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Bell jar is such an incredibly stupid person I can hardly believe it.
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do you want to elaborate on why people purchasing things is bad
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Apr 5, 2018 06:28
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If we could find a way to tip the scales from having to "work to live" to "working if you want to" even a little that would be a good thing IMO. Some weeks with overtime and other things it feels like I barely get any time with my daughter and that is not good OP
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or do you just want to throw your hands up in the air while people don't understand your incredibly smooth brained opinions
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Don't engage Amethyst
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bell jar posted:do you want to elaborate on why people purchasing things is bad No i'm done with this discussion and have moved onto the part where i marvel at the miracle that you somehow remember to breathe. You imbecile. You useless loving toad.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:29
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here's a cool question, would there be consumerism under communism or socialism, would that be bad, why
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Apr 5, 2018 06:29
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UBI: Universal Bolsheviek Initiative - give everyone an AK-47 so we can overthrow the government and have Full Gay Luxury Space Communism Now.
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Amethyst posted:Oh ok good let's take basic words like "payment" off the table because it makes you upset. Great talk everyone. Glad I took part in this cry sesh. Think of it more as enabling everyone to have the life they deserve, not the life they're in
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Amethyst posted:No i'm done with this discussion and have moved onto the part where i marvel at the miracle that you somehow remember to breathe. You imbecile. You useless loving toad. its not really a discussion if you fart into a thread and people tell you your fart stinks. more of an observation on your stinky farts
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Apr 5, 2018 06:29
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MysticalMachineGun posted:If we could find a way to tip the scales from having to "work to live" to "working if you want to" even a little that would be a good thing IMO. You'd still get more money for working though, which would be enough reason for many I think.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:30
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The Peccadillo posted:I'm losing my mind about this, there exists the resources to feed, house and clothe every man woman and child in the world, gently caress off with your keepaway games The irony is that if you provide those resources to everyone, there won’t be the workforce to maintain or provide the food, housing and clothing for everyone in the world. Maybe in another 20 years when robots become more sophisticated and can manage these tasks with no human interaction.
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Pinball Jizzard posted:The irony is that if you provide those resources to everyone, there won’t be the workforce to maintain or provide the food, housing and clothing for everyone in the world. Why?
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Apr 5, 2018 06:31
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Don't all the current, real-world examples of UBI have people working whilst receiving it and shock, everyone still works normally?
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Apr 5, 2018 06:31
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X13Fen posted:Don't all the current, real-world examples of UBI have people working whilst receiving it and shock, everyone still works normally? No, all their societies stopped because everyone is a hedonist and finds no greater pleasure in life than buying whitegoods, jacking off and playing videogames
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Apr 5, 2018 06:32
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bell jar posted:its not really a discussion if you fart into a thread and people tell you your fart stinks. more of an observation on your stinky farts A huge smelly fart would be better company than you. Everything you type is a waste. you are the best argument against UBI anyone could possibly propose. Any economic system that supports your existence is an abomination.
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bell jar posted:here's a cool question, would there be consumerism under communism or socialism, would that be bad, why if you boil consumerism down to 'people acquiring stuff not because they need it but because they want it' then yes, consumerism would absolutely exist, even in a situation where notionally everything belongs to the state (hint: there's always private property because humans are humans and my pile of rocks needs to be bigger than your pile of rocks)
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Apr 5, 2018 06:33
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bell jar posted:No, all their societies stopped because everyone is a hedonist and finds no greater pleasure in life than buying whitegoods, jacking off and playing videogames Oh, my mistake
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The Before Times posted:if you boil consumerism down to 'people acquiring stuff not because they need it but because they want it' then yes, consumerism would absolutely exist, even in a situation where notionally everything belongs to the state (hint: there's always private property because humans are humans and my pile of rocks needs to be bigger than your pile of rocks) ding ding ding ding! correct answer. people will always want to have things that they don;'t need because we're not robots and it makes us happy. the problem comes from the imbalance of power between consumer and producer, there's no inherent bad in consumerism (hope that puts a wrinkle in your brain amy)
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Apr 5, 2018 06:35
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Amethyst posted:A huge smelly fart would be better company than you. Everything you type is a waste. you are the best argument against UBI anyone could possibly propose. Any economic system that supports your existence is an abomination. Turn your monitor on
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Apr 5, 2018 06:35
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UBI for people that want it. Hard work and bad pensions for everyone else.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:36
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I'm all the people living happily on thirty five loving thousand dollars a year in TYOOL 2018 and still choosing not to work in a chosen field if the opportunity presents itself
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Apr 5, 2018 06:36
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MysticalMachineGun posted:If we could find a way to tip the scales from having to "work to live" to "working if you want to" even a little that would be a good thing IMO. How about "abolish work"
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GoldStandardConure posted:UBI: Universal Bolsheviek Initiative - give everyone an AK-47 so we can overthrow the government and have Full Gay Luxury Space Communism Now. AK-47s for evvvverybooody *Woooooohhhhoooo* c&cgenerals.midi
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Apr 5, 2018 06:37
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I would 10000% go part time (like .6 or .8 fte) if I could afford to and still be just as productive as I am now, if not more productive.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:40
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Can all immigrants that come into the country claim UBI?
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Apr 5, 2018 06:41
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Romeo Charlie posted:Can all immigrants that come into the country claim UBI? Yes, but you have to leave
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Apr 5, 2018 06:42
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Zenithe posted:You'd still get more money for working though, which would be enough reason for many I think. Oh absolutely. I'd keep my job if UBI were a thing since I'm not exactly working in the salt mines here. It may enable me to take more leave without pay since with a young and growing family all my leave gets taken up already. The Peccadillo posted:How about "abolish work" God that would rule
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Apr 5, 2018 06:44
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The Before Times posted:I would 10000% go part time (like .6 or .8 fte) if I could afford to and still be just as productive as I am now, if not more productive. This was my initial thoughts too. There is probably nothing really stopping me trying to negotiate it even now, but having a UBI as guaranteed income would be nice padding.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:47
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Some good news for a change. https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/981733081093619712
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I know very little about UBI but wouldn’t CPI go up and everyone’s buying power stay relatively the same? Also your average joe would probably just take on more housing debt with that extra money so it wouldn’t be spent productively.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:48
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bigis posted:Also your average joe would probably buy more booze with that extra money so it would go straight back into taxes
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Apr 5, 2018 06:50
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UBI would allow me to not worry about making rent every single time I have complications related to my MS and meds come up, and maybe even let me buy such extravagences as a mattress from this century that isn't full of holes or be able to afford regular servicing for my car. Seriously I'm at a point where I don't think I'll ever have any sort of advance or upgrade to my life without UBI becoming a thing, especially since brain/spine damage disorder doesn't even put you remotely close to getting on disability in this country anymore.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:51
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meteor9 posted:UBI would allow me to not worry about making rent every single time I have complications related to my MS and meds come up, and maybe even let me buy such extravagences as a mattress from this century that isn't full of holes or be able to afford regular servicing for my car. What you need is an uncompromised universal healthcare system.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:53
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Amethyst posted:What you need is an uncompromised universal healthcare system. Medicine doesn't come with a free car and house when you can't work.
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Amethyst who is blocked but for some reason I'm poking back at it posted:What you need is an uncompromised universal healthcare system. I'm getting treatment already you disingenuous hack, I'm more worried about my wife and I being one step away from homeless every goddamn week.
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Apr 5, 2018 06:58
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JBP posted:Medicine doesn't come with a free car and house when you can't work. Just live in the hospital and travel by ambulance, idiot
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Apr 5, 2018 06:59
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Be honest, most of you either do nothing for anyone's benefit or actively make the world worse. You should not be rewarded with money over the homeless unemployed
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Apr 5, 2018 07:00
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bigis posted:I know very little about UBI but wouldn’t CPI go up and everyone’s buying power stay relatively the same? One trial in Mexico suggests that the effects would be measurable but not dramatic, and similar results were seen in Kuwait and Alaska.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The thread! What did you doooooo
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