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Potato Minister Dutton.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:46 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 11:37 |
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X13Fen posted:Don't all the current, real-world examples of UBI have people working whilst receiving it and shock, everyone still works normally? all the current, real-world examples of UBI are on completely different scales compared to the idea of introducing a nation-wide UBI like come on i’m not opposed to a well thought out UBI proposal but “well it works when you apply UBI to a tiny subset of people so we should introduce it immediately everywhere” is retarded
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:47 |
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time to start building those gulags
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:47 |
bell jar posted:again, why would parliament need to be sitting for a party to change leaders. does the government just not function/operate outside of sitting weeks? honestly the dumbest rebuttal in this page and amethyst has been kind enough to post here too No idea. Presumably the prime Minister becoming the prime minister involves something to do with parliament? Voting to affirm them? Not being facetious by the way.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:47 |
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Hobo Erotica posted:/\/\ Well done Amethyst is a serial shitposter who trolls and runs
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:48 |
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No, the PM is chosen by the party in government, not the people nor Parliament. They can change them at any time.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:49 |
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Amethyst is a serial shitposter who trolls and runs I do NOT run.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:49 |
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Amethyst posted:I do NOT run. Get some exercise then and gently caress off
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:49 |
Oh OK, carry on then. I thought parliament had something to do with it
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:49 |
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tithin posted:No idea. Presumably the prime Minister becoming the prime minister involves something to do with parliament? Voting to affirm them? Party meetings should be independent of parliament, but I guess a meeting of cabinet members would need to meet at Parliament House to do it? Idk wheres someone who knows poo poo about parliamentary rigmarole when you need em
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:50 |
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a non sitting week makes sense too, gives time for a changeover before labour lambasts them for a week straight of question times.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:50 |
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Whitlam posted:Just gonna quote this from the previous thread. There was a discussion that this wouldn't be accurate because apparently as it's not a sitting week the LNP would be scattered to the 9 winds, and as such would be a bad time to hold a party meeting.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:52 |
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bell jar posted:again, why would parliament need to be sitting for a party to change leaders. does the government just not function/operate outside of sitting weeks? honestly the dumbest rebuttal in this page and amethyst has been kind enough to post here too the politicians all go home to their electorates on non-sitting weeks, so they’re dispersed all over the country. if they wanted to call a party meeting they’d all need to pack up on a plane and come to canberra or wherever which would be a pain in the rear end for everyone. there’s nothing stopping them from holding a party room meeting in a non-sitting week but logistically it’s too much of a pain in the rear end to bother.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:53 |
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drunkill posted:a non sitting week makes sense too, gives time for a changeover before labour lambasts them for a week straight of question times. Yeah they'll want to do this especially after Joyce
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:53 |
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what's the bet someone's whispering in Dutton's ear and building him up to think he'll be GREAT for LNP leader; meanwhile they know Dutton will lose the next election in a landslide and the leadership will change hands once again to ScoMo or Julie 'I litigated people to death' Bishop (though I am convinced she's too smart to ever go for LNP leader).
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:54 |
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BBJoey posted:all the current, real-world examples of UBI are on completely different scales compared to the idea of introducing a nation-wide UBI Isn't this exactly how trials work? Like at what point does it move from "We have trialed this in an area" and "we have rolled this out"?
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:55 |
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BBJoey posted:the politicians all go home to their electorates on non-sitting weeks, so they’re dispersed all over the country. if they wanted to call a party meeting they’d all need to pack up on a plane and come to canberra or wherever which would be a pain in the rear end for everyone. there’s nothing stopping them from holding a party room meeting in a non-sitting week but logistically it’s too much of a pain in the rear end to bother. Yeah thats what I figured. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were some extenuating circumstances - scheduling it for Monday allows them time to schedule flights in, etc. Would just need to be Cabinet, not the whole party
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:55 |
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hooman posted:There was a discussion that this wouldn't be accurate because apparently as it's not a sitting week the LNP would be scattered to the 9 winds, and as such would be a bad time to hold a party meeting. I mean see above but technically nothing is stopping them from doing it, so the fact that it isn't a sitting week isn't a deal breaker. I could even see the argument that it was intentionally planned for this timing to try and catch Turnbull off guard and give him less time to court votes, etc.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:55 |
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The Before Times posted:what's the bet someone's whispering in Dutton's ear and building him up to think he'll be GREAT for LNP leader; meanwhile they know Dutton will lose the next election in a landslide and the leadership will change hands once again to ScoMo or Julie 'I litigated people to death' Bishop (though I am convinced she's too smart to ever go for LNP leader). I don't think the Liberals will Greens themselves out of government
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:56 |
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The Before Times posted:what's the bet someone's whispering in Dutton's ear and building him up to think he'll be GREAT for LNP leader; meanwhile they know Dutton will lose the next election in a landslide and the leadership will change hands once again to ScoMo or Julie 'I litigated people to death' Bishop (though I am convinced she's too smart to ever go for LNP leader). That's what I'm thinking but some people are certain that once Dutton gets PM he won't lose for 20 years. I think Dutton makes a fine patsy, the only issue being why wouldn't they prefer Malcolm to lose the election if they're certain they'll lose it.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:57 |
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wikipedia posted:Under Liberal Party rules, any Liberal member of parliament or senator can propose a motion to spill the party's leadership. The leader of the party then invites a discussion of the motion at a party room meeting and makes a decision whether to call a vote on the matter based on the sentiments which are expressed.The leader chooses whether to conduct the vote through a public show of hands or a secret ballot; historically it has been conducted by secret ballot. a spill requires a party room meeting, not cabinet
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:58 |
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BBJoey posted:the politicians all go home to their electorates on non-sitting weeks, so they’re dispersed all over the country. if they wanted to call a party meeting they’d all need to pack up on a plane and come to canberra or wherever which would be a pain in the rear end for everyone. there’s nothing stopping them from holding a party room meeting in a non-sitting week but logistically it’s too much of a pain in the rear end to bother. newspoll is out monday morning. meeting for 10am monday morning. lol
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:58 |
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Is it happening? Is turnbull getting Abbotted?
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 07:59 |
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Prime minister Dutton is an indignity not even we deserve to suffer.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:00 |
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Does that mean the LNP leader could just decide never to call a spill? Sentiment in the room is "gently caress yall, I'm leader".
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:00 |
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hooman posted:Does that mean the LNP leader could just decide never to call a spill? I mean, if anyone would do that it'd be Tony Abbott and yet, here we are. It's probably a convention that the motion will be heard if the 'sentiment' is there.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:02 |
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they’re not going to do it before the budget
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:08 |
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ewe2 posted:That's what I'm thinking but some people are certain that once Dutton gets PM he won't lose for 20 years. I think Dutton makes a fine patsy, the only issue being why wouldn't they prefer Malcolm to lose the election if they're certain they'll lose it. Dutton's job for the last several years has been to be the face of a whole bunch of unpalatable policies. As a result, he's utterly loathed, and not just due to his own staggering lack of charisma. He's exactly the guy you don't make leader. So, of course, they'll make him leader.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:09 |
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the budget is less than a month away and will determine their lines and talking points. they will take some time to spruik these and hope like hell for a rebound in the polls. it won’t happen. give them a few months, then they might spill
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:09 |
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Snowman_McK posted:Dutton's job for the last several years has been to be the face of a whole bunch of unpalatable policies. As a result, he's utterly loathed, and not just due to his own staggering lack of charisma. He's exactly the guy you don't make leader. Actually those are the popular policies Australians like.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:11 |
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The Liberals can't get any policy they like through the senate. I guess it makes sense for Bishop and co to put up Dutton so they can get the inevitable election loss over with before their popularity gets even worse. Then try for a 2022 election outcome with a more favourable senate. Of course strategic plans like this seem foolish in the age of Turnbull's masterful double dissolution.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:12 |
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Birdstrike posted:they’re not going to do it before the budget don't play my hopes like this JBP posted:Actually those are the popular policies Australians like.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:15 |
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JBP posted:Actually those are the popular policies Australians like. No https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/29/majority-of-australians-say-refugees-who-arrive-by-boat-should-be-let-in-poll-finds They're not as unpopular as they should be, but being the guy who did it isn't going to do Dutton any favours.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:15 |
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the happening?
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:20 |
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hooman posted:Isn't this exactly how trials work? Like at what point does it move from "We have trialed this in an area" and "we have rolled this out"? the issue is that there are a lot of factors that will be different between a controlled trial and rolling out a UBI nation-wide. take for example the Finnish pilot which i have scientifically picked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_pilots - the trial involved 2000 participants selected from those receiving unemployment benefits, and it worked out pretty well. however, for the duration of the trial, 5.493 million Finnish people were participating in the traditional economy without a UBI. who knows what would happen if they weren't? additionally, the very nature of trials means you're unlikely to see much change - the fact that the trial might finish and the UBI might stop coming in will stop people from radically rethinking their life and work. this isn't to say i oppose a UBI, but i think we need to recognise that it would fundamentally alter our society and we can't predict how peoples' work habits will change based on trials of very limited scope. Birdstrike posted:theyre not going to do it before the budget this
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:25 |
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Hobo Erotica posted:You guys are being really weird and mean here quote:Someone walks into a championship tournament, says "GEE I THINK I MAY HAVE TRANSCENDED THE UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF YOU GRANDMASTERS HERE, WANT TO JOIN MY NEW SCHOOL OF CHESS STRATEGY?", then loses by scholar's mate twice in the first round.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:26 |
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:27 |
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Well that was a complicated way of saying 'tone argument' but whatever.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:32 |
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JBP posted:Actually those are the popular policies Australians like. An often overlooked fact. "Oh but those policies are cruel and horrible!" Sure. And that's what Australians want.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:34 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 11:37 |
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Oh yee of short memory, HE only drops in here to lay rancid farts and run away again too. Auspol threads are much like the real Australian values we strive to protect: getting across the lawn without stepping in an errant turd.
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# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:41 |