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bibliosabreur posted:Three words: home on jam. What have we got that has that capability? I thought Home on Jam was mostly for SAMs.
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Planning Map https://drive.google.com/open?id=118xXG1t68J4zYalzMvCo-nEspmC3VNXj&usp=sharing Make a copy for yourself. Those are the current threats. We're looking for an immediate reaction plan for current threats. More threats may-will appear in the immediate future. Once that happens we'll go into modification mode. So please present a basic plan and we'll do some voting!
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Apr 5, 2018 22:37
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So, bombers + escorts will probably come from the east, and enemy PMV aircraft from the north, with possible Club K missiles in the civilian traffic. If this were Ace Combat, we would shoot down the bombers, lose every crappy old fighter (save one) to next-gen planes, have the one survivor protect the base from a PMC attack, counter-attack the enemy base, lose most of the infantry tasked with taking the base to a Club K attack, track down the Club K ship(s) and sink them, rematch inconclusively with next-gen planes, fight and eventually finish off enemy PMCs, get ambushed by an absurdly powerful Russian bomber, damage it enough to force a withdrawal, finally defeat the next-gen squad as they defend the bomber, shoot down bomber, learn the bomber base actually has another one being loaded with super powerful warheads, fly into the base and detonate said warheads, fly out as it explodes. Learn that PETA was somehow responsible for everything. But one plane can't carry over a hundred missiles  .
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Apr 5, 2018 23:39
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Are we allowed to take on that radar on Italian soil? e: Also do we have a signature on those jammers? e2: nvm, Israeli drones. hm. Davin Valkri posted:What have we got that has that capability? I thought Home on Jam was mostly for SAMs. The meteor has that. I don't know if it's useful to take on the drones with it though. TheDemon fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Apr 5, 2018 23:50
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TheDemon posted:Are we allowed to take on that radar on Italian soil? Yes.
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Apr 5, 2018 23:55
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Yooper posted:
This is one of the most perfect things I have ever seen. Edit: The music really captures the how I imagine this insane world to be. pthighs fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Apr 6, 2018 00:00
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 OPERATION: GET EM! PLAN IS SIMPLER THAN TURKISH PEASANT. GROUP BLUE HAS MANY FIGHTER. JUST LIKE GOOD OLD DAYS WE GO TO CROATIA AND SHOOT JAMMER. THEN STAY IN CROATIA AND REMOVE PLANE. TRY AND MAKE CRASHINGS INTO BOSNIAN HOUSE, OK? GROUP RED HAVE ONE GUY, FINALLY, ENEMY COME FROM ITALY LIKE BAD OLD DAYS. STAVKA INFORMS US THERE IS NO REASONS FOR NERVOUS SO WE IGNORE PROBLEM AND HOPE THEY ARE PRETENDING TO WORK. NO QUESTION? OKAY. LAUNCH FIVE MINUTE AGO.
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Apr 6, 2018 10:02
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A lot of this is gonna come down to launch order. The first aircraft we get up should be the Prowler (OECM ON), followed by the Argus (Radar ON). Prolwer jamming will make it harder for the Hawkeyeski and the Italian radar to see us scrambling. The Argus will be hindered by their jamming, but it got a big AESA radar that will still see 100+ kilometers. Next up, are the Gripens with Meteors. We should avoid launching and sending them one by one into battle. Form them m up over Gjader, then send them against the biggest northern strike. Bisons get launched next. Form up over Gjader and deal with the eastern strike (or wherever the secondary threat is). Then send up the Akefs and Kfirs to mop up.
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Apr 6, 2018 10:20
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I think smaller aircraft launch in twos? Yooper can we determine loadouts on the fly or do we need to preplan them for the whole mission? I'd say our absolute first priority should be to get a pair of Gripen w/ max Meteors airborne. They can orbit or go after the jammers and their advanced radar should be able to see even through the ECM. Then the prowler (loadout 4xECM pods 1x HARM) - (4 ECM pods instead of the max of 5 but the HARM might come in handy) and a tornado (Storm Shadow, 2x loadout) with a pair of storm shadow cruise missiles which should be able to pretty much immediately target the radar on Italy. If they fail to take it out we know there must be some sort of air defense there which will require us to swarm it with ALARM tornadoes. After that its pretty much just getting the Saab and as much A2A capability into the air as possible. Davin Valkri posted:What have we got that has that capability? I thought Home on Jam was mostly for SAMs. The Harpoons the Dutch carry have it but can only target ships. Nothing else as far as I know. Saros fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Apr 6, 2018 11:24
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I'm pretty sure Storm Shadows need a precise target location which we arent going to have for a radar we've only located through emissions.
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Apr 6, 2018 13:42
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TheDemon posted:I'm pretty sure Storm Shadows need a precise target location which we arent going to have for a radar we've only located through emissions. With the Prowler and I-Spy up it should be good enough. I think.
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Apr 6, 2018 14:02
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Anta posted:With the Prowler and I-Spy up it should be good enough. I think. Serious doubts on that. We'd be better off just launching a flight of ten ALARMs.
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Apr 6, 2018 14:23
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TheDemon posted:I'm pretty sure Storm Shadows need a precise target location which we arent going to have for a radar we've only located through emissions. Launch the Mirage with the ESM pod. We will be able to triangulate exactly where it is, with the Mirage being able to get much closer to the emissions source then our higher value assets.
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Apr 6, 2018 14:38
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I feel like there will be severe political problems with attacking Italy no?
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Apr 6, 2018 15:26
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I feel like there will be severe political problems with attacking Italy no? An accidental misfire! Anta posted:With the Prowler and I-Spy up it should be good enough. I think. We have Tokyo bay fortress and with the prowler or eye spy up it should be enough for a solid fix. Pretty sure in-game you can launch them once it narrows it down. Alarms would work too though but have to get much much closer and endangers the Tornado as well as having a jet charge madly at the Italian coast which may not go down so well. [e] We probably want to change our WRA to have 4+ gen fighters be targeted by 2 missiles so they don't get a chance to dodge and come around again. Saros fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Apr 6, 2018 15:28
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Meanwhile, here's some video of our CAP from earlier.InAndOutBrennan posted:New song from
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I feel like there will be severe political problems with attacking Italy no? Oh, Italy? The comic relief villain of WWII? What will they do to us, send astonishingly effective combat divers to kill Tokyo Bay Fortress?
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Apr 6, 2018 15:48
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IRl there's an entire squadron of Euro Typhoons based a few km from the radar site and an F-35 squadron a little bit up the coast.
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Apr 6, 2018 15:50
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We've already overthrown one government and nearly started a nuclear war, TWICE! If there smart they'll take their lumps.
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Apr 6, 2018 16:10
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Oh whoops the Storm shadow flightpath goes directly over an Italian airbase.
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Apr 6, 2018 16:18
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  Italian Big Poomba and Governor of Apulia Italy, Chef Ernesto Boyardee, was asked about recent hostilities in the Balkans. His response was mostly apolitical and dodgy but when pressed, he said "...as long as no Italians are harmed, then it can only be good for the Italian economy." He then went on to describe the massive Apulian export industry and how it will profit from the Balkans being on fire. Reuters noted that Boyardee flashed a card with an affiliate link to Amazon whenever he spoke. The Apulian state is ridiculously bankrupt and has become a "pay to play" province. Even through the fiscal retardedness of Apulia, NATO, and the Italian Federal State, maintains a presence near Brindisi and will respond if facilities are damaged.
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Apr 6, 2018 18:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HBh_NtFRFY
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Apr 6, 2018 20:35
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So whatever we blow up in Italy, Amazon will be mad. Let's not.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:41
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If our opponents know our capabilities and can plan around them could they have an ambush planned?
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Apr 6, 2018 21:55
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RandomPauI posted:If our opponents know our capabilities and can plan around them could they have an ambush planned? Almost certainly. so we really should fous on a few key points and not overstretch. I think that we shoul prioritize those TU-22s and taking out the jammers, Let's not risk loving with those Typhoons. *Edit: Although I guess that we could send the AMX or a Nighthawk (at night) after the radar if we need to since they can't do much other than ground attack, but that'd leave them vulnerable to interceptors. The AMX's Sidewinder loadout might be an inexpensive solution to those jammer drones though. PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Apr 6, 2018 22:25
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Radio Free Kobold posted:So whatever we blow up in Italy, Amazon will be mad. Let's not. My understanding is that the radar is corporate owned, not nationally owned, and Amazon's deal is with the provincial government of Apulia. AS LONG AS WE ONLY TOUCH THE RADAR, we can take it out without calling down more wrath. They'll even let us use their airspace so we can use LGBs for it. Again, all this goes out the window if we touch Italian/NATO assets, so it's less "we can't touch the radar" and more "if we touch it, it's weapons hold until we get there."
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Apr 6, 2018 22:32
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Amazon thing was fluff to illustrate how poor Chef Boyardee is. Amazon is not involved in this theater. Yet.
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Apr 6, 2018 22:38
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Yooper posted:Amazon thing was fluff to illustrate how poor Chef Boyardee is. Amazon is not involved in this theater. Yet. 
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Apr 6, 2018 23:06
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The radar is gravy, but the cruise missile and air threat are the bigger ones. Let's make the first rule clear: we do not send our fighters out after the targets until they're formed up. Also, EMCOM is very different than the usual: A2A fighters, radars hot, no matter what until further orders. I've a feeling the fancy AESA sets on our Grips will be needed to burn through enemy ECM. Launch order should be Grips, Bisons/Kfirs, and Eagles. The Grips volley off their Meteors at max range and then book it out of the area. Next up, the Kfirs and Bisons launch their 40nm missiles, and once they've exhausted their missiles...I think they should close in. Bisons are happiest when dogfighting anyway. Also, once we get the enemies into a swirling dogfight, the Eagles can pick off targets of opportunity with Sparrows, and join the furball if needed; Sparrows are much more useful when the (potentially ARH-equipped) enemy is too busy to shoot back, meaning the Eagle can just SARH the missile to its target like it ain't no thang. Now, target priorities. If we can knock out the ECM drones they should do so, but that's not the biggest priority. Unless scenario editing is involved, I don't think the drones' ECM is going to be that much of a problem. They're only Generic Advanced emitters, 1980s tech, which is some thirty years behind our AESAs. They'll gently caress up the Bisons and Kfirs somewhat and really degrade the Eagles, but I don't think they'll be that much of an issue for our Gripens' radars. More important than the drones are the Flankers and Fulcrums. We don't know exactly what variants there are, but each one should get two ARHs targeted on it, no questions asked. I suspect the Flankers will be used for A2A and the Fulcrums for A2G, but that can easily be reversed, depending on the specific models. The Backfires are hideously dangerous to certain types of targets. They also have the longest launch range, so they might be the hardest to hit. Controversial opinion here: I'd rather let them loose their two missiles apiece and scamper away, than lose fighters to the enemy BARCAP. It's going to be hard to get within missile range of them when they can just loose at 325nm and then GTFO. I actually think the enemy Hawkeyeski and radar set should be among the least-important targets we hit. Once we clear the enemy CAP and strikers, and ride out whatever damage we've taken, we can go after enemy support assets. The reason I say this is because unless we take out both enemy radars at once, we won't truly blind them.
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Davin Valkri posted:What have we got that has that capability? I thought Home on Jam was mostly for SAMs. A surprising number of our munitions have the capability. As already mentioned: Gripen Meteors Dutch Harpoons (only good against ships, unfortunately) In addition: Kfir's Derbys MiG-21's Adders
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I vote the strike aircraft are Maximum Warcrimes Authorized and Strafing authorized I would say fighters are guns-free when we're out of missiles and let's get in there and mix it up with this bunch of horse trash. Dr. Kyle Farnsworth fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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Apr 7, 2018 09:28
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bibliosabreur posted:The radar is gravy.. I like plan gravy a lot, especially with Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:I vote the strike aircraft are Maximum Warcrimes Authorized and Strafing authorized these revisions and I would like to add the following -after the gripens are up, pop the mirage up to overfly the base at optimal spotting height on idle thrust. It's really good at spotting, we need that. -after the bison, a pair or two of -27's or tornadoes to accompany the mirage just in case we are about to get rolled on the ground too (its what we would aim to do to an enemy)
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Heh, thanks for the vote of confidence. Plan Gravy, if that's what we're calling it, still isn't completely fleshed-out yet. We need to work out a bunch of details yet:
On top of those, there's also the question of where the "phase break" comes in. Once we deal with all the inbounds and threats, we can take a moment to catch our breaths. After that, we hit back and hit back hard.
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Apr 7, 2018 21:28
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Protip, there is a little airport not far from Trieste https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviano_Air_Base, which is the local nato nuclear sharing program warehouse. If ordnance starts dropping near the northern Italian border, US might not take it lightly. But if it happens let me know so i can bunker up, I would love to see the "Ferriera" crumble down once and for all SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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Apr 7, 2018 21:40
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I actually had the outline of a plan starting to come together before I went with my suggestion. I'd launch and vector something like: Gripens up first to deal with any immediate threats. Roll the Kfirs Gripens head NW towards the reported inbound strike, jammer, and Hawkeyeski Kfirs serve as CAP while we get the Prowler and Saab in the air Start rolling the rest of our fighters Send the Kfirs NE towards that possible inbound strike as a two-ship Keep 2 birds on CAP. As new birds launch, the existing CAP heads toward where the action is hottest or likely to be hottest. So, basically, we should have a stream going at decent intervals towards the hottest action while maintaining a CAP. Assuming we live that long and the immediate skies are clear of hostiles, roll strike aircraft with the priority: -SAMs and airspace denial -Local radars -Armor -Any particularly threatening ground formations I'm not super into worrying about the boats because I don't feel like they've given us a lot of utility. Maybe just find the nearest civvie freighter and hide behind it. Let THEM start the international incident for once. 
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Yooper posted:Phase 1. LoSA reporting in; ready, willing, and able. Where do you need me? Also, call me a boy again and I'll give you a Prince Albert with this here I-HAWK  
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Apr 8, 2018 00:04
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If Apulia are as broke as reported, would it not be relatively cheap and prudent to see if we can hire the local carabinieri to destroy, disable or deny the enemy access to the radar that’s on their soil?
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Here's the situation as I see it. OPERATION INDIGO PLATEAU  We have five threat vectors here. Two of them are active, two of them are nascent, and one of them makes the other four all the more dangerous. 1) CHARIZARD: This is the most likely launch vector for the Backfires. If those Kitchens take out the runways we're done for. Radio chatter also suggests follow up strikes or some kind of OCA. 2) PIKACHU: The most likely vector for most of the strike planes, as well as the enemy's primary electronic support assets. 3) SQUIRTLE: The offshore threat. As the weapon is suggested to be Klub-K, it's entirely possible that one or more of the marked merchant ships is actually a launch platform. 4) BULBASAUR: The close range infiltrators threat. Perhaps not as immediately dangerous as CHARIZARD and PIKACHU, but mortars hitting our radar will be...troublesome. 5) MEWTWO: Not necessarily a threat in and of itself, but together with the Hawkeyeski, our position is totally triangulated, making CHARIZARD and SQUIRTLE in particular more dangerous. To that end, I'd like to posit the following intercept structure. The first two assets are already in field, and the rest launch in order. The type of the Pokemon in the callsign determines which threat it patrols for/hunts down. Some of them might be dual typed! Normal type Pokemon transit to Point JOY, remain above 20k feet, and try to hide from threats. Deployed) 2x MQ-9B w/Paveway IIs -- BELLSPROUT 1, 2 Deployed) 3x Karel Doormans w/ NH-90s -- LAPRAS 1, 2, 3 (NH-90s = TENTACOOL 1, 2, 3) [Note: advise investigating southern merchant first] Deployed) Ask the Italian police to investigate the radar -- JENNY, give callsign ROCKET when pulling out 1) 4x JAS-39E with maximum Meteors -- GROWLITHE 2) 4x JAS-39E with maximum Meteors -- VOLTORB 3) Saab S100B -- EEVEE 4) EA-6B with max jammers -- PONYTA 5) 2x Bison w/Adders -- VULPIX 6) 2x Bison w/Adders -- MAGNEMITE 7) 2x2 Akefs with max Sparrows -- SLOWBRO 1, 2 (form up with ABRA before engaging OBJ MEWTWO. Provide CAP on OBJ SQUIRTLE if OBJ MEWTWO destroyed) 7.5) 2x Tornado, 1 with ALARMs, 1 with LGBs -- ABRA 1, 2 7.75) Verify status of any GROWLITHE and VOLTORB Assets 8) Atlantique with Exocets -- STARMIE (ELINT may be used against MEWTWO) 9) KC-135, VC10K4 -- CHANSEY 1, 2 10) 2x Kfirs with Derbies -- JOLTEON 11) 2x Akefs with max Sparrows -- FLAREON 12) 2x Floggers with LGBs -- ODDISH 13) 2x Ghiblis with LGBs (spotters are BELLSPROUT) -- TANGELA 14) 2x Tornado with Sea Eagle -- GYARADOS 15) 2x Tornado with Brimstone + Damocles -- EGGSECUTE 4 Bisons with Adders aare in reserve as needed (# of available BVR missiles < 8) to Obj. CHARIZARD or PIKACHU--launch in pairs under callsigns MAGMAR and ELECTABUZZ as needed. WRA: 1 BVR missile per air to air target, UNLESS target is assessed as 4.5 gen fighter or greater--2 BVRs for those. EMCON: They know where we are. Radars and jammers ON. DOCTRINE: CAP units RTB when out of BVR missiles ("SHOTGUN") EXCEPT Akefs--they are allowed to close range. Use Quick Turnaround whereever possible. This is of course complete guesswork and we might pause action to come up with a new plan as needed, but I believe it commits all of our aircraft. Davin Valkri fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Can we not pay off the Apulians to shut down the radar for us? If they got there quick it'd put OPFOR reacting to us instead of us just reacting to them.
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Could we also check with Amazon about what they'd want to shut off the radar?
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