around Waterloo / Alexandria. The Guardian posted:[M]ore than 350 cranes were at work in Sydney, more than half of the total in the whole of Australia, of which 85% were involved in residential construction. And in contrast to other Australian cities, they are spread throughout the suburbs rather than concentrating in the central business district. In 2016, for the first time, more apartments than houses were built in Australia, and Sydney, where flats now account for 28% of housing, is well ahead of the average.
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Meanwhile at The Courier Mail.Now more than ever, we need unions posted:A STORM, one that would eventually engulf the nation, was brewing. What the gently caress 
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Is that the same writer who did that anti-Dutton piece a while back? I thought that was Courier too, maybe I'm misremembering
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Courier Mail, Woke??? I think part of it, at least a little bit, is like, kids coming up through journalism aren't hard right, so it's either them or printing blank pages when your staff dies E: same for readers
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Anidav posted:Meanwhile at The Courier Mail. What the actual gently caress is going on - whats the strategic angle for this. Doesnt make any sense at all
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Knorth posted:Is that the same writer who did that anti-Dutton piece a while back? I thought that was Courier too, maybe I'm misremembering Yeah, Paul Syvret seems to have generally good takes on things although I assume someone's going to milkshake duck him given I've just said that.
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Always worth mentioning: That the non-unionists who were trained in Dubai got the arse and no compensation/remuneration from Patricks. Never side with the bosses. The press howled derision at the union picket lines for allowing their children to participate and get attacked by rabid private security dogs.  The architect was one Peter Reith. The same sack of poo poo who knowingly fabricated children overboard and repeatedly lied to Parliament and the Nation at large about it. Lying Nasty Polakovs
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All our outlets doin' a reverse New York Times when faced with the new overt rise of fascism
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ABC flips hard right News Limited flips hard left How much alcohol will you need?
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Anidav posted:ABC flips hard right None, Aunty's been trending racist for years. Rupes flipping hard left would be a loving victory for the ages.
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Apr 5, 2018 03:59
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Isn't Rupes half dead though e: more so than usual
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Knobb Manwich posted:Isn't Rupes half dead though Any update on that hosed up old bastard?
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I often wonder about this....quote:
http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/whats-this-oval office-on-about-now/
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hooman posted:None, Aunty's been trending racist for years. Rupes flipping hard left would be a loving victory for the ages. *rubs magic lamp* http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43626213 posted:Murdoch proposes Sky News sale to Disney
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Apr 5, 2018 04:31
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Apr 5, 2018 04:32
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young greens are pissed off and wrote a letter to the federal party room asking them to strip the education portfolio from SHY because apparently she’s useless. this letter was of course handed to the australian. any inside perspectives?
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On topic of UBI chat, Kurzgesagt did a good video a couple of weeks ago on why it's in all of our best interests for as many people as possible to be well off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvskMHn0sqQ
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BBJoey posted:young greens are pissed off and wrote a letter to the federal party room asking them to strip the education portfolio from SHY because apparently she’s useless. this letter was of course handed to the australian. any inside perspectives? someone in the AYG facebook group leaked it as well as the 'marked up' version of the SHY response that someone did--the leak is explicitly against the fb group user agreement--so the AYG are pretty pissed that the letter was leaked too. The Before Times fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Do the Greens actually have any method of enforcing discipline or is it just a "grassroots" free for all clusterfuck, because it seems like that is what it is.
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The only good argument against UBI is that it would be means tested by a government that keeps proposing piss tests for welfare recipients
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JBP posted:Do the Greens actually have any method of enforcing discipline or is it just a "grassroots" free for all clusterfuck, because it seems like that is what it is. Yeah, if you gently caress up in the Greens you're forced to run as an MP
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The Before Times posted:someone in the AYG facebook group leaked it as well as the 'marked up' version of the SHY response that someone did--the leak is explicitly against the fb group user agreement--so the AYG are pretty pissed that the letter was leaked too. marking up the response is such a pitch perfect example of the kind of tedious pieces of poo poo you find youth wings of political parties, it’s quite impressive e: i bet if you asked the person who marked up the response if they wanted members of parliament to speak honestly without intermediaries they’d give you an emphatic yes - but pointing out minor typos and grammatical errors is precisely why politicians use poo poo like talking points and form responses BBJoey fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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bell jar posted:Yeah, if you gently caress up in the Greens you're forced to run as an MP
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The Peccadillo posted:The only good argument against UBI is that it would be means tested by a government that keeps proposing piss tests for welfare recipients Umm, if it's a UBI, there's no means-testing.
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