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If the government gave me 35k a year for doing nothing I'd work two days a week at some dumb job, crank my hog, play video games and chill forever.
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UrbanLabyrinth posted:Umm, if it's a UBI, there's no means-testing. You'd think so, but the safety net we got already is brutally, brutally policed
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The whole point is universal means universal, no tests besides maybe whether you exist Saves so much time and money in means testing and bureaucracy
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Plus they'd probably find drugs more often in wealthy people.
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BBJoey posted:marking up the response is such a pitch perfect example of the kind of tedious pieces of poo poo you find youth wings of political parties, it’s quite impressive that's the thing--the markup was a joke (i.e. haha it's a lovely letter written by the education portfolio) and was never intended for public consumption, because out of that context it's not funny and gives the impression that the AYG are all a bunch of pedantic children, when really, only some of us are.
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Inescapable Duck posted:The whole point is universal means universal, no tests besides maybe whether you exist I think there'd have to be some testing around relationships at least - MrsMachineGun hasn't worked for years now but doesn't claim Centrelink and doesn't have to as I make enough to support the both of us. If we got UBI and she started getting a wage (and I wouldn't get any extra, which is fair enough) it'd feel a little weird. Would that be a scenario we're cool with? I'm certainly not rich or anything but I'm sure there's plenty of people out there with wealthy partners who don't work and don't need to.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:I think there'd have to be some testing around relationships at least - MrsMachineGun hasn't worked for years now but doesn't claim Centrelink and doesn't have to as I make enough to support the both of us. Wow that's pretty sexist.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:I think there'd have to be some testing around relationships at least - MrsMachineGun hasn't worked for years now but doesn't claim Centrelink and doesn't have to as I make enough to support the both of us. Uh ... No? One of the benefits is that it takes out a lot of the issues around stay at home parenting and domestic duties as an unpaid social labour. Your wife works, she just doesn't get loving paid for it. edit: It can also be seen as a driver for gender equality because there's no faffing about with maternity or paternity entitlements, whoever wants to can stay home, or you can take turns for as long as you want, or you can go back to work and get child care like people already do without having your income slashed in third/half/pick a number by the childcare fees.
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Here's something to make y'all woke as gently caress: All politicians and their hangers-ons including party members, are bad, no matter where they are in the political spectrum. I hope this has woken you all up. You can thank me later
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Thank Mr WokeUp
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G-Spot Run posted:Uh ... No? and, ideally, any 'spare money' will make it back into the economy anyway
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MysticalMachineGun posted:I think there'd have to be some testing around relationships at least - MrsMachineGun hasn't worked for years now but doesn't claim Centrelink and doesn't have to as I make enough to support the both of us. Yes, your stay at home wife should be allocated some money from the public coffer too
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G-Spot Run posted:Youur wife works, she just doesn't get loving paid for it.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:(and I wouldn't get any extra, which is fair enough) it'd feel a little weird. You would get it as well though?
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JBP posted:If the government gave me 35k a year for doing nothing I'd work two days a week at some dumb job, crank my hog, play video games and chill forever. so business as usual then
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bell jar posted:so business as usual then yeah but id earn a lot less money
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Fair enough, just floating it as a thought. If it ever gained traction in Australia you know that would be (one of) the tacks they'd use on Today Tonight, ACA, et al. And sorry, I should've said MrsMG hasn't been in paid employment for years, of course she works.
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JBP posted:If the government gave me 35k a year for doing nothing I'd work two days a week at some dumb job, crank my hog, play video games and chill forever. Yeah that's kinda the point.
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I'm losing my mind about this, there exists the resources to feed, house and clothe every man woman and child in the world, gently caress off with your keepaway games
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The Peccadillo posted:I'm losing my mind about this, there exists the resources to feed, house and clothe every man woman and child in the world, gently caress off with your keepaway games 
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The Peccadillo posted:I'm losing my mind about this, there exists the resources to feed, house and clothe every man woman and child in the world, gently caress off with your keepaway games I like you.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah that's kinda the point. It shouldn't be. The idea that we live in a world ripe for post-scarcity television watching automated utopia is absurd on it's face. There are plenty of jobs that desperately need doing, the problem is that our consumer based economy doesn't value them. Selling UBI as a means to not end, but prop up consumerism is irresponsible.
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The Peccadillo posted:I'm losing my mind about this, there exists the resources to feed, house and clothe every man woman and child in the world, gently caress off with your keepaway games Paying everyone in the first world to sit on their arse is not the way to achieve this.
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The Peccadillo posted:I'm losing my mind about this, there exists the resources to feed, house and clothe every man woman and child in the world, gently caress off with your keepaway games But the free meerkat Amethyst posted:It shouldn't be. The idea that we live in a world ripe for post-scarcity television watching automated utopia is absurd on it's face. There are plenty of jobs that desperately need doing, the problem is that our consumer based economy doesn't value them. Selling UBI as a means to not end, but prop up consumerism is irresponsible. lol. if you're a socialist why do you have A IPHONE??????
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[sees ubi] if this happens, nobody will do anything other than sit on their arse, society will stop, won't someone think of the vaguely defined jobs that need doing
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Amethyst posted:Paying everyone in the first world to sit on their arse is not the way to achieve this. My job achieves a huge net loss to society once you take into consideration the amount of people I assist to stay obese and addicted to cigarettes. Eliminating my job and every job like it will greatly help the world overall.
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if every one sit's on their arses how are we gonna fund ubi!!!!!! what a pipe dream
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bell jar posted:lol. if you're a socialist why do you have A IPHONE?????? You have a knack for reducing every possible argument down to a particularly dumbarsed, thought-terminating sound bite. You should take up politics.
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Amethyst posted:It shouldn't be. The idea that we live in a world ripe for post-scarcity television watching automated utopia is absurd on it's face. There are plenty of jobs that desperately need doing, the problem is that our consumer based economy doesn't value them. Selling UBI as a means to not end, but prop up consumerism is irresponsible. I mean we were talking about someone working part-time instead of full-time but sure, that clearly requires the Culture to be sustainable.
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Amethyst posted:Paying everyone in the first world to sit on their arse is not the way to achieve this. gently caress off with this "paying" idea. I have a right to the good thing in life
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Zenithe posted:My job achieves a huge net loss to society once you take into consideration the amount of people I assist stay obese and addicted to cigarettes. Eliminating my job and every job like it will greatly help the world overall. Witness the incredible collective ambition fostered by decades of consumerism, everyone. Zero net impact is the best we can achieve.
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Amethyst posted:You have a knack for reducing every possible argument down to a particularly dumbarsed, thought-terminating sound bite. You should take up politics. i am simply a mirror
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The Peccadillo posted:gently caress off with this "paying" idea. Oh ok good let's take basic words like "payment" off the table because it makes you upset. Great talk everyone. Glad I took part in this cry sesh.
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Also, you don't have the right to 'the good thing in life" you have the right to food and shelter and healthcare.
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I think part of the idea of UBI, though, is giving people time to do enriching activities that aren't just 'jobs for the sake of having a job'. Think of the art, music, literature even science that came out of bored aristocrats (albeit a long time ago now), and imagine how much good could be generated by giving people the time and space to actually pursue their interests without needing to do something else to pay the bills.
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yes, a bunch of us would just sit on our arses watching netflix all day but a whole lot of people would be out there actually making and doing cool poo poo.
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The Before Times posted:I think part of the idea of UBI, though, is giving people time to do enriching activities that aren't just 'jobs for the sake of having a job'. Think of the art, music, literature even science that came out of bored aristocrats (albeit a long time ago now), and imagine how much good could be generated by giving people the time and space to actually pursue their interests without needing to do something else to pay the bills. No you don't understand, there are Jobs that need to be Done, and we need every human at the grind at all times for this to happen. Also consumerism is bad for undefined reasons
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I mean, if you give people money, they will simply just stop contributing to the economy, they will just ??? with that money and society will end
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bell jar posted:Also consumerism is bad for undefined reasons Come the gently caress on.
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