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kidkissinger posted:Is this true? I assumed they would be much louder. They are loud as gently caress when the engines are running and almost completely silent when on batteries.
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Reik posted:China stealing IP is an actual issue that the administration could be dealing with instead of just random tariffs because why not. you know what the obama administration was doing about this? TPP quote:Under the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP, China would have been forced to crack down on these types of imitations, as well as bring tariffs in line with those of other countries, and strengthen its environmental regulations to be more like those of developed countries—all measures that might have made the cost of manufacturing more in the US more competitive. But the complicated, far-reaching trade deal negotiated by Barack Obama’s administration was a common punching bag of US president Donald Trump on the campaign trail, and he pulled the US out of it just three days after his inauguration. https://qz.com/1044656/trumps-china-trade-war-the-tpp-would-have-cracked-down-on-chinese-intellectual-property-theft/ there's no reason to give trump the benefit of the doubt about anything, he's an enormous blundering idiot who will single handedly cause a recession
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kidkissinger posted:Is this true? I assumed they would be much louder. When the diesel engines are running? Very much so. On battery? They're incredibly quiet. Nukes still have the pumps going on the reactor. Of course the thing with those stories is you don't hear about all of the times where a sub (or even the same sub) tries the same feat and gets caught.
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Xae posted:They are loud as gently caress when the engines are running and almost completely silent when on batteries. How does that compare to nuclear? Edit: answered
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kidkissinger posted:How does that compare to nuclear? Nuclear subs run much quieter because their engines don't make a ton of loving noise.
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Apr 6, 2018 18:14
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kidkissinger posted:How does that compare to nuclear? Nuclear has a higher baseline noise because the pumps need to run 24/7 to cool the reactor. Diesel can turn off everything and turn into a hole in the water until the juice runs out. Then they need to run some loud generators to recharge and they have to be at a certain depth to snorkel air into the system.
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Apr 6, 2018 18:15
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gently caress IP rights. If tech companies have their products stolen then it only serves them right for seeking out slave labor in poorer nations.
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kidkissinger posted:Is this true? I assumed they would be much louder. They made a documentary about it.
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Also the sub running on batteries pretty much has to be fortunate enough to be in the path of the carrier. It's not going to catch the carrier on batteries.
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Mantis42 posted:gently caress IP rights. If tech companies have their products stolen then it only serves them right for seeking out slave labor in poorer nations. That's kind of what I was getting at in my post. Like - if you are looking for slave wages - don't be surprised if there's a different cost somewhere else you're paying.
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Mantis42 posted:gently caress IP rights. If tech companies have their products stolen then it only serves them right for seeking out slave labor in poorer nations. They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers. But what's the real cost? Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got little kid slaves makin' em? What are your overheads?!
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FizFashizzle posted:Like partnership even? Pence refused to get on board with any trans legislation
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If you want a general thesis on the pluses and minuses of diesel vs nuclear subs, you'll want to see Down Periscope starring conservative criminal Kelsey Grammar. He's a criminal because he stole America's hearts and no matter how much of a conservative butthole he is he still has my heart.
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CascadeBeta posted:Never mind that the book has been translated and retranslated and altered and amended over the course of 2 millennia and was written by mortal hands originally anyway so what the gently caress. This doesn't mean that they're accurate accounts, but retranslation hasn't radically altered the contents of the books. edit: Correction, 1st and 2nd Timothy we have copies from around 350 AD, along with 2nd and 3rd John. So most we have existing copies from 300AD or earlier, but not those 4. The Gospel of John (which I think was the last Gospel written?) we have copies from as early as 125 AD. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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FizFashizzle posted:Like partnership even? this sounds far too reasonable
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Party Plane Jones posted:They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers. But what's the real cost? Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got little kid slaves makin' em? What are your overheads?! Won't someone take these knives and forks out of my leg?
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Yeah, IP theft is a real thing China and the US could be working on together. It's definitely doable. A decade ago China was a wasteland of pirated Western media and now it's the next big market. It might be a bigger issue for China than the US. If they want more companies like DJI then those businesses need their IP protected. If China isn't guarding Western IP's then it's unlikely they're doing the same for domestic industry.
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evilweasel posted:this is, theoretically, what the first $50b was aimed at The fact that TPP was built around countering China's growing expansionism and influence is one of the biggest things I still despise Trump for to date. Honestly I never thought about how it also was meant to help counter the IP theft but now that it's been pointed out it just makes me despise the piss cheetoh that much more. It's absolutely no surprise to me at all that since TPP wasn't making money directly, and was indirectly beneficial in tremendous other ways that our manchild president wasn't able to understand that and ruined the deal without even realizing how bad he was loving up. Everyone else has been playing an intricate game of chess over there. He stumbled in and thought it was checkers, and has been loving it up ever since.
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Burning_Monk posted:Won't someone take these knives and forks out of my leg? Will somebody remove these cutleries from my knees?
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khy posted:It's absolutely no surprise to me at all that since TPP wasn't making money directly, and was indirectly beneficial in tremendous other ways that our manchild president wasn't able to understand that and ruined the deal without even realizing how bad he was loving up. Everyone else has been playing an intricate game of chess over there. He stumbled in and thought it was checkers, and has been loving it up ever since. trump didn't understand TPP and he can't share the limelight. he has to make a break with prior policy so he can prove he's a big boy who can do it all himself and he's the bestest and greatest. he's gonna take government apart trying to 'fix' it and then, when it's all in pieces on the floor, declare it to be impossible and let someone else clean up the mess
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Party Plane Jones posted:They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers. But what's the real cost? Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got little kid slaves makin' em? What are your overheads?! Dividends for shareholders and baller parties for execs
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khy posted:The fact that TPP was built around countering China's growing expansionism and influence is one of the biggest things I still despise Trump for to date. Honestly I never thought about how it also was meant to help counter the IP theft but now that it's been pointed out it just makes me despise the piss cheetoh that much more. I mean, lots of people tried to explain to the howling masses what TPP really was, but it got lost in the dumb ALL FREE TRADE DEALS ARE BAD FREE TRADE DEALS populist nonsense.
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khy posted:The fact that TPP was built around countering China's growing expansionism and influence is one of the biggest things I still despise Trump for to date. Honestly I never thought about how it also was meant to help counter the IP theft but now that it's been pointed out it just makes me despise the piss cheetoh that much more. He fully understands, this is just what his oligarch handlers want so he's being a good boy
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Mantis42 posted:gently caress IP rights. If tech companies have their products stolen then it only serves them right for seeking out slave labor in poorer nations. Again, it's not just a matter of "slave labor". It's that China doesn't open its markets to you to allow you to sell to the giant Chinese market without you registering your IP with the government, and amazingly, a few years after submitting all of your documents showing all of your IP to the government so that you can sell your tech in China, suddenly there are a bunch of companies in China that have your tech and are underselling you. And they're underselling you in part because Chinese companies have absolutely no qualms in leveraging their own slave labor, and they don't need to recoup their costs in developing the tech. And that doesn't cover the cases where a Chinese backed company offers to take over a failing US tech company, looks at all the IP in the discovery phase, then backs away from the merger while now having a copy of all the IP.
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Tatsuta Age posted:He fully understands, this is just what his oligarch handlers want so he's being a good boy I don't know if he does. Like, dude is pretty dim sometimes, see: Amazon.
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Party Plane Jones posted:They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers. But what's the real cost? Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got little kid slaves makin' em? What are your overheads?! Marketing broke society.
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In more than a few manufacturing sectors outsourcing to China is simply cheaper in the short term than upgrading their equipment. Of course upgrading the equipment tends to reduce workforce too. Hell even for most of the manufacturing stuff out there labor isn't a major cost driver, at least not for the final steps.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:If you want a general thesis on the pluses and minuses of diesel vs nuclear subs, you'll want to see Down Periscope starring conservative criminal Kelsey Grammar. Kelsey Grammar was Frasier and he fought the network/studios to get Girlfriends greenlit. He gets a pass. A light pass, but still a pass.
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Burning_Monk posted:Won't someone take these knives and forks out of my leg? Will somebody please relieve these companies of IP's FE: dammit PPJ
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I am sure threat of death is motivating but the fact the US, England, Japan and Germany all were able to invent and then implement whole brand new major weapons concepts makes it seem like maybe that is just a thing that is possible to do and it's more that the modern US's difficulties with it are the aberration and not the norm. A lot of those weapon systems didn't work so well, or at all. Even the "successful" ones had massive glaring design flaws (the B29 was seconds away from catastrophic engine failure on every takeoff) but everyone involved just accepted that a bunch of uniformed folks dying was preferable to waiting a few months or years to get the tech right for deployment.
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Koalas March posted:Kelsey Grammar was Frasier and he fought the network/studios to get Girlfriends greenlit. He gets a pass. A light pass, but still a pass. Sideshow Bob too
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Tatsuta Age posted:He fully understands, this is just what his oligarch handlers want so he's being a good boy haha no, there's nobody in charge. not even trump controls trump. you wish someone was orchestrating events, in reality we're all in a giant oldsmobile and sleepy grandpa is behind the wheel
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khy posted:I hate to agree with President Bone Spur, but the truth is that they have done all kinds of incredibly horrible and sketchy things to steal technology (Mainly in the consumer tech field where they require copies of trademarked information to allow production or sales within China). Huawei is pretty much built entirely upon tech stolen from US companies. And then they go further to make all kinds of horrifying backdoors in their tech, spyware and other shady programs built in, the purpose of which is to give unfettered access to sensitive networks to the government. So yeah, gently caress China entirely. It's more complicated than that, in my opinion. Here's a good article illustrating the fact that China's strategy is nothing new: https://stratechery.com/2015/xiaomis-ambition/ quote:In China, as in much of Asia, inventions and even pure acts of creation were thought to belong to the community; visit any Chinese museum and you can calculate the value of a scroll or painting by the number of seals applied by important people showing their appreciation. It doesn't excuse their behavior, of course, but it's not particularly unique.
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Xae posted:Marketing broke society. You're not wrong, but you're responding to a Flight of the Conchords quote
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Party Plane Jones posted:They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers. But what's the real cost? Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got little kid slaves makin' em? What are your overheads?! What is wrong with the world today?
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Is twitter down? I'm not getting new posts and I'm getting withdrawls.
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khy posted:The fact that TPP was built around countering China's growing expansionism and influence is one of the biggest things I still despise Trump for to date. Honestly I never thought about how it also was meant to help counter the IP theft but now that it's been pointed out it just makes me despise the piss cheetoh that much more. yeah but as people pointed out, not bothering to read the details of the agreement or understand the broader geopolitical ramifications was by no means limited to trump and had fervent supporters on the left but even putting that aside, he first pissed everyone off with the steel nonsense right before doing this, burning a lot of bridges
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mango sentinel posted:China isn't interested in n global force projection. They just want to control their own hemisphere. They don't need aircraft carriers to do the force projection for that, they just need to build artificial islands with missile platforms that threaten US carriers outside of retaliatory range. This literally makes no sense unless you believe the US magically cannot bomb static islands to pieces for reasons. If a country with sufficient capacity wanted to remove those islands as a threat, they could, especially if they already have the capacity to project forces far enough to where those islands are suddenly a danger to its navy. China can put anti-ship missiles on all their artificial islands, and we can hem and haw about their effectiveness in hypotheticals all we want. But we've spent decades using pretty much every aspect of our military strength to remove static targets from an equation. That strength also includes submarines. If war broke out between the US and China, you'd be foolish to think that the US military, despite being lead by an utter loving moron, would not have plans to counter or at least mitigate the threat those islands represent.
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Koalas March posted:Kelsey Grammar was Frasier and he fought the network/studios to get Girlfriends greenlit. He gets a pass. A light pass, but still a pass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcC6Qkxh-_E
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