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Worthleast posted:It's an ancient practice in the Church to promote someone to remove him from a situation. Promoveatur ut admoveatur. Famously Archbishop Annibale Bugnini fell out of favor with Pope Paul VI in the late 1970s and was named Apostolic Delegate to Tehran, far away from Rome and where there are not too many Catholics to be in charge of. oh no, now I have to eat persian food every day
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Amen, Cythereal. And not to take away from the spirit of the moment, I just found this intriguing:  But is a group of people in silly hats also necessarily an army without guns?
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Anyone else ever thought God was guiding you to do 'a thing', and then you're like oh poo poo maybe I'm just an insane person. Oops? This 'thing' is actually stupid and I'm probably insane. gently caress if I know.
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Apr 5, 2018 03:53
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Cythereal posted:I suppose, if anyone cares to hear my fundamental emotional reasoning, to me it's very important to my faith that no one is spiritually different from or superior to anyone else. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God - no ifs ands buts saints or priests. Those of you who have read my posts in this thread probably know I struggle with severe depression, but it's not a new thing for me. It's something I've struggled with since I was a child, and family and friends have for decades commented that I'm harder on myself than anyone they know. You and I are cut from the same cloth. I'm glad you're around. Drop in on a United Methodist church sometime. You might find it more accommodating. We're not particularly rigid doctrinally, so you should find plenty of room to grow your own theology. As John Wesley said, "But as to all opinions which do not strike at the root of Christianity, we think and let think."
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Goobish posted:Anyone else ever thought God was guiding you to do 'a thing', and then you're like oh poo poo maybe I'm just an insane person. Oops? This 'thing' is actually stupid and I'm probably insane. gently caress if I know. all the time. do you have anyone you can talk to about it? worked for me
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Goobish posted:Anyone else ever thought God was guiding you to do 'a thing', and then you're like oh poo poo maybe I'm just an insane person. Oops? This 'thing' is actually stupid and I'm probably insane. gently caress if I know. no edit: to be more serious, things like therapists, a church community, priests, tradition, and scripture exist to help sort these things out. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Goobish posted:Anyone else ever thought God was guiding you to do 'a thing', and then you're like oh poo poo maybe I'm just an insane person. Oops? This 'thing' is actually stupid and I'm probably insane. gently caress if I know. I honestly don't know if I'd do a thing God told me to do because my first impulse would be to think I'm losing my mind. Plus I kinda got to see a case of a would-be prophet end in ruin
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Goobish posted:Anyone else ever thought God was guiding you to do 'a thing', and then you're like oh poo poo maybe I'm just an insane person. Oops? This 'thing' is actually stupid and I'm probably insane. gently caress if I know. Yes, I've had that thought. I stopped and reexamined what I was doing and decided it wasn't hurting anyone and was intended to do something good. Therefore, even if it wasn't exactly what God wanted, it would be something else God would appreciate so I went on and did it anyway. People get too hung up on God's Will as though it's some massive, ineffable thing we have to figure out and then find what our specific role is within it. God's Will is for us to become more Christlike and representative of Him here on Earth. So do that. Work at being more Christlike and you'll be within God's will. If you perceive that God wants you to do a specific task, it's usually less about the task, and more about you doing it - as that is something God wants you to do that He thinks will develop your soul to be more Christlike. Love is about commitment and doing things, so get busy and do things for God. Show love to others and you will do God's will.
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Cythereal posted:To me, there's no actual dilemma. I am, and will be, looking for a church community where I feel at home. To me, community is more important than theology up to a point. For me, church has always been a place to find friends and people I can look up to and talk to when I'm troubled spiritually. But the fact that I disregard theology does have limits, and for me the Catholic and Orthodox churches cross those limits. I do not like the concept of the priesthood in their senses. I do not like the veneration of Mary. I do not like the veneration of saints. I'm not personally convinced demons in the classic sense even exist. It would take something truly special to make me go along with what I so completely disagree with, and this local Catholic church is not that. A word to the wise: better to not have in one's life phenomena to convince one that demons in the classic sense exist.
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i’ve had dreams where i encountered ghosts and demons and i told them they needed to rely on amida’s primal vow and recite the nembutsu in order to be reborn in the pure land surely there’s a saint who did something similar for demons, whether successful or not
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Goobish posted:Anyone else ever thought God was guiding you to do 'a thing', and then you're like oh poo poo maybe I'm just an insane person. Oops? This 'thing' is actually stupid and I'm probably insane. gently caress if I know. All the time. In my early recovery, I misunderstood which part were the divine and which came from my own ego, but with the practice of prayer and meditation, eventually I realized which are gods and spirits, and which are my own delusions  tl;dr you're probably not insane, chill
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Senju Kannon posted:i’ve had dreams where i encountered ghosts and demons and i told them they needed to rely on amida’s primal vow and recite the nembutsu in order to be reborn in the pure land They are definitely people who pray for universal reconciliation including Satan, etc
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IIRC this thread told me hardcore catholodocs pray for the salvation of demons, which owns
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Demons, hm? Since they come up from time to time in this thread, I've prayed on the subject more than once. For me, I take in a material world and project outwards a spiritual dimension. The only demons I've known are personifications of things which twist good things into bad. Whether it's called greed or Mammon, the true symptoms are the same, and the true remedies are the same. At the completion of the universe's evolution, at the omega point, every broken thing will be redeemed and resurrected for an eternal and perfect life. In a spiritual projection, this can resemble an obliteration of the demons, an obliteration of their demonic nature, or a separation of a resurrected angel and a condemned demon, and effectively they will mean the same thing: there will be no more bad, and the good shall be everywhere and forever.
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Pellisworth posted:no Yeah, I've been slowly sort of integrating into a church community. My main understanding of God is through an AA perspective, so whoever made the post on Gods Will hit is right on the nose. Therapy is good and I'm also trying to sort that out because even with the 12 steps, sanity is not something I have currently restored. The Bible still confuses the hell out of me and I don't see myself making much sense of it. Not in a way that would make me feel any less insane. I started attending a Bible study and it still just feels really out there. Thanks for the feedback though guys. A lot of your conversations go over my head so I'm sure my questions always seem trivial, but it helps me a lot so thank you.
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Goobish posted:A lot of your conversations go over my head so I'm sure my questions always seem trivial, but it helps me a lot so thank you. I think there's some intentional confusion-sowing going on here, because it's kind of fun to talk about stuff that is only really familiar to people in your denomination as if everyone should know what you're talking about. And it's fun if you get what others are saying without having to ask. And it's actually fun to ask, too, and then be educated. Simple questions are usually the best ones. Complex ones are mostly about matters that aren't so important. E: That's not to say simple questions have simple answers but they tend to be the ones that are most fruitful to discuss about. Valiantman fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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CountFosco posted:A word to the wise: better to not have in one's life phenomena to convince one that demons in the classic sense exist. In my experience humans do not need outside help in loving up massively and being terrible people.
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Goobish posted:A lot of your conversations go over my head so I'm sure my questions always seem trivial, but it helps me a lot so thank you. I absolutely feel you on this. Every time we get into theology and philosophy and whatever the hell a 'telos' is.
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It's the location of Atris' secret Jedi temple after the Jedi Civil War, duh
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What game is this from, btw? Caufman posted:Amen, Cythereal.
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Tias posted:What game is this from, btw? e: Hearts of Iron IV, I think?
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Tias posted:is it less dumb incomprehensive micromanaging than HoI 3? Because if so I'm in I wouldn't know, I had to google to tell if it was that or EUIV. I'm mostly a Crusader Kings II guy as far as Paradox games go.
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Tias posted:is it less dumb incomprehensive micromanaging than HoI 3? Because if so I'm in Yeah, its actually playable unlike HoI3. The air and navy stuff doesn't work great and the AI occasionally shits itself but it's still a million times better than 3.
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Tias posted:is it less dumb incomprehensive micromanaging than HoI 3? Because if so I'm in It is. They got rid of the crazy "build regiments seperately and combine them thing" to go back to just building divisions", and you can set up armies and army groups and assign them battle plans ahead of time, which they'll generally do a good job carrying out. So there's a lot less fidgeting with individual divisions.
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Hearts of Iron IV is probably the best paradox game at the moment, especially if you can play with friends/goons.
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Ceciltron posted:Hearts of Iron IV is probably the best paradox game at the moment, especially if you can play with friends/goons. That's a funny way to spell "Stellaris."
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Cythereal posted:In my experience humans do not need outside help in loving up massively and being terrible people. I don't think most of the people in the thread who believe in demons (that's "of the ones of us who believe in demons, most of us", not "most of us believe in demons") think humans need help to be terrible people. But it's not unreasonable to think that just like there are things that hurt us and things that help us in the physical world, there's things that hurt us and help us in the spiritual one. We don't need to be bitten by a mosquito to feel itchy (sometimes we don't need any physical stimulus at all for that) but mosquito bites sure do itch, right? If stories of angels aren't just metaphors for encountering God - if there's actual non-physical beings whom God can send on a task, or whom God can direct to protect a person or a city - then it's not unreasonable to think that biblical stories of fallen angels are also not merely metaphorical.
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zonohedron posted:I don't think most of the people in the thread who believe in demons (that's "of the ones of us who believe in demons, most of us", not "most of us believe in demons") think humans need help to be terrible people. But it's not unreasonable to think that just like there are things that hurt us and things that help us in the physical world, there's things that hurt us and help us in the spiritual one. We don't need to be bitten by a mosquito to feel itchy (sometimes we don't need any physical stimulus at all for that) but mosquito bites sure do itch, right? If stories of angels aren't just metaphors for encountering God - if there's actual non-physical beings whom God can send on a task, or whom God can direct to protect a person or a city - then it's not unreasonable to think that biblical stories of fallen angels are also not merely metaphorical. Perhaps. Perhaps not. Angels and demons are not something I spend any time thinking about. There is good in the world and there is evil, I've never seen the point in ascribing either to supernatural power. Christ asks nothing of us that we are not capable of regardless of belief structure or lack thereof, and no human except Christ himself was without sin. For me, faith comes at the end of human limits and understanding. We can't be what God hopes us to be and asks us to attempt to be. We can try, but at the end of the day everyone is face down in the dirt - even Mary. That's where faith comes in.
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Samuel Clemens posted:When you cross yourself, does it matter if you go left-to-right or right-to-left? Does it depend on your denomination, or is it personal preference? orthodox start on the right; catholics on the left at some point in time soemone hosed up, but i don't know which was first
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Samuel Clemens posted:When you cross yourself, does it matter if you go left-to-right or right-to-left? Does it depend on your denomination, or is it personal preference? I'm a massive disappointment to my Presbyterian mother because I cross myself at all.
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as the least qualified person to possibly weigh in on this: spectacles, testicles, wallet, and watch
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HEY GUNS posted:orthodox start on the right; catholics on the left Oriental Orthodox (both Tewahedo and Coptic that I know of) do it the Catholic way so who knows
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HEY GUNS posted:orthodox start on the right; catholics on the left if you mean your own right, apparently I was/am* accidentally orthodox, although i'm not sure if that's a general Anglican thing or just my thing then again the anglican thing to do is refer it to a committee for the next five centuries and have everyone do what they feel like until it becomes traditional for their sub-denomination
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GreyjoyBastard posted:if you mean your own right, apparently I was/am* accidentally orthodox, although i'm not sure if that's a general Anglican thing or just my thing I'm pretty sure that's not an Anglican thing. GreyjoyBastard posted:then again the anglican thing to do is refer it to a committee for the next five centuries and have everyone do what they feel like until it becomes traditional for their sub-denomination OK keep doing your thing. Jokes aside, and for all its faults, I truly love the fact that Anglicanism ties itself in knots to avoid Schism and bad feeling between its members. No-one should want to have to call their neighbours heretics. If we sometimes err on the side of laxity, then we do it out of a love of unity and fraternity.
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I like the way old orthodox ladies cross themselves. Its like superspeed diagonal slashes.
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Swiped from the eastern europe thread:SaltyJesus posted:this is a real book you can buy right now
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Senju Kannon posted:i hate it when i try to grab my laptop but instead it's a crocodile and i'm in the middle of a jungle and not my room Just the other day I lost 3 fingers to an alligator when I tried to order a pizza online.
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