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meteor9 posted:I'm getting treatment already you disingenuous hack, I'm more worried about my wife and I being one step away from homeless every goddamn week. Ok but you specifically talked about the cost of your medicine. Sounds like your problem is an inadequate healthcare system if that is the case. I hope you enjoyed clicking the “show blocked post” button to read this you enormous idiot, lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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beep boop i am unable to comprehend peoples personal circumstances why would you need money for job when healthcare is free. just take the days off work for treatment and live on medicine
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oh you have multiple sclerosis? why would you worry about paying for food and housing when you have free healthcarE?
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bell jar posted:beep boop i am unable to comprehend peoples personal circumstances why would you need money for job when healthcare is free. just take the days off work for treatment and live on medicine We aren't talking about basic welfare. We are talking about universal basic income. It's cool how i keep needing to explain the basic premise of the discussion so that idiots in the peanut gallery can pretend to keep up. Do I need to post a loving wikipedia link for you?
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bell jar posted:oh you have multiple sclerosis? why would you worry about paying for food and housing when you have free healthcarE? The dumbass above SPECIFICALLY talked about the cost of medicine. UBI is not an adequate solution to this, UHC is.
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Amethyst posted:Ok but you specifically talked about the cost of your medicine. Sounds like your problem is an inadequate healthcare system if that is the case. I did not specifically talk about the cost of my medicine ever. I specified my illness costs me work hours and I can't even afford basic loving comforts like a goddamn mattress even with trying to save up on good weeks. How are you not getting this? Unless you're suggesting that all diseases and disorders need to be 100% cured before we're allowed to have UBI or something stupid.
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Amethyst posted:We aren't talking about basic welfare. We are talking about universal basic income. 
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ubi isn't welfare, its just cash for people who can't work so they can afford to live, my name's amethyst and my brain cells are afraid of multiplying
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Amethyst posted:The dumbass above SPECIFICALLY talked about the cost of medicine. UBI is not an adequate solution to this, UHC is. You're a bit of a fountain pen today mate hey Someone who is too sick to work is not reimbursed for their lost labor under uhc. They may get medicine and that may fix the problem but for the period of time they were sick they do not earn an income. You're a smart person, how do you not see the link here?
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Amethyst posted:The dumbass above SPECIFICALLY talked about the cost of medicine. UBI is not an adequate solution to this, UHC is. Blah blah blah both are necessities
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meteor9 posted:I did not specifically talk about the cost of my medicine ever. I specified my illness costs me work hours and I can't even afford basic loving comforts like a goddamn mattress even with trying to save up on good weeks. How are you not getting this? Unless you're suggesting that all diseases and disorders need to be 100% cured before we're allowed to have UBI or something stupid. Obviously i believe in the need for a rational welfare system, i'm just not sure that an unconditional payment for every citizen regardless of employement or other circimstance is what that system looks like. ESPECIALLY if it's being sold as a way to maintain a socialy stagnant and ecologically destructive lifestyle for all.
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Amethyst posted:The dumbass above SPECIFICALLY talked about the cost of medicine. UBI is not an adequate solution to this, UHC is. No he didn't. Complications can relate to anything and the subtext in this post is clearly relating to being able to do paid hours. You can't do paid hours if your body is broken or you need to drug yourself up extremely hard. meteor9 posted:UBI would allow me to not worry about making rent every single time I have complications related to my MS and meds come up, and maybe even let me buy such extravagences as a mattress from this century that isn't full of holes or be able to afford regular servicing for my car.
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bell jar posted:ubi isn't welfare, its just cash for people who can't work so they can afford to live, my name's amethyst and my brain cells are afraid of multiplying Cool you literally don't know what we are talking about. Here's the wikipedia link you obviously need you massive moron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
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tithin posted:You're a bit of a fountain pen today mate hey If he figured it out then he'd have to stop insulting disabled people for questioning him.
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Amethyst posted:Cool you literally don't know what we are talking about. Here's the wikipedia link you obviously need you massive moron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income quote:A basic income (also called basic income guarantee, citizen's income, unconditional basic income, universal basic income (UBI), basic living stipend (BLS) or universal demogrant) is typically described as a new kind of welfare regime in which all citizens (or permanent residents) of a country receive a regular, liveable and unconditional sum of money, from the government lmao if youre this dumb unironically
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This might stop us replying to Amethyst https://twitter.com/AndrewJaffrey/status/981764639603109893
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I admit that i misread metor9's initial post lol sorry. He's still a tetchy little rear end in a top hat though.
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bell jar you IDIOT dont you know that the wikipedia definetion for ubi means it ISNT welfare [links to article calling it welfare in the first sentence] im amethist
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Doctor Spaceman posted:This might stop us replying to Amethyst Come on Petey. loving have a go.
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bell jar posted:lmao if youre this dumb unironically i didn't say ubi isn't welfare?!?!?!?!? I said it's distinct from the welfare system we currently (on paper) have. Which is obvious.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:And sorry, I should've said MrsMG hasn't been in paid employment for years, of course she works. That's just it though, "paid employment" is still dancing around the social construct of domestic labour as an "invalid" occupation. UBI isn't the only solution but it's a massive starting point to re framing the idea of 'work' from 'a lovely thing I do because I have to pay bills' to myriad contributions to social betterment. Maybe you're raising the next generation, maybe you're gardening and making the street look a little bit more fabulous, maybe you're just improving the vibe by staying home instead of dragging your misanthropic arse around town. edit: Oh yeah, and for periods of illness temporary, or permanent medical or other disability. I know a woman who worked through her cancer treatments in a loving lovely call centre because she was out of all leave entitlements and couldn't afford not to be making money. G-Spot Run fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:This might stop us replying to Amethyst https://twitter.com/samuelsays11/status/981769800824250368?s=19
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Amethyst is mad because he thought we were talking about socialised open world adventure games on home console and got caught out.
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Amethyst posted:I admit that i misread metor9's initial post lol sorry. He's still a tetchy little rear end in a top hat though. Why do you think you have forums cancer?
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Booo Can we still use it as an excuse to ignore Amethyst?
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why would parliament sitting dates affect L/NP party meetings? doesn't seem like it would
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tithin posted:You're a bit of a fountain pen today mate hey ok i am going to need this one explained to me
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bell jar posted:is it dutt on It is not Doctor Spaceman posted:Booo Yes
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Maybe I'm a bit annoyed that I have to somehow get a sick certificate today despite barely being able to stand, but I'm pretty sure the real rear end in a top hat is the guy claiming that disabled people are being whiny.
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meteor9 posted:Maybe I'm a bit annoyed that I have to somehow get a sick certificate today despite barely being able to stand, but I'm pretty sure the real rear end in a top hat is the guy claiming that disabled people are being whiny. Your initial post at me was hostile, i reciprocated. Not sure what you expected.
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Here we go, now he is going to claim that the thread has victimised him again lmao.
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Something I've been thinking about heaps is the value of labour. Like everyone thinks of UBI and thinks all this work won't get done because we've got enough people for the jobs as it is, but so many jobs only exist because labour is extremely cheap compared to the alternatives. UBI would reprice labour to what people feel their time is actually worth and as such you would see a lot less jobs "needing" to be done as automation that is already within reach becomes the cheaper option. You don't build the utopia then people stop working, people need to stop working to make the utopia economically viable.
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I don't feel victimized just because I'm calling you all idiots.
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What I for one cannot stand is these Scottish people coming to our country and taking our jobs.
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Amethyst posted:Your initial post at me was hostile, i reciprocated. Not sure what you expected. Maybe I expected you to pay any amount attention to things before immediately dismissing the experiences of the sick poor because apparently helping us can't be done in any amount until the entirety of capitalism is overthrown and people stop buying things???
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Amethyst posted:Your initial post at me was hostile, i reciprocated. Not sure what you expected. an eye for an eye makes the world amethyst
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hooman posted:Something I've been thinking about heaps is the value of labour. Like everyone thinks of UBI and thinks all this work won't get done because we've got enough people for the jobs as it is, but so many jobs only exist because labour is extremely cheap compared to the alternatives. UBI would reprice labour to what people feel their time is actually worth and as such you would see a lot less jobs "needing" to be done as automation that is already within reach becomes the cheaper option. There is a lot of labour that simply isn't being performed because the economic incentives aren't there. Disability support is an obvious example. Understaffed facilities, people living in deprivation. We could build economic structures to fix this. Perhaps UBI could be a part of those structures but it isn't a panacea.
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Amethyst posted:I don't feel victimized just because I'm calling you all idiots. You probably should
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bell jar posted:why would parliament sitting dates affect L/NP party meetings? doesn't seem like it would They are located all over the country?
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