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Every argument against UBI boils down to misanthropy or parroting people who hate everyone
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Why the gently caress are there like 5 pages of people stridently arguing against someone who was a bad enough poster to contract forums cancer?
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Apr 5, 2018 08:44
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BBJoey posted:the issue is that there are a lot of factors that will be different between a controlled trial and rolling out a UBI nation-wide. take for example the Finnish pilot which i have scientifically picked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_pilots - the trial involved 2000 participants selected from those receiving unemployment benefits, and it worked out pretty well. however, for the duration of the trial, 5.493 million Finnish people were participating in the traditional economy without a UBI. who knows what would happen if they weren't? additionally, the very nature of trials means you're unlikely to see much change - the fact that the trial might finish and the UBI might stop coming in will stop people from radically rethinking their life and work. I think that a trial case across a broad spectrum of population with a statistically significant number of participants would be the most you could do, right? Beyond that I mean would you do just one city? or region? I don't see how you could do a state by state trial, you can just test it and then roll it out and then tweak. I mean hell there's probably a lot more evidence for it than a heap of the welfare reforms that get rolled out Australia wide that are proven not to work, or are simply wrong. Robodebt, Drug Testing, Waiting Periods, Income withdrawl, Job Services Providers... I don't know why UBI is so radically different to these changes that get made all the time to elligability or payments. Medicare being rolled out was a huge sweeping change, and now I can only imagine how terrible thing would be without it.
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Apr 5, 2018 08:48
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Schlesische posted:Why the gently caress are there like 5 pages of people stridently arguing against someone who was a bad enough poster to contract forums cancer? Because he's stupid and it's fun.
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Apr 5, 2018 08:50
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jbp strikes again!
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Apr 5, 2018 08:57
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Littleproud will never catch me. I'll kill em all.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:05
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Amethyst posted:There is a lot of labour that simply isn't being performed because the economic incentives aren't there. Disability support is an obvious example. Understaffed facilities, people living in deprivation. We could build economic structures to fix this. Perhaps UBI could be a part of those structures but it isn't a panacea. Instead of paying social workers check off newstart obligations, what if we paid them to actually help people?
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Apr 5, 2018 09:08
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https://twitter.com/RHT_ebooks/status/981782457270730752
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Apr 5, 2018 09:10
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hooman posted:I mean hell there's probably a lot more evidence for it than a heap of the welfare reforms that get rolled out Australia wide that are proven not to work, or are simply wrong. Robodebt, Drug Testing, Waiting Periods, Income withdrawl, Job Services Providers... They ain't reforms unless we're including "kickbacks to mates" or "kicking the poor". UBI is a great idea, but the techbros like it because it'll make them feel great while they offshore every job they can which will give them enough money to hire the level of tax lawyer who will find new and innovative ways to get them out of paying any tax.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:11
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A lot of work that needs to be done isn't done because it doesn't have any way to make a rich person richer. And more rich people want all such activities to cease.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:16
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G-Spot Run posted:Oh yee of short memory, HE only drops in here to lay rancid farts and run away again too. Auspol threads are much like the real Australian values we strive to protect: getting across the lawn without stepping in an errant turd.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:27
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I will save this thread
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Apr 5, 2018 09:30
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i dont like auspol april
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Apr 5, 2018 09:30
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My first car was a stick
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2399 sheep died, and that is unacceptable. We must get this down to the acceptable level of 1276, which is fine and business as usual.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:31
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can't believe libs are torpedoing turnbull, don't they know they're jeopardizing the next newspoll
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Apr 5, 2018 09:34
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Fake news. No spill detected
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Apr 5, 2018 09:35
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This just in from Anime Dave, Turnbull spill prompted by Abbott noticing pro-coal youtubes not getting the same traffic they once did. Has started dating a Turnbull-YouTube staffer to get closer to the organisation before striking.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:40
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What the gently caress is wrong with this country that a prime most minister can serve a full term in government
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Apr 5, 2018 09:40
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https://www.pedestrian.tv/bites/taco-bell-planning-explosive-expansion-australia/quote:A while back Taco Bell, famous for daring to answer the question “what if a taco, but two?” begun their bold attempt to conquer Australian palates one more time by opening a single, lone store in the Brisbane suburb of Annerley. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/dutton-pledges-loyalty-to-turnbull-as-leadership-questions-loom quote:Senior cabinet minister Peter Dutton has pledged his loyalty to Malcolm Turnbull, despite admitting the coalition government is on track for defeat at the next election.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:41
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i dunno, sometimes that's a good thing. imagine if you got a bad president who couldn't be removed by his party, what a horrible situation that would be
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Apr 5, 2018 09:42
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bandaid.friend posted:https://www.pedestrian.tv/bites/taco-bell-planning-explosive-expansion-australia/ Gonna be some explosive something.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:45
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Potato knows whats up.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:45
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Anyone work at DHS, what the gently caress is going on with child support right now?
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Apr 5, 2018 09:47
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Tokamak posted:Instead of paying social workers check off newstart obligations, what if we paid them to actually help people? I'm in favour of welfare reform on the side of making it more generous. What I'm specifically against here is the idea that UBI is a viable path toward a post-work utopia. I think that notion is a dangerous fantasy in a world where 60 percent of the world doesn't have indoor plumbing.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:51
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Amethyst posted:I'm in favour of welfare reform on the side of making it more generous. What I'm specifically against here is the idea that UBI is a viable path toward a post-work utopia. I think that notion is a dangerous fantasy in a world where 60 percent of the world doesn't have indoor plumbing. Not really, we just have to leave those people behind and thank them for everything they've done.
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Apr 5, 2018 09:53
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I'm sorry JBP. I made a mistake how do I get you on side again? 
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Apr 5, 2018 10:00
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CrazyTolradi posted:HE also drops in to gush about his greatest love, Mia Freedman. Ok, farts and sharts
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Apr 5, 2018 10:00
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I figure Dutton is doing this because White south African farmers.
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Apr 5, 2018 10:04
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Amethyst posted:I think that notion is a dangerous fantasy in a world where 60 percent of the world doesn't have indoor plumbing.
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Apr 5, 2018 10:07
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CrazyTolradi posted:Don't kinkshame Cartoon. lol
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Apr 5, 2018 10:09
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Anyone work at DHS, what the gently caress is going on with child support right now? The new system (named after a cartoon dog) is not as good as the old system (named after a socialist utopia), but is believed to be better by senior management because it's new. Also SAP based IIRC, which might be all you need to know about why.
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Apr 5, 2018 10:17
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Anyone work at DHS, what the gently caress is going on with child support right now? Same thing that has happened to the rest of DHS over the last 4 years. The Canberra times piece pretty much says everything.
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Apr 5, 2018 10:18
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ABC posted:John Howard tells Liberal MPs to back Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on the 7:30 Report Happening Category level 3?
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Apr 5, 2018 10:52
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Remember, before Abbott got knifed, this sort of leak popped up a lot before the actual spill occurred. Doesn't mean it's going to happen next week, but it would seem as if someone's putting the feelers out to see if it'd have any kind of traction.
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Apr 5, 2018 10:54
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not to mention week after week of "will kevin rudd take back control of the labor party this week", even after he tried and failed
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Apr 5, 2018 11:00
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Resident Idiot posted:Also SAP based IIRC, which might be all you need to know about why. 
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Apr 5, 2018 11:04
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i'm loyal to the leader or i resign, also, technically when there's a spill there's no leader so
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Apr 5, 2018 11:18
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GoldStandardConure posted:not to mention week after week of "will kevin rudd take back control of the labor party this week", even after he tried and failed That's what we're in for. Turnbull needs to fall further before they get rid of him.
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Apr 5, 2018 11:26
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Hardly a roadblock. Rudd resigned as a minister from New York when he took his first tilt at Gillard.
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Apr 5, 2018 11:28
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"nameless sources" are just going to keep repeating this poo poo till they get what they want
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