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SalTheBard posted:Do they really get it done in one business day because holy poo poo thats some amazing turnaround for $40. I'm strongly considering having them do my system. I feel stupid asking this question are motherboards backwards compatible? Like could I throw an i3 on my Z370 for the few days I would be down? They took a day for me yeah.
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Wait, is there any CPU option pricier than an 8700k that doesn’t have the heat spreader problem? For $40 to send it off I could just buy a higher end CPU that doesn’t have this problem I would hope? Or are people doing this precisely because there’s no option besides going another $100+ or something?
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necrobobsledder posted:Wait, is there any CPU option pricier than an 8700k that doesn’t have the heat spreader problem? For $40 to send it off I could just buy a higher end CPU that doesn’t have this problem I would hope? Or are people doing this precisely because there’s no option besides going another $100+ or something? There's nothing in Intel's consumer lineup atm. You could go Ryzen, which has soldered IHS, but that's another kettle of fish entirely.
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It seems Intel consumer chips have had this poo poo IHS problem for a while now. Your next step up for 8th gen is an i9 for like double price.
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necrobobsledder posted:Wait, is there any CPU option pricier than an 8700k that doesn’t have the heat spreader problem? In short, no. Even their i9 7980X 18-Core CPU will drop 20C in temp with a delid and application of liquid metal. Even like kryonaut paste is better than Intel's stock paste, but I am unsure if the performance difference.
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jokes posted:I'm looking at that 8400. I have a 6700k I don't overclock (I was going to before I got an ITX case) that I can sell for roughly what I paid for it and buy an 8400 instead. Swapping out my motherboard with a newer B-class one, I'll end up making like $50. Am I correct in seeing that an 8400 is as good as a non-OC i7-6700k? I'd say so in general. The 6700k will clock a little bit higher but nowhere near enough to make up for two more cores unless they aren't being used at all.
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Moey posted:It seems Intel consumer chips have had this poo poo IHS problem for a while now. Your next step up for 8th gen is an i9 for like double price. Still not soldered 
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Switched my NH-L9i for a much larger NH-L12S. Still hitting high 80s and low 90s with a i7 8700. No longer hitting throttling temps though, so....yay? I think.
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buglord posted:Switched my NH-L9i for a much larger NH-L12S. Still hitting high 80s and low 90s with a i7 8700. No longer hitting throttling temps though, so....yay? I think. VulgarandStupid posted:Delid.
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Repaste, undervolt, delid. Does your case have any airflow at all?
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Umm.  No case fans heh. Just the CPU fan under the PSU fan. And then a big honkin GPU on the other side.
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A 140mm fan at the front would probably help a bit here.
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buglord posted:Umm. Install a 120mm AIO in the front
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buglord posted:Umm. People like so mod those Sugo cases so put the PSU at the front, which makes way more room for a heatsink. https://imgur.com/a/n70oA#OlH1u2U
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buglord posted:Switched my NH-L9i for a much larger NH-L12S. Still hitting high 80s and low 90s with a i7 8700. No longer hitting throttling temps though, so....yay? I think. Problem solved. I had to dig around the ASUS ROG forums for a couple of painful hours, but I figured out how to undervolt my CPU since the motherboard is so keen on giving it a ton of extra power. I did a voltage offset by -0.040, ran Prime95, Cinebench, and the Intel CPU burn test, and it ran stable. (-0.050 caused BSOD, -0.045 resulted in general weirdness). Cinebench scores went up, CPU temps in Kingdom Come Deliverance (which heats up my CPU way more than any other program??) dont go higher than 75C. Also my idle temps dropped by 10C. Starting to think high end motherboards are more trouble than they're worth, especially if i'm running a non-K CPU and need to control temps.
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I wouldn't say that. SFF systems with high end components require tweaking either way, and "overclocking" boards allow that. Both ways. It's just that the defaults are tuned towards higher power use/temperatures to get a bit more performance out of even non-overclocking parts (like non-K CPUs). Unfortunately this is at odds with a basic SFF setup where you don't have room for excessive tower coolers or multiple AiOs and lots of options for case fans for airflow. But I'm glad it's working now. I probably have to repaste my delidded 7700k, it goes up to 90°C in Prime95 and I don't think it should (it's fine in games with 70°C though).
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Yeah I mean to say the board isnt bad and im sure it has its OC uses, but its kind of obnoxious that I had to go through the weekend effort to figure out why it was causing sky-high CPU temps. I think i've been on the Apple platform for too long and got used to simplicity.
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Thinking of building my first MiniITX system. How do the parts picked below look? Any recommendations for a cooler? I have a video card and some SSDs I'm gonna throw in it for now. If there's anywhere I can save a little $$ without too much of a performance hit, I'm all ears. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($346.69 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($126.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg) Case: NZXT - H200i (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz) Power Supply: Corsair - SF 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($114.68 @ OutletPC) Total: $893.32 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-19 16:01 EDT-0400
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tonic posted:Thinking of building my first MiniITX system. How do the parts picked below look? Any recommendations for a cooler? I have a video card and some SSDs I'm gonna throw in it for now. If there's anywhere I can save a little $$ without too much of a performance hit, I'm all ears. Those are great choices, do you have a Microcenter near you? Also you need a CPU cooler, probably want an AIO for that case.
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tonic posted:Thinking of building my first MiniITX system. How do the parts picked below look? Any recommendations for a cooler? I have a video card and some SSDs I'm gonna throw in it for now. If there's anywhere I can save a little $$ without too much of a performance hit, I'm all ears. Consider the Thermaltake Core V1 case, it is less than half the price, smaller overall, and super-easy to build in because 5 of the sides pop off, it's my favorite case for the money: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015UDUAKG/ The best performing paste is only $12: https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Kryonaut-Grease-Paste/dp/B011F7W3LU/ For a cooler, a Cryorig M9i for $20 is solid, and the Core V1's built-in 200mm fan will give it some extra help: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0177GTTB0/ For the PSU, the EVGA Supernova G3 has the same 7-year warranty, same efficiency, but only $70 (or $50 with rebate) instead of $115 for the Corsair. It is 50 less watts, but no modern GPU can max that out, I promise: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sMM323/evga-supernova-g3-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0550 Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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Zero VGS posted:Consider the Thermaltake Core V1 case, it is less than half the price, smaller overall, and super-easy to build in because 5 of the sides pop off, it's my favorite case for the money: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015UDUAKG/ Thanks, grabbed that cooler/paste and the PSU that you recommended. Any thoughts on this case: BitFenix Mini-ITX Tower Case Without Power Supply, Arctic White BFC-PRO-300-WWXKW-RP https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008BZYJ6W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8hI2AbY3XVMNM ? Finally, I’ve been out of the PC scene for a while and video cards seem crazy expensive. Should I go Nvidia? Will a GeForce 1060 work for most gaming needs? tonic fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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tonic posted:Thanks, grabbed that cooler/paste and the PSU that you recommended. That case is really big for Mitx (like 3 times the volume of the Core V1) and I had it for a bit, the hard rubber carrying handles are uncomfortable to actually carry it with if you're transporting it, and the bottom hard rubber feet can make the case slant over time. Mostly I think there's actually mATX towers smaller than that case.
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tonic posted:Finally, I’ve been out of the PC scene for a while and video cards seem crazy expensive. Should I go Nvidia? Will a GeForce 1060 work for most gaming needs? Start with your intended output resolution and go from there. 1080p/60? A 1060 6gb is great.
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here is a case size and dimension comparison chart over from reddit  While the NCase M1 is the ideal form me, i am pleasantly surprised at how similar the Define Nano S looks to be size wise, when placed next to each other. ughhhh fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Full Copper Cryorig C7: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cooling/117383-cryorig-c7-cu-full-copper-heatsink-cooler-released/ I just wish they'd stop using that non-standard fan mounting.... It'll be interesting to see how it stacks up, anyway. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Apr 22, 2018 |
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HalloKitty posted:Full Copper Cryorig C7: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cooling/117383-cryorig-c7-cu-full-copper-heatsink-cooler-released/ Could be good with a different fan, if you don't mind using zip-ties I guess  It's unfortunate Dan aborted his 48mm (height) low profile cooler project, I had high hopes for that. But apparently one of the manufacturers he was working with took over some of his research and plans to do a similar cooler eventually.
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HalloKitty posted:Full Copper Cryorig C7: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cooling/117383-cryorig-c7-cu-full-copper-heatsink-cooler-released/ loving finally... Cryorig was telling me and others in emails that it was coming out in 2017. orcane posted:It's unfortunate Dan aborted his 48mm (height) low profile cooler project, I had high hopes for that. But apparently one of the manufacturers he was working with took over some of his research and plans to do a similar cooler eventually. My NFC S4 Mini case only has 45mm of height, but the Cryorig C7 with the Cryorig CR-XTA 140mm slim fan comes out to 44mm total height and fits inside fine. I'm sure the copper will be a big help (their page is claiming 15% better performance... which is a low enough quote that I actually believe it lol)
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HalloKitty posted:Full Copper Cryorig C7: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cooling/117383-cryorig-c7-cu-full-copper-heatsink-cooler-released/ Speaking of which, what is the go-to cooler for a Dan A4 anyway? I'm assuming Cryorig C7 or Noctua L9i? Kinda really want to do a A4 build right now, but I'm not really sure how to cool a 8700k in something that small.
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Shanghaied posted:Speaking of which, what is the go-to cooler for a Dan A4 anyway? I'm assuming Cryorig C7 or Noctua L9i? Kinda really want to do a A4 build right now, but I'm not really sure how to cool a 8700k in something that small. ).You can put a different fan on top the L9i heatsink (it's tiny so you can fit a 25mm fan on it) or use a 14 or 15 mm Noctua (eg.) fan on top of a better heatsink like that of the C7 or LP53. People who run that sort of CPU also delid or undervolt. A 10-20 degree difference from delidding is huge.
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What are the best cases in terms of sound management and thermals in the vein of the node 202, which can be put vertical and are fairly slim? May end up going with the Define Nano S anyway
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I’ve always leaned toward fractal cases because I want system as quiet as possible.
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tonic posted:Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($126.98 @ Newegg) So I just put together my system and it's working great-- I had one major issue during my build though. I used the Cryorig M9 cooler and, for whatever reason, the cooler mounting plate seems to sit too close to one of the ram slots and blocks me from loading a DIMM in that spot. Anyone with this motherboard/cooler had a similar issue? I reseated the cooler completely and it didn't seem to help, so I'm not really sure what to do. Almost just considering buying a 16GB DIMM to put in the one slot and returning the 2x8GB.
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tonic posted:So I just put together my system and it's working great-- I had one major issue during my build though. I used the Cryorig M9 cooler and, for whatever reason, the cooler mounting plate seems to sit too close to one of the ram slots and blocks me from loading a DIMM in that spot.
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Yeah, it could be that I don't have it properly installed still. I'll take it off again tomorrow and make sure everything is correct. EDIT: If I can't figure it out, is there any issue with using a single DIMM over two? tonic fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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The Corsair 250D has been discontinued. Is it likely they're releasing an update? I'm a big fan of cube cases, and would like something a bit nicer than my Core v1
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Using only a single DIMM hurts performance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-channel_memory_architecture#Dual-channel_architecture http://www.streacom.com/news-item/da2-product-announcement/ Any hot takes? Shell is single piece aluminum, some sort of wacky rail system to allow a lot of flexibility.
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LRADIKAL posted:Using only a single DIMM hurts performance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-channel_memory_architecture#Dual-channel_architecture Looks like an M1
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My old Dan A4 computer was running loud and hot for years but now it runs like a dream. The v3 case has mounts for an AIO now, but it works well too just floating around behind the graphics card on the v1.      https://pcpartpicker.com/b/cP9J7P
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